Transfer Rumblings
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@FarmerJayhawk nah take a scorer and teach him D
Bill would have a title doing it that way
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@kuballin10 you can say that all you want but Max Abmas will always be a sieve. Ditto Knecht, Denver Jones, Timberlake. At some point the physical tools are so limiting all the scheme and technique in the world won’t do it. Short dudes without any length who can’t move at an elite level won’t be good on defense.
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Ace, Bamba and Dickinson are none of the names you listed above
You are creating a straw argument that I want some low d1 guys to make a leap which isn’t what I’m asking
I want DUDES - you win with legit DUDES
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@kuballin10 no you literally said scorers. The guys I mentioned are the best pure scorers in the portal. If you mean best players just say so and don’t change your words on the fly then accuse someone of misreading you. Pro tip
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@FarmerJayhawk fair enough best players who can score my bad
I don’t want defensive McCullar types - give me an athletic scorer who you can teach to defend (much easier than teaching a defender to score).
Best players is who those guys end up being. I want of those best players offensive guys who can score not Hart types (MD dude)
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Not always easy to convert scorers to defenders. Guys like MJ scoring a bunch in HS, and not good accepting being a 6 min or less guy until they follow the D script.
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@FarmerJayhawk I’d add my assumption is that best scorers translated to best players available because while some guys are legit scorers like Timberlake they don’t have the physical tools like you mentioned
Scorers in my mind means best players and that’s my fault for not differing the two
Yeah abmas can score but do I think he’s a good fit - not defensively. He isn’t built like a Kendric Davis type or Frank mason and thicker
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@mayjay that’s a really poor example considering clearly didn’t care to be here
Would you want a remy or a Juan I think is a good argument
Do you want Brandon rush or releford Chalmers or Russ rob
Scorers who can flip a switch and defend vs guys who are known as “defense is the strong suit of their game” but can’t score
In the tourney you gotta make shots and that’s something we struggled to do
Give me a scorer like Och or Braun over Mccullar
Feel free to throw out other examples I’m Sure mine ain’t perfect
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Antoine Davis vs Kevin McCullar Darius McGhee vs Juan Max Abmas vs Marcus Garrett
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@FarmerJayhawk lol they don’t even play the same position
Pull a 6-5 - 6-7 scorer who’s a 3 like Kev
But if you are asking having a 20 ppg guy next to Juan to pair with Jalen and Gradey would have been salty
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@FarmerJayhawk you pulling all low level d1 guys
Care to throw any power 5 guys out as comparisons?
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@kuballin10 you listed G5 guys so I figured they were game. Give me Garrett over Vick any day of the week and twice on Sundays
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@FarmerJayhawk Frank or Devonte vs Garrett more accurate
Hinrich vs Aaron miles Russ rob vs a sherron type
Even a serious question……Bill builds a roster defensively first and he would have a way better final 4 record if he flipped that on its head and used his stubbornness to say he can make any guy play good d. Or he can take 5 best players who are known more for scoring and can mold them into a defensive group
Heck look at Wright’s nova teams those guys could all shoot it and made Self’s wet dream with Garrett and Dok get ran out of the building
Offense wins in college bball. D can carry you to a lot of W’s but more often than not it’s the O in this 4 out style
Think nfl as well….best and consistent teams like chiefs are offensive juggernauts
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@kuballin10 2018 Nova vs KU is a horrible example lol. That team was a juggernaut on offense that didn’t guard nearly as well as Bill wanted and Doke was on one leg. Garrett didn’t even start.
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@FarmerJayhawk straw argument for sure but man those names read well if you didn’t bother to look it up lol
Svi shutting down Bagley was the coolest thing that entire tourney and oh Malik’s hot hand wasn’t too bad
Point is Self’s philosophy of prioritizing defenders over the best player who can score but maybe not play as good or D of a guy like Hart is why he falls short.
He values things that win plenty but don’t get you over the hump as often.
If he needs a consultant let him know first hour session is free and I’d make him question his roster building philosophy in just 1 meeting
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@FarmerJayhawk fyi Bill didn’t run them off the line go back and watch the tape he was still worried about giving up layups like a goob meanwhile Nova just kept playing as if a wide open shot whether from 10 feet or 25 didn’t matter cause they all were confident in their stroke
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@kuballin10 yeah it’s a horrible example exactly because it makes the opposite point you’re trying to make. That team was top 5 on offense, barely top 50 in defense. Seems like better defenders would’ve really helped our cause.
The teams that win it all do both at a very high level. Shoot, the 2020 team who allegedly didn’t have any offense was top 10 in offensive efficiency. Top 20 in both last year, top in the country in 08. Nobody here is saying just go get the best defensive players you can. That straw man died a long time ago from repeated blows to the dome. You’ve gotta have a team that can guard and make shots. UConn could do both.
Just quickly I looked at the offensive and defensive numbers for national champs over the last 10 years. Average on defense: 10.1, offense: 7.6. No defense below 21, but offense had higher variance. Have to do both.
Which, not bad for having the highest win% and the most titles of anyone going right now. I’m sure message board geniuses would beat him heads up 7/10 times.
