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@wissox said in Non-KU Games:
RANT. 4 Ohio State players quit on their team playing in the Rose Bowl today. They want to go get ready for the draft. What a bunch of entitled punks. Of course they’re not the only ones, many lesser bowl games have seen similar attrition. But coaches are guilty too. Abandon your team when they get hired away to coach someone else. They receive a quality 5 year education (if they take advantage of it), financed by program boosters, essentially who say I will donate money to the school to watch you for 4 years. Then at a game that is always a decent consolation prize for not making the playoff they quit. They should be asked to repay their scholarship. While a few role players will benefit by increased minutes maybe the worst part of this is them quitting on their teammates. NCAA needs to act on this scourge. Schools need to be proactive in preventing this happening by making them sign contracts to agree to finish a season.
RANT. Fans who expect players to risk their financial future to play in a meaningless game are the entitled ones. They should be risking millions of dollars and potential generational wealth for what exactly? You? The irony of calling young men who worked their ass off for the opportunity of the NFL entitled, just so you can sit your butt on a couch and yell at your TV for three hours, is hysterical.
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@BShark said in Non-KU Games:
ISU is pretty damn good. Hanging with an elite Baylor team. If you told me right now they are better than KU I would listen.
ya I would say were gonna have our hands full with them
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@BShark said in Non-KU Games:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Non-KU Games:
Enaruna 14, 6, 1, 1. Let the freshman play, Bill. Please
Not what we needed this year and still wouldn’t have played (cuz Och, CB, JWill) but he is a nice player.
I would take him over Wilson at least from what I’ve seen between the two this year
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Kind of like what has been said. You let them play - -Tristan 10 minutes a game at KU - 2.0 ppg - -here he is today getting extended time and has now scored 23 - -had 19 the last time out
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ISU is 1-12 from 3. Hard to beat Baylor with no 3-pt ball.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Whew do they defend though.
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Brutal back to back sequence for ISU.
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1-14 from 3 and no students. Baylor doesn’t need any advantages.
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@Kcmatt7 Because it’s all about the money. I’m pissed and sorry, but in this case i don’t agree with you. I’m not the only one by the way. Kirk Herbstreet was taking them to task on gameday as was Desmond Howard.
Meaningless game? I guess but for that matter, none of these games matter if a guy wants to go pro. The game today is meaningless. Ochai has a brightening future in the league so he shouldn’t play today because this game is meaningless. I can’t believe you’re a commenter here because none of these games have meaning if these guys are going pro.
If a guy really just wants to be a pro football player then he shouldn’t go to college. Work out, train, etc until someone takes a chance on you, but once you take someones money like these guys are doing to play a college sport then you owe it to the institution, fans, and teammates to play out through the the final game.
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Jermaine Samuels is still at Nova?? Dude has been in college since the Carter administration
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@wissox said in Non-KU Games:
@Kcmatt7 Because it’s all about the money. I’m pissed and sorry, but in this case i don’t agree with you. I’m not the only one by the way. Kirk Herbstreet was taking them to task on gameday as was Desmond Howard.
Meaningless game? I guess but for that matter, none of these games matter if a guy wants to go pro. The game today is meaningless. Ochai has a brightening future in the league so he shouldn’t play today because this game is meaningless. I can’t believe you’re a commenter here because none of these games have meaning if these guys are going pro.
If a guy really just wants to be a pro football player then he shouldn’t go to college. Work out, train, etc until someone takes a chance on you, but once you take someones money like these guys are doing to play a college sport then you owe it to the institution, fans, and teammates to play out through the the final game.
The only reason that bowl games still exist after the installation of the playoffs is money lol. The season should be over for everyone except for Alabama and Georgia at this point. The rest of the bowl games are pure vanity.
Yes, all of these games are essentially meaningless. They are semi-pro athletes who happen to play at schools we love. If Ochai decided that what was best for him was to leave KU to go work on being a pro then by all means he should. And I’d wish him well. It is his choice, not yours or mine. Every single one of these guys has a limited earning period to capitalize on their youth and athleticism. So to criticize someone for doing what they think is best for them in their situation is pretty silly. If a player wants to play, they should. If they don’t, then they shouldn’t. Good luck to schools who are recruiting and asking players to sign a contract that has them pay back the scholarship if they leave one game early.
