Transfer Rumblings
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@kuballin10 Juan Morris Timberlake Pullin
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Bill, Kurtis and Brady are at the combine. Definitely just to support Jalen Wilson and not for behind the scenes recruiting. Nothing to see here.
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@FarmerJayhawk ooofffff not sure on that one
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@kuballin10 might be our best 5 if everyone stays in the draft tbh
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McCullar is mocking in the second round now. - didn’t think he wanted to come back, but if that’s the feedback he’s getting he’s long gone.
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@FarmerJayhawk You are the king of a high scoring guard with good 3% from a small school can’t translate to big 12 or defend.
Curious your thoughts on Pullin?
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I still can’t rule out Kaluma at this point either. Unless he is just done with college there are some good tea leaves for us.
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There’s not a world where we end up with love, right?
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@kuballin10 right, I don’t think a lot of high volume scorer traits translate up. Like Timberlake is a fringe starter or solid bench piece here IMO. I like Pullin better than Timberlake because he can just do more and has upside as a shooter. He’s a very good passer and is really crafty scoring it with his size and ball handling ability. He’s such a low volume three point shooter it’s hard to say how exactly it’ll translate but with his skills the mid 30’s are fine. He was in the 80something percentile in spot up shooting % so he can do it, just idk exactly how consistent it’ll be. He won’t be a particularly good defender. He’s a below the rim athlete for sure. But overall I like him as a connector and a dude who can occasionally get you a bucket off the bounce when the the offense stagnates. He shoots it well enough to where you can’t leave him open to double Hunter.
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@benshawks08 oh lord no
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@FarmerJayhawk bigs of Braun, Hunter and KJ won’t cut it. One injury and we are in trouble.
I’d rather get draft dropout wing and another backup big
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@kuballin10 they’re definitely trying for both but it’s tough to find a dude who’s willing to play 8 minutes a game for the next two years and is good.
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Kaluma solves a lot for us imo
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@BShark Him or Nelson really, really change the way I would look at this roster. Like a FF or bust type of roster if they can land another 4/5 type who can shoot it a bit.
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I think we are okay pending on whom stays in the draft with 2 Scholarships left. Braun will just be a guy that gets beat to crap in practice and likely won’t see the floor outside of mop up duty and major foul issues.
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Kaluma was pretty bad at the combine
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@rcjhdraft ditto Nelson. He tested well but it definitely didn’t translate. He was playing in the last scrimmage which must mean he doesn’t have a promise
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@FarmerJayhawk sounds like a Bill Self project
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@approxinfinity bless up
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Love that Arizona is taking Keshad Johnson. They are full now.
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
Love that Arizona is taking Keshad Johnson. They are full now.
Nelson or Kaluma - who you taking if you only get 1
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Kaluma. Not too sold on Grant at the 4 at the P5 level.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
Love that Arizona is taking Keshad Johnson. They are full now.
Nelson or Kaluma - who you taking if you only get 1
KU needs a starting caliber wing much more than a back up 5. If KU is going into the season with Timberlake as the starting 3, that’s not ideal as Timberlake us much more suited as a bench player for KU.
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@BShark 6-11 with his measurables - he’s a 4 and we dominate the glass while dominating the paint. I want him more.
@Texas-Hawk-10 He’s a 4 here
I want both
Juan Morris Kaluma Nelson Hunter
Elmarko Kj Timberlake Marcus
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark 6-11 with his measurables - he’s a 4 and we dominate the glass while dominating the paint. I want him more.
@Texas-Hawk-10 He’s a 4 here
I want both
Juan Morris Kaluma Nelson Hunter
Elmarko Kj Timberlake Marcus
I don’t think Nelson is athletic enough to guard 4’s in the Big 12.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 fair point and you may be right
Maybe Kaluma is the better fit
Think he’s better than unproven mgbako?
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 fair point and you may be right
Maybe Kaluma is the better fit
Think he’s better than unproven mgbako?
Yes in that KU would likely get 2 years out of Kaluma who can play the 3 as well and is proven in a power conference having played in the Big East whereas Mgbako was likely a OAD player.
If we’re talking ceiling and pure ability, then Mgbako is much better than Kaluma because Mgbako is a possible 2024 lottery pick.
Unless McCullar returns, I would absolutely take Kaluma and Nelson and be happy with that.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 in what way? Clearly agile enough to do it. Long enough to do it.
