Transfer Rumblings
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Love that Arizona is taking Keshad Johnson. They are full now.
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
Love that Arizona is taking Keshad Johnson. They are full now.
Nelson or Kaluma - who you taking if you only get 1
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Kaluma. Not too sold on Grant at the 4 at the P5 level.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
Love that Arizona is taking Keshad Johnson. They are full now.
Nelson or Kaluma - who you taking if you only get 1
KU needs a starting caliber wing much more than a back up 5. If KU is going into the season with Timberlake as the starting 3, that’s not ideal as Timberlake us much more suited as a bench player for KU.
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@BShark 6-11 with his measurables - he’s a 4 and we dominate the glass while dominating the paint. I want him more.
@Texas-Hawk-10 He’s a 4 here
I want both
Juan Morris Kaluma Nelson Hunter
Elmarko Kj Timberlake Marcus
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark 6-11 with his measurables - he’s a 4 and we dominate the glass while dominating the paint. I want him more.
@Texas-Hawk-10 He’s a 4 here
I want both
Juan Morris Kaluma Nelson Hunter
Elmarko Kj Timberlake Marcus
I don’t think Nelson is athletic enough to guard 4’s in the Big 12.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 fair point and you may be right
Maybe Kaluma is the better fit
Think he’s better than unproven mgbako?
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 fair point and you may be right
Maybe Kaluma is the better fit
Think he’s better than unproven mgbako?
Yes in that KU would likely get 2 years out of Kaluma who can play the 3 as well and is proven in a power conference having played in the Big East whereas Mgbako was likely a OAD player.
If we’re talking ceiling and pure ability, then Mgbako is much better than Kaluma because Mgbako is a possible 2024 lottery pick.
Unless McCullar returns, I would absolutely take Kaluma and Nelson and be happy with that.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 in what way? Clearly agile enough to do it. Long enough to do it.
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Kaluma makes a lot of sense. He also played next to a 7 footer and displayed good passing skills so he’s familiar with fitting next to a scoring dominate big. He fits seamlessly as a secondary/3rd type scorer since he’s not efficient from the field. More importantly he fills a major need with size and athleticism we desperately need at the 4. This can also ensure we don’t need to use a freshman beyond Elmarko in a big role. Adams is certainly a tantalizing talent but I feel as though he’s gonna be slow to adjust. This is also gives KU the ability to go small if the matchup dictates or foul trouble occurs since you can play both KJ and Kaluma together, they will be athletic enough to get by. Kaluma rebounded well, 6 per game playing next to a giant so he fills a rebounding need as well. I’ve been patiently hoping this would be the guy we’d get at the 4
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@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 in what way? Clearly agile enough to do it. Long enough to do it.
Grant was an average defender in the Summit League for 3 years and we expect him to suddenly be able to guard well against Big 12 caliber 4’s? I don’t see that happening.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 in what way? Clearly agile enough to do it. Long enough to do it.
Grant was an average defender in the Summit League for 3 years and we expect him to suddenly be able to guard well against Big 12 caliber 4’s? I don’t see that happening.
I don’t think he’s going to be the best defender in the world. But yea I think he could do a good enough job that the trade off for his offensive abilities would be worth it.
Especially if you’ve got a rim protector behind him like Dickinson to bail him out when he gets beat.
He’s shown he has the agility to defend. I have questions of effort, but if he was a Hawk Bill wouldn’t let him slack on D.
Fully prepared to agree to disagree on this.
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Kaluma is a huge get. Would certainly fit a need.
Nelson, imo, offers you more. He’s a total mismatch on offense no matter what. You’d be betting that he is athletic enough to guard some smaller players. BUT you have KJ as well if push comes to shove and you need to matchup better.
Kaluma isn’t nearly the mismatch of Nelson.
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The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
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@BeddieKU23 Kaluma is a great passer with their 7 footer that is true.
Also, Nelson plays on the perimeter so he and Hunter would work well
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@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
My thought is Nelson May actually be a better fit if you’re willing to switch to a sort of hi-lo offense. Considering Nelson and Dickinson can shoot that top of the key shot they’re basically interchangeable. But this way you allow KJ to play a more natural spot on the block vs asking him to play the “wing.” I don’t find Kaluma to be a big really, so he has to play as a perimeter player.
