Conference realignment
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Really good stuff here. B12 smoked the Pac12. Yormark is a revelation.
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Here we go again. Florida State wants out of the ACC. Some are speculating the ACC dismantling has now begun. North Carolina and Virginia next up?
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I keep hearing ACC schools are in talks with the B12, SEC and B10. Sounding like 3 if we are lucky “power conferences” maybe a reality in the near future.
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@kjayhawks said in Conference realignment:
I keep hearing ACC schools are in talks with the B12, SEC and B10. Sounding like 3 if we are lucky “power conferences” maybe a reality in the near future.
Kinda funny if we ended up with three mega conferences.
Same teams, but bunched up differently. There go conference rivalries.
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Oh, and I hate TV money…can’t the NCAA figure out how to combat this???
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I’m gonna be honest with the insane amount of money flying around and the games about ready to be streamed on 5 different apps. I likely won’t be a sports fan in 5 years.
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Yea, we need a czar who can control all this mess and keep fans engaged.
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Before long, we will have hologrammed games in the home or virtual reality with court side seats. Just hope it will not be too expensive.
I see that Meta Quest already has it for NBA games. College should not be too far behind.
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Will be fascinating to see if they can get out of the GOR. Thats like half a billion when you include the exit fee
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Everyone is jumping the gun a bit I think. Florida St has to get out of the ACC GOR first.
If they somehow can, they probably go to the B10 or SEC. I would think most FSU fans see going to the B12 as a lateral move and not worth the trouble of trying to get out of the ACC GOR. You could make a pretty salty conference just taking the top half of the ACC and the top half of the B12, though.
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As a FSU fan, this isn’t new but the CFP snub has set this in motion after some legal review. They will likely have to pay $120 million to leave perhaps more, perhaps less. Will be interesting to see what happens but it’s the only way to solidify the future in this race to destroy the sport
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Conference realignment:
Will be fascinating to see if they can get out of the GOR. Thats like half a billion when you include the exit fee
They won’t end up paying near that much. Seen to much talk- they chances are will settle or a lot less. Will still be plenty but nothing close to that. - -After they leave- - -or announce or get invitation to BIG 12 or SEC-- you cn take it to the bank the implosion of the ACC begins
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@BeddieKU23 said in Conference realignment:
As a FSU fan, this isn’t new but the CFP snub has set this in motion after some legal review. They will likely have to pay $120 million to leave perhaps more, perhaps less. Will be interesting to see what happens but it’s the only way to solidify the future in this race to destroy the sport
Plus get out of the GOR. That’s well into the 9 figures. 120 is the exit fee plus 300m+ in foregone media rights. It’s gonna get wooly
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@FarmerJayhawk The Gor runs thru 2036 I believe. That’s a lot of tv dollars. We’ll see how good their lawyers are. The Big12 pulls in more money so I don’t think lateral to ACC, but still behind the other 2 surviving conferences.
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What’s funny is this all could’ve been prevented if not for greed. If the PAC12 and SEC had not poached teams from the Big12, none of this would be going down. Poaching big12 teams has likely ended 2 other conferences!
All the 5 major conferences had to do was band together, pool the money for equal distribution and wield unlimited power over the NCAA while preserving all the last 100 years of conference history. - you could even ban games outside of the “power 5” conferences to insure the best product if you desire.
Football has limited games, but imagine playing all your conference teams once and another 9 common opponents from another conference? You could have different schedules with a “non-conference” portion that is different and imbalanced to equalize things - 1st place finishers all play the other conference winners and on down. Would make for excellent and more fair scheduling and games, but instead Missouri is in the SEC, UCLA is in the BIG10, the PAC12 is rapidly dying, the ACC is on life support, centuries long series have been broken. It’s crazy and all over greed that could be satisfied to a greater extent if they had worked together instead of poaching one another.
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They have secured private equity funding if they go down this road and from everything that I’m aware of, this is the path they are preparing for. The plan is still to get multiple ACC teams to follow suit with them in this fight. There has been some talk that if 3-4 ACC teams go at this together, they will have a fighting chance.
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I don’t have any confidence in our lawyers but they seem prepared for action. They may first go with a Declaratory Judgement to get the courts to define rights and obligations before anything more serious but who knows. They could also push for a settlement which I find more likely because I can’t imagine the ACC or ESPN want a messy litigation battle.
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It’s coming… https://apple.news/ACBU1jQXxTUihn5kx7M03yA
THE FLORIDA STATE board of trustees voted unanimously Friday to file suit against the ACC to challenge the legality of the league’s grant of rights and its $130 million withdrawal fee, a necessary first step to plot the school’s future and potential exit from the conference.