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Kaluma makes a lot of sense. He also played next to a 7 footer and displayed good passing skills so he’s familiar with fitting next to a scoring dominate big. He fits seamlessly as a secondary/3rd type scorer since he’s not efficient from the field. More importantly he fills a major need with size and athleticism we desperately need at the 4. This can also ensure we don’t need to use a freshman beyond Elmarko in a big role. Adams is certainly a tantalizing talent but I feel as though he’s gonna be slow to adjust. This is also gives KU the ability to go small if the matchup dictates or foul trouble occurs since you can play both KJ and Kaluma together, they will be athletic enough to get by. Kaluma rebounded well, 6 per game playing next to a giant so he fills a rebounding need as well. I’ve been patiently hoping this would be the guy we’d get at the 4
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@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 in what way? Clearly agile enough to do it. Long enough to do it.
Grant was an average defender in the Summit League for 3 years and we expect him to suddenly be able to guard well against Big 12 caliber 4’s? I don’t see that happening.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 in what way? Clearly agile enough to do it. Long enough to do it.
Grant was an average defender in the Summit League for 3 years and we expect him to suddenly be able to guard well against Big 12 caliber 4’s? I don’t see that happening.
I don’t think he’s going to be the best defender in the world. But yea I think he could do a good enough job that the trade off for his offensive abilities would be worth it.
Especially if you’ve got a rim protector behind him like Dickinson to bail him out when he gets beat.
He’s shown he has the agility to defend. I have questions of effort, but if he was a Hawk Bill wouldn’t let him slack on D.
Fully prepared to agree to disagree on this.
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Kaluma is a huge get. Would certainly fit a need.
Nelson, imo, offers you more. He’s a total mismatch on offense no matter what. You’d be betting that he is athletic enough to guard some smaller players. BUT you have KJ as well if push comes to shove and you need to matchup better.
Kaluma isn’t nearly the mismatch of Nelson.
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The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
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@BeddieKU23 Kaluma is a great passer with their 7 footer that is true.
Also, Nelson plays on the perimeter so he and Hunter would work well
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@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
My thought is Nelson May actually be a better fit if you’re willing to switch to a sort of hi-lo offense. Considering Nelson and Dickinson can shoot that top of the key shot they’re basically interchangeable. But this way you allow KJ to play a more natural spot on the block vs asking him to play the “wing.” I don’t find Kaluma to be a big really, so he has to play as a perimeter player.
Idk, either way a good problem to have…
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Something to lighten/brighten your Saturday Afternoon. Quote from K/State poster. Laugh of the Month
Says - Hunter Dickinson will be a flop at best lol, - -Oh I needed that, that was funny - Tell Hunter that. see how that statement turns out.
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@jayballer67 I’m not mentally prepared to root for Dickinson yet. Still waiting for it to feel better…
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@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 I’m not mentally prepared to root for Dickinson yet. Still waiting for it to feel better…
@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 I’m not mentally prepared to root for Dickinson yet. Still waiting for it to feel better…
lmao , ok - - you just rest, relax it will be ok, breathe in - -breathe out - -breathe in - -breathe out lol
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@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
My thought is Nelson May actually be a better fit if you’re willing to switch to a sort of hi-lo offense. Considering Nelson and Dickinson can shoot that top of the key shot they’re basically interchangeable. But this way you allow KJ to play a more natural spot on the block vs asking him to play the “wing.” I don’t find Kaluma to be a big really, so he has to play as a perimeter player.
Idk, either way a good problem to have…
Grant Nelson has progressively gotten worse each season with his 3 point shooting. He was at 27% last season. If he comes here, considering what historically happens to players shooting numbers when they move from low majors to P5 schools, I would expect that number to be south of 25% at KU. I don’t want to see Grant Nelson shoot 3’s in a Kansas uniform because he sucks at it. This is another reason why he is better suited as Dickinson’s back up rather than starting 4.
Kaluma was 31% last year and improved from his freshman season in that area, not regressed like Nelson. If you’re wanting to see some hi-low next season, Kaluma is better option there because teams at least have to respect his shot, unlike Nelson. Nelson and Dickinson are not totally interchangeable pieces on offense because there’s no reason to respect Grant Nelson’s shooting abilities on the perimeter.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
My thought is Nelson May actually be a better fit if you’re willing to switch to a sort of hi-lo offense. Considering Nelson and Dickinson can shoot that top of the key shot they’re basically interchangeable. But this way you allow KJ to play a more natural spot on the block vs asking him to play the “wing.” I don’t find Kaluma to be a big really, so he has to play as a perimeter player.