Idk, either way a good problem to have…
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Something to lighten/brighten your Saturday Afternoon. Quote from K/State poster. Laugh of the Month
Says - Hunter Dickinson will be a flop at best lol, - -Oh I needed that, that was funny - Tell Hunter that. see how that statement turns out.
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@jayballer67 I’m not mentally prepared to root for Dickinson yet. Still waiting for it to feel better…
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@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 I’m not mentally prepared to root for Dickinson yet. Still waiting for it to feel better…
@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 I’m not mentally prepared to root for Dickinson yet. Still waiting for it to feel better…
lmao , ok - - you just rest, relax it will be ok, breathe in - -breathe out - -breathe in - -breathe out lol
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@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
My thought is Nelson May actually be a better fit if you’re willing to switch to a sort of hi-lo offense. Considering Nelson and Dickinson can shoot that top of the key shot they’re basically interchangeable. But this way you allow KJ to play a more natural spot on the block vs asking him to play the “wing.” I don’t find Kaluma to be a big really, so he has to play as a perimeter player.
Idk, either way a good problem to have…
Grant Nelson has progressively gotten worse each season with his 3 point shooting. He was at 27% last season. If he comes here, considering what historically happens to players shooting numbers when they move from low majors to P5 schools, I would expect that number to be south of 25% at KU. I don’t want to see Grant Nelson shoot 3’s in a Kansas uniform because he sucks at it. This is another reason why he is better suited as Dickinson’s back up rather than starting 4.
Kaluma was 31% last year and improved from his freshman season in that area, not regressed like Nelson. If you’re wanting to see some hi-low next season, Kaluma is better option there because teams at least have to respect his shot, unlike Nelson. Nelson and Dickinson are not totally interchangeable pieces on offense because there’s no reason to respect Grant Nelson’s shooting abilities on the perimeter.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
My thought is Nelson May actually be a better fit if you’re willing to switch to a sort of hi-lo offense. Considering Nelson and Dickinson can shoot that top of the key shot they’re basically interchangeable. But this way you allow KJ to play a more natural spot on the block vs asking him to play the “wing.” I don’t find Kaluma to be a big really, so he has to play as a perimeter player.
Idk, either way a good problem to have…
Grant Nelson has progressively gotten worse each season with his 3 point shooting. He was at 27% last season. If he comes here, considering what historically happens to players shooting numbers when they move from low majors to P5 schools, I would expect that number to be south of 25% at KU. I don’t want to see Grant Nelson shoot 3’s in a Kansas uniform because he sucks at it. This is another reason why he is better suited as Dickinson’s back up rather than starting 4.
Kaluma was 31% last year and improved from his freshman season in that area, not regressed like Nelson. If you’re wanting to see some hi-low next season, Kaluma is better option there because teams at least have to respect his shot, unlike Nelson. Nelson and Dickinson are not totally interchangeable pieces on offense because there’s no reason to respect Grant Nelson’s shooting abilities on the perimeter.
Agreed, Nelson is the definition of a fake spacer. That being said honestly I don’t think either of them will get respected behind the ark
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@rcjhdraft said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
The issue I potentially see with Nelson is fit on offense next to Dickinson. Can you really run your offense through two guys who want the ball down low. Just feel like Kaluma offers better fit for how the offense would flow. Nelson is definitely the better offensive player and offers even more size. You could play him at the 5 as well in situations. Interesting problem to potentially have
My thought is Nelson May actually be a better fit if you’re willing to switch to a sort of hi-lo offense. Considering Nelson and Dickinson can shoot that top of the key shot they’re basically interchangeable. But this way you allow KJ to play a more natural spot on the block vs asking him to play the “wing.” I don’t find Kaluma to be a big really, so he has to play as a perimeter player.
Idk, either way a good problem to have…
Grant Nelson has progressively gotten worse each season with his 3 point shooting. He was at 27% last season. If he comes here, considering what historically happens to players shooting numbers when they move from low majors to P5 schools, I would expect that number to be south of 25% at KU. I don’t want to see Grant Nelson shoot 3’s in a Kansas uniform because he sucks at it. This is another reason why he is better suited as Dickinson’s back up rather than starting 4.