All told, the university estimates the total exit fee, including the forfeiture of television revenue, would be $572 million.
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Mercy Was listening to the podcast and man did FSU land the bomb shell on the ACC. - -7 count lawsuit, none of the Board members voted against the suit , they are saying this whole thing isn’t about winning -it’s about settlement. Reducing the penalty
Being said the penalty of 572 million is insane and no way that gets upheld that the ACC will have to settle for much less, FSU more or less saying this huge GOR and other things were almost forced under duress Word around is FSU will win this easily, and chances are this may not even see a court , that there will be a settlement. The ACc will amend and come up with a settlement cost for AL ACC schools if they want to depart.
They are waiting to hear and think could be soon the next schools to speak up very well could be today - -Clemson & Miami , they way they think this ends up , then any ACC members will be able to exit with the settlement cost instead of the insane 570 million.
Another thing is ESPN can very easily walk away in 2027 from the ACc - -their network , work away completly -the Implosion is begginning
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When all the dust settles, in the end – we will see the Big 1 will benefit from this with the ACC
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Basically my view https://x.com/johnhollinger/status/1738264095852306450?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ
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The battle is set.
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FSU has got this won
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Not only that , thee will be vey quality teams left with no place to land and if the Big 12 is smart they will offer to remain relevant , if they sit back and take no action then we become the next on the chopping block. We have to stay active in alignment for security of the conference , at the present are in a much better spot then the ACC , general consensus is Fla St popular belief is that FSU lands with the BIG , the question is who joins them ? -most believe it’s either Miami or Clemson - -Then strong talk about UNC to the SEC , FSU wins this your going to see mass exodus.
there will be quality teams that will leave teams tryin to find a landing spot. - -Pitt & Louisville seem to be a popular choice to land in the Big 12 , I think if people think that Yormark is going to sit back and do nothing on this- - that’s just foolish, sa active as he has been and how he is trying to promote the Big 12 by such things as going to Rutgers Park - - going into New Mexico to play - -trying to establish in all four time zones , he is looking out for the best interest of the Big 12. - -He will be on the phone if he hasn’t already been talking to teams from the ACC. - -keep up with the Jone’s fellas or get left behind. Then you face the challenge of being left out and end up in some irrelevant Conference when the Big 12 implodes from lake of action.
Brett will continue to push the totally separate package for Basketball a completely separate media deal by it’s self- -that’s a smart move, it may not be the # 1 money maker but it sure the hell isn’t going to hurt. - -If Gonzaga and yes there are still talks about them joining - our Basketball will just be that much stronger and that raises media coverage/money market shares will go up. - -KU - - Arizona— -Baylor - - Houston - -Gonzaga - -and others just a monster.
It will be aawhile but not that long we looking at 2025 possibly or if the major big brands or most exit the ACC after this - -FSU , Clemson , Miami -Virg–and ESPN cuts ties with the ACC which hs been mentioned - lok out.
Talk is the ACC and ESPN doesn’t want this to drag out as then you start looking at multiple lawsuits against the ACC & possibly ESPN - I really can’t explain that part you would have to read it, or hear but ESPN doesn’t want a bunch of legal battle – will be inteesting
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@jayballer67 based on what? Like what’s the “one weird trick” to get out of the GOR that nobody has found up until now?
I do think they’ll settle, but Maryland ended up paying over 60% of the original exit fees and such when they left.
That being said, it’s so early yet it’s impossible to say. Like we’re still in the fighting over venue stage (Florida vs. NC). And if the judge in this declaratory says yeah you’re on the hook for all 572 then whew that changes things entirely.
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Would be kind of funny if FSU won but neither of the P2s wanted them.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Conference realignment:
@jayballer67 based on what? Like what’s the “one weird trick” to get out of the GOR that nobody has found up until now?
I do think they’ll settle, but Maryland ended up paying over 60% of the original exit fees and such when they left.
That being said, it’s so early yet it’s impossible to say. Like we’re still in the fighting over venue stage (Florida vs. NC). And if the judge in this declaratory says yeah you’re on the hook for all 572 then whew that changes things entirely.
One of the things that FSU is using in their suit is that the whole GOR is fraudulent.–FSU signed the GOR in 2016 with the understand that Espn said that they would not renegotiate anything unless the acc agreed to the extension of 2036, the President of the ACC took it upon himself and signed to the Espn agreement without consulting ANY of the ACC schools , now Espn is not locked into paying the Acc anything after 2027, they could just walk away from the ACC. - -FSU saying this constitutes a fraudulent GOR .