Idk, either way a good problem to have…
Grant Nelson has progressively gotten worse each season with his 3 point shooting. He was at 27% last season. If he comes here, considering what historically happens to players shooting numbers when they move from low majors to P5 schools, I would expect that number to be south of 25% at KU. I don’t want to see Grant Nelson shoot 3’s in a Kansas uniform because he sucks at it. This is another reason why he is better suited as Dickinson’s back up rather than starting 4.
Kaluma was 31% last year and improved from his freshman season in that area, not regressed like Nelson. If you’re wanting to see some hi-low next season, Kaluma is better option there because teams at least have to respect his shot, unlike Nelson. Nelson and Dickinson are not totally interchangeable pieces on offense because there’s no reason to respect Grant Nelson’s shooting abilities on the perimeter.
Agreed, Nelson is the definition of a fake spacer. That being said honestly I don’t think either of them will get respected behind the ark
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@rcjhdraft said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
My thought is Nelson May actually be a better fit if you’re willing to switch to a sort of hi-lo offense. Considering Nelson and Dickinson can shoot that top of the key shot they’re basically interchangeable. But this way you allow KJ to play a more natural spot on the block vs asking him to play the “wing.” I don’t find Kaluma to be a big really, so he has to play as a perimeter player.
Idk, either way a good problem to have…
Grant Nelson has progressively gotten worse each season with his 3 point shooting. He was at 27% last season. If he comes here, considering what historically happens to players shooting numbers when they move from low majors to P5 schools, I would expect that number to be south of 25% at KU. I don’t want to see Grant Nelson shoot 3’s in a Kansas uniform because he sucks at it. This is another reason why he is better suited as Dickinson’s back up rather than starting 4.
Kaluma was 31% last year and improved from his freshman season in that area, not regressed like Nelson. If you’re wanting to see some hi-low next season, Kaluma is better option there because teams at least have to respect his shot, unlike Nelson. Nelson and Dickinson are not totally interchangeable pieces on offense because there’s no reason to respect Grant Nelson’s shooting abilities on the perimeter.
Agreed, Nelson is the definition of a fake spacer. That being said honestly I don’t think either of them will get respected behind the ark
Kaluma won’t be respected the way Dickinson or Timberlake will on the perimeter, but Kaluma’s good enough that you can’t ignore him out either the way teams will for Nelson.
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Kaluma is the better roster fit for this KU team.
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@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 I’m not mentally prepared to root for Dickinson yet. Still waiting for it to feel better…
Same
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Do we think Kaluma will come back to school?
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Who knows. I just looked at a half dozen mock drafts, and didn’t see his name once.
Has he mentioned Kansas? Why do we think we have a shot if he returns?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 sure this makes sense if you assume Nelson will shoot 25%. But that’s not really a great projection. He won’t shoot that poorly in an offense where he isn’t THE best player. Not to mention his ft% projects that he’d be a similar threat from dee to Kaluma. Finally, his shooting form looks better to me than Kaluma’s.
I don’t think you can or should assume a 25% deep ball from Grant.
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@BeddieKU23 I have to imagine he does. Not good enough to not come back imo. Unless he’s ready to play overseas
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I want to reiterate that I’d be fine with either. I have a strong preference for a guy with Nelson’s upside to Kaluma. But Kaluma is not a scrub and certainly would make the roster significantly better
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@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 sure this makes sense if you assume Nelson will shoot 25%. But that’s not really a great projection. He won’t shoot that poorly in an offense where he isn’t THE best player. Not to mention his ft% projects that he’d be a similar threat from dee to Kaluma. Finally, his shooting form looks better to me than Kaluma’s.
I don’t think you can or should assume a 25% deep ball from Grant.
I may not assume it, but I will predict it based on his numbers and history. His number of 3 point attempts did not significantly increase last season from 2 years ago, 87 as a sophomore to 93 as a junior. It is also very rare to see a player go from a low major league like the Summit League to a P5 league like the Big 12 and increase your shooting numbers because of the quality of competition. So history does not suggest Grant Nelson would increase his 3 point shooting position by moving from North Dakota St. to a school like Kansas.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 sure this makes sense if you assume Nelson will shoot 25%. But that’s not really a great projection. He won’t shoot that poorly in an offense where he isn’t THE best player. Not to mention his ft% projects that he’d be a similar threat from dee to Kaluma. Finally, his shooting form looks better to me than Kaluma’s.
I don’t think you can or should assume a 25% deep ball from Grant.
His form is solid and I watched him hit 2 at the combine. He’d be great here and matchup well with filipowski from Duke. Kaluma would also be a stud….either I’ll take whichever Bill prefers