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Harrison Ingram was 88th percentile in spot up jumpers
Also he’s an incredible locker room guy and has a phenomenal work ethic. Checks a lot of boxes for me as a 4.
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@FarmerJayhawk wdym when searching for players I simply sort on torvik starting at 36% from three (minimal acceptable level), 100 attempts and go from there. Self better be doing the same!
lol
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I recall an interview when Bill was asked about what he values in a recruit.
He clearly said that he values Offense when recruiting and on D he said that he can teach them how to guard.
But you cant teach them to score.
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Perry Ellis…did he ever learn how to defend outside 12 feet?
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@AsadZ post that interview if you can find it would like to watch it
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@FarmerJayhawk That’s true that team that got drilled by nova with svi, Graham, Malik and vick couldn’t guard like last year team
You do have to have both
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I dunno he was 57 his last year here
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Harrison Ingram was 88th percentile in spot up jumpers
Also he’s an incredible locker room guy and has a phenomenal work ethic. Checks a lot of boxes for me as a 4.
Is he back in play now?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Harrison Ingram was 88th percentile in spot up jumpers
Also he’s an incredible locker room guy and has a phenomenal work ethic. Checks a lot of boxes for me as a 4.
Hmm, seen plenty of highlights where he’s hitting shots but the form isn’t great and takes time. When reading about how UConn put together their roster they took Calcaterra because he was 95th percentile in spot up jumpers but you watch him shoot and you could see why, smooth, good form, confident. You don’t see the same correlation with Ingram shooting the ball.
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Trying to get the name (imagine @FarmerJayhawk is as well) but word is we are trying to get an absolute stud guard to portal.
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Any guesses?
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Cryer says KU has reached out among a million others.
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Latest on Hunter. Bill is doing this one personally. KU Nova Maryland the top group
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@FarmerJayhawk Farmer bringing the heat!!!
Come on @BShark leverage those connections and confirm that stud guard!!!
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@BeddieKU23 Dude can shoot it very solid alongside Juan
Can he defend though - Baylor’s d was atrocious!
@FarmerJayhawk thoughts on his D? @BShark
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@BeddieKU23 I’m team no Ingram for sure……not great athlete, slow lateral movements like Gradey and his shot is broke
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Latest on Hunter. Bill is doing this one personally. KU Nova Maryland the top group
Maryland doesn’t think they are in it fwiw
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I’m curious why we haven’t reached out to Ace……guard who is a lefty, can shoot it, score it and defensive player of the year in aac
Oh and averaged 4-5 apg
He and Juan would be nasty
Throw in cryer and Hunter and we may be small 1-3/4 but got a big down low
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@BShark I’d read uk and gtown I thought
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark I’d read uk and gtown I thought
Farmer is right, only Maryland is likely out now. There is a growing belief about Hunter at KU.
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Don’t make me faint today!
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@BShark if we lose him to nova without Jwright…Bill might as well retire
We are the fit for Hunter. 7-1 big with post moves and can shoot the 3……
There’s a reason he’s taking the lead on this one
When’s Cuffe transferring we need 4 guys from the portal so we can go
Hunter Cg Cg Big wing
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@approxinfinity I’ve looked it up more think you’d mentioned Hunter was a turd
Appears you are right. I hope we get him and he pulls a Kelce and matures. He has had his fair share of mis “steps” but I still want him
Best player available
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@kuballin10 because he’s going to Penn State. To add some context, some guys who know where they’re going have a no contact flag in the database. So if you see a guy without firm contacts that’s probably the reason.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
@kuballin10 because he’s going to Penn State
This. Don’t waste time on guys that are going to go elsewhere. Obviously you ask and find out fast.
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@FarmerJayhawk why lol to not even make the tourney next year?
His bro like the coach or something lol
KU calls and he wouldn’t even listen because the basketball powerhouse nittany lions are his spot
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@BShark I’ll drop Ace - won’t hear another word from me on him. First I’ve been told he’s going elsewhere by farmer been dropping his name a lot lately and you guys responded
If we don’t have a chance so be it but being Ku and king Bill right now the recruit should always pickup and listen I’d guess
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@FarmerJayhawk why lol to not even make the tourney next year?
His bro like the coach or something lol
KU calls and he wouldn’t even listen because the basketball powerhouse nittany lions are his spot
Relationships matter. His coach at VCU moved to Penn State.
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@BShark agh gotcha similar to the sec guard mentioned
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Ingram buzz buzz
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Ingram buzz buzz
Slater ain’t backing down and Shaw made a pick for KU. Heatin’ up.
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Dam is this what we REALLY want ? I dunno just seems like there has to be a better option. - - with him to me seems like we would be grabbing people just to be grabbing people. But what do I know ,I guess if Coach wants him - -gotta be a reason
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I like Ingram a ton. He has a skillset you can work with. Good passer. Can post up. Shoots it well enough you have to guard him. Handles the ball very well for a guy his size. Not a world-class athlete, but not a slouch.
I’d be very happy with that one.
I do not want Spencer Jones personally. I would get it, but not a fan.