Kaluma was 31% last year and improved from his freshman season in that area, not regressed like Nelson. If you’re wanting to see some hi-low next season, Kaluma is better option there because teams at least have to respect his shot, unlike Nelson. Nelson and Dickinson are not totally interchangeable pieces on offense because there’s no reason to respect Grant Nelson’s shooting abilities on the perimeter.
Agreed, Nelson is the definition of a fake spacer. That being said honestly I don’t think either of them will get respected behind the ark
Kaluma won’t be respected the way Dickinson or Timberlake will on the perimeter, but Kaluma’s good enough that you can’t ignore him out either the way teams will for Nelson.
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Kaluma is the better roster fit for this KU team.
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@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 I’m not mentally prepared to root for Dickinson yet. Still waiting for it to feel better…
Same
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Do we think Kaluma will come back to school?
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Who knows. I just looked at a half dozen mock drafts, and didn’t see his name once.
Has he mentioned Kansas? Why do we think we have a shot if he returns?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 sure this makes sense if you assume Nelson will shoot 25%. But that’s not really a great projection. He won’t shoot that poorly in an offense where he isn’t THE best player. Not to mention his ft% projects that he’d be a similar threat from dee to Kaluma. Finally, his shooting form looks better to me than Kaluma’s.
I don’t think you can or should assume a 25% deep ball from Grant.
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@BeddieKU23 I have to imagine he does. Not good enough to not come back imo. Unless he’s ready to play overseas
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I want to reiterate that I’d be fine with either. I have a strong preference for a guy with Nelson’s upside to Kaluma. But Kaluma is not a scrub and certainly would make the roster significantly better
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@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 sure this makes sense if you assume Nelson will shoot 25%. But that’s not really a great projection. He won’t shoot that poorly in an offense where he isn’t THE best player. Not to mention his ft% projects that he’d be a similar threat from dee to Kaluma. Finally, his shooting form looks better to me than Kaluma’s.
I don’t think you can or should assume a 25% deep ball from Grant.
I may not assume it, but I will predict it based on his numbers and history. His number of 3 point attempts did not significantly increase last season from 2 years ago, 87 as a sophomore to 93 as a junior. It is also very rare to see a player go from a low major league like the Summit League to a P5 league like the Big 12 and increase your shooting numbers because of the quality of competition. So history does not suggest Grant Nelson would increase his 3 point shooting position by moving from North Dakota St. to a school like Kansas.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 sure this makes sense if you assume Nelson will shoot 25%. But that’s not really a great projection. He won’t shoot that poorly in an offense where he isn’t THE best player. Not to mention his ft% projects that he’d be a similar threat from dee to Kaluma. Finally, his shooting form looks better to me than Kaluma’s.
I don’t think you can or should assume a 25% deep ball from Grant.
His form is solid and I watched him hit 2 at the combine. He’d be great here and matchup well with filipowski from Duke. Kaluma would also be a stud….either I’ll take whichever Bill prefers
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Think it’s been behind the scenes stuff. I don’t believe I’ve seen him talk about the portal since he’s focused on the draft process.
The fit for him and the need for us make a lot of sense
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Anyone remember Nelson as a freshman playing well in Allen? Always stuck with me.
Does anyone think if he comes back to school that KU wouldn’t be a big threat due to the presence of Hunter?
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Kentucky only has 7 scholarship players currently. It’s live action out there!
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@kjayhawks Why criticize a recruit that fits our needs? Just wanting another hs Lebron doesn’t mean we will get one-and everybody else is trash. Maybe we didn’t get Mgbako was because of posters like you who trashes everybody but the upper echelon recruits! I don’t get the the criticism of players who choose to play at KU.This isn’t Mizzou -show some class!
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@coolfool13 If a recruit chooses not to come here because a bunch of random message board people criticized them….then they shouldn’t come because they aren’t mentally tough
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@BShark someone else transfer?
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
Kentucky only has 7 scholarship players currently. It’s live action out there!