As far as the insane 570 Million GOR and exiting , like they said how could ANYONE expect a School to pay those kind of fees when you only make like 45 million of revenue a year ? - that’s just total bullshit. Florida St alrady ha a place to land that’s the BIG, like they said FSU would not go ahead and take this kind of action unless they had a landing spot - sure not going to be the SEC they said because they was talking about things with the SEC and the College Football playoffs… - - They are looking for the settlement not having to pay 570 million that’s not even feasible/realistic -totallt fradulant GOR
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I guess the theory is that the exit fees are meant to be a form of liquidated damages, as the GOR might be. Liquidated damages are damaages for breach of contract that are agreed to in the contract itself because the parties agree that it would be imprecise and hard to calculate damages after a breach actually occurs. CBS has a penalty in the amount of several million in their contracts with everyone involved in Survivor to make sure no one discloses anything, and it has deterred contestants from spilling the beans (even the contract itself has leaked only once in 45 seasons). The amount is huge because no one knows how premature disclosure would affect the ratings and those ratings are consistently high.
There have been many attempts to get liquidated damages tossed out as so excessive they are really punitive damages, which generally do not exist for breach of contract. I would suspect FSU could be pretty convincing that their departure would not hurt anyone to a level anywhere near half a billion bucks.
I will be intrigued if, after bowl season where ESPN controls virtually everything, FSU raises antitrust and restraint of trade issues due to ESPN effectively controlling all the schools’ tv rights through the GOR provision. If the ACC admin has some sweetheart side deal with ESPN that brings nothing to the schools, or just benefits for some, the cries of collusion and corruption will be loud and bitter.
Looking forward to it!
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@mayjay said in Conference realignment:
I guess the theory is that the exit fees are meant to be a form of liquidated damages, as the GOR might be. Liquidated damages are damaages for breach of contract that are agreed to in the contract itself because the parties agree that it would be imprecise and hard to calculate damages after a breach actually occurs. CBS has a penalty in the amount of several million in their contracts with everyone involved in Survivor to make sure no one discloses anything, and it has deterred contestants from spilling the beans (even the contract itself has leaked only once in 45 seasons). The amount is huge because no one knows how premature disclosure would affect the ratings and those ratings are consistently high.
There have been many attempts to get liquidated damages tossed out as so excessive they are really punitive damages, which generally do not exist for breach of contract. I would suspect FSU could be pretty convincing that their departure would not hurt anyone to a level anywhere near half a billion bucks.
I will be intrigued if, after bowl season where ESPN controls virtually everything, FSU raises antitrust and restraint of trade issues due to ESPN effectively controlling all the schools’ tv rights through the GOR provision. If the ACC admin has some sweetheart side deal with ESPN that brings nothing to the schools, or just benefits for some, the cries of collusion and corruption will be loud and bitter.
Looking forward to it!
Espn has till think they said till Feb, o 2015 to exercise their option to extend their agreement to 2036 - -so far hey haven’t exercised those rights. - -Thing is the ACC President signed the agreement with Espn without consulting any of the ACC schools, . People asking ell-- -hy did they sign this agreement, to which was said they just felt so desperate to have the Network they had to have something-- which the ACC president did without really consulting the schools.
@mayjay said in Conference realignment:
I guess the theory is that the exit fees are meant to be a form of liquidated damages, as the GOR might be. Liquidated damages are damaages for breach of contract that are agreed to in the contract itself because the parties agree that it would be imprecise and hard to calculate damages after a breach actually occurs. CBS has a penalty in the amount of several million in their contracts with everyone involved in Survivor to make sure no one discloses anything, and it has deterred contestants from spilling the beans (even the contract itself has leaked only once in 45 seasons). The amount is huge because no one knows how premature disclosure would affect the ratings and those ratings are consistently high.
There have been many attempts to get liquidated damages tossed out as so excessive they are really punitive damages, which generally do not exist for breach of contract. I would suspect FSU could be pretty convincing that their departure would not hurt anyone to a level anywhere near half a billion bucks.
I will be intrigued if, after bowl season where ESPN controls virtually everything, FSU raises antitrust and restraint of trade issues due to ESPN effectively controlling all the schools’ tv rights through the GOR provision. If the ACC admin has some sweetheart side deal with ESPN that brings nothing to the schools, or just benefits for some, the cries of collusion and corruption will be loud and bitter.
Looking forward to it!
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Keep points that the FSU attorneys are focusing on and going to file - -Breach of Contract , Unenforceable withdrawal penalties , Violation of public policy , Restraint of Trade.
FSU saying not so much filing this for the GOR but filing because of the issues they have has concerning Actions of leadership over the last 10 years and the future 13 , Arguing GOR of the ACC withdrawal fees violate Anti Trust Law in Florida. - -and question the ridiculous increase from 21 million GOR 10 years ago to 572 Million GOR now.