Cal apparently did that to himself by telling transfer targets that they’re still not gonna play much over the “vaunted freshman class”
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@coolfool13 If a recruit chooses not to come here because a bunch of random message board people criticized them….then they shouldn’t come because they aren’t mentally tough
Or Maybe was just one of multiple Schools a recruit is considering. If a recruit chooses not to come to KU is no reason to start a personal attack on that recruit. - That’s whats great about America freedom of choice , has nothing to do with mental toughness . - Like @coolfool13 said come on show a little class. Just because a kid chooses NOT to come here is not a reason to start pulling BS
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@rcjhdraft said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
Kentucky only has 7 scholarship players currently. It’s live action out there!
Cal apparently did that to himself by telling transfer targets that they’re still not gonna play much over the “vaunted freshman class”
I personally don’t that Oscar is going back either.- He stated he thought that thee was some NBA team would appreciate what he has to offer
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@jayballer67 I scrolled up but missed what was said - what was said?
Don’t rip the kid after we wanted him - that I get. Analyzing his game saying he can’t shoot I don’t think is too much
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@coolfool13 easy killer, I just don’t see a guy that averaged 7 points and 5 rebounds at Santa Clara coming in and putting up big numbers and being a key guy here. I said he will be a big body we need in practice not sure how that’s attacking anyone. I get in trouble on here for telling someone to work on their read comprehension smh has the world really gotten this soft……
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Kids aren’t gonna care either way. Odds are they don’t even know this board exists.
@kjayhawks Yeah I think Braun was a needed addition but he isn’t a game changer. As long as he plays hard, practices the right way and is cool with his role (you’d imagine he would be, since he picked KU) then he will help the team. Basically if he is a bigger Mitch Lightfoot that’s fantastic.
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Cam Spencer, a name to monitor.
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@BShark What’s the staff like? Has some skill but man not sure he can defend or even do match offensively at this level. He looks like a highlight reel of running floaters everywhere
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Duke admissions office may cause Udeh to go elsewhere
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark What’s the staff like? Has some skill but man not sure he can defend or even do match offensively at this level. He looks like a highlight reel of running floaters everywhere
There’s a lot to like about Cam Spencer and his game because his abilities should translate well here. He was the leading scorer on a decent Big 10 team last year. 13.4 ppg, shot 43.4% from 3 on a high volume of attempts, is an above average defender, can play on the ball if needed but mostly is an off ball player.
Cam Spencer can be that 2nd or 3rd scorer KU needs for next season. His PER last year was 21.4 so he would be an upgrade on offense over most of what KU has now.
I would take him over Grant Nelson as someone who could have bigger impact at KU as a 1 year rental.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 How is he any different than Timberlake? Seems like identical height and shot ect. Only leg to stand on is better competition but even that is fairly moot.
Kaluma and Spencer I’m for just trying to figure out minutes
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 How is he any different than Timberlake? Seems like identical height and shot ect. Only leg to stand on is better competition but even that is fairly moot.
Kaluma and Spencer I’m for just trying to figure out minutes
Don’t underestimate how important it is that Cam Spencer put up his numbers against Big 10 level competition. Cam Spencer was a better shooter against better competition than Timberlake so there wouldn’t be the expected drop off that typically happens when a player moves up from a mid or low major to P5 team. Cam Spencer was also an Honorable Mention All Big 10 player last season and a proven 14 ppg player in P5 league and could be KU’S second option after Dickinson as a scorer. The biggest difference between the two is Cam Nelson is a much better defender than Timberlake could ever hope to be and a back court of Harris, Morris, and Spencer would likely be the best defensive back court in the country not too far behind Baylor’s title team back court. The biggest difference would be the size that Baylor back court had compared to what Harris, Morris, and Spencer would bring to the table.
Basically, Cam Spencer looks like he’d belong as a starter at Kansas while Nick Timberlake looks like he should be a 6th man type player. I would take Cam Spnecer over Nick Timberlake 100 times out of 100 if it was a choice between those two.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Great post and I hope you are right.
I know Timberlake was told he’d start so if we got Spencer curious how that plays out.
That team would be loaded and if we got Kaluma at the 4 so KJ can come off the bench…watch out!
Kj, Timberlake, Elmarko and Adam’s jr off the bench is light years better than what we had