And I’m a commenter here because I love KU and KU basketball. I’m not going to get my panties in a bunch over the life choices of a 21 year old.
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@Kcmatt7 I guess it reveals a mindset difference. If you think chase the bucks, fine, then let them. Again, leading voices in the sport are saying the same thing, so don’t give me ‘panties in a wad’ crap. I suppose during our big chance in 2008 in a rare BCS bowl game you would have been fine if Reesing or Meier or Briscoe had quit. That’s a shame and it would have been a horrendous slap in the face of the faithful fans who had stuck by the team so many years.
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@wissox It seems that you are inflaming your anger with "what-if"s that didn’t exist. 2008 didn’t happen that way. Our bb team isn’t doing that. So why get so exorcised about a fantasy disappointment?
Your rant is about 4 TOSU players cutting out of the Rose Bowl. I understand not liking that, but here’s something else to think about: With Omicron running amock, 4 bowls were cancelled. Hundreds of players lost their last chance to showcase their talents. Millions of dollars in tickets and concessions lost, vendors deprived of sales, sponsors blown out of exposure that was years in the planning… No one to blame, really, but a damn shame that few people even think about.
What, precisely, is lost because 4 guys don’t play? Do we know the team was butt-hurt? The game goes on. Four guys are prepping for a huge step in their careers. They miss the chance to be seen. The game goes on. Nothing else is threatened.
I love the irony of Desmond Howard criticizing them for disrespecting their teammates. He may have forgotten the flak his “Hesiman pose” received from people who thought he was showboating and disrespecting the team aspects of football. I didn’t care, myself. But arguably one of the most “me me me” moments in college fb history.
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@wissox said in Non-KU Games:
@Kcmatt7 I guess it reveals a mindset difference. If you think chase the bucks, fine, then let them. Again, leading voices in the sport are saying the same thing, so don’t give me ‘panties in a wad’ crap. I suppose during our big chance in 2008 in a rare BCS bowl game you would have been fine if Reesing or Meier or Briscoe had quit. That’s a shame and it would have been a horrendous slap in the face of the faithful fans who had stuck by the team so many years.
You literally got on here to rant. Almost the definition of having your panties wadded.
And my mindset isn’t to chase the money. It is that everyone should make their own decisions based on the information they have. You don’t know the situations that led players to make those decisions. Life is short and you shouldn’t feel that anyone owes you anything.
You can absolutely be disappointed if guys don’t play. But I’m definitely not going to be pissy about it because I am not in their shoes. I don’t know what making that decision is like. I don’t know their family or financial situation. We are talking about decisions involving generational wealth and life changing money for them AND those they love.
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@mayjay Well I certainly know not to argue with a judge! But I’ll do it anyways
The comparison with games cancelled for Covid is much different in my view.What’s lost? OSU is getting killed. Imagine being an OSU fan who paid a bunch of money, maybe money that was a splurge to attend this game and then having four guys who apparently are great players decide to skip the game? I’d be pissed. Maybe me and Kirk and Desmond are the only ones mad about it. IDK. But like I told Matt it reveals a mindset difference. Loyalty to a school that helped get you to the NFL dream? Apparently that means nothing to guys who again in my view are self centered. Much more so than a posing Desmond Howard in a moment many view as an iconic moment in the games history.
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Just saw the score. My reaction might be tinged by having attended Michigan…
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Is it a breach of contract? You sign a LOI to lace em up for whomever and they give you 5 years of education in exchange for playing for them. Then you tell them, sorry, I don’t want to play for you anymore, even when it’s a big game.
@Crimsonorblue22 Simmons played his full season. I really don’t see why he’s evidence that I’m wrong. Breece Hall, another piece of evidence. I understand loyalty is no big deal.
@Kcmatt7 How am I risking their financial futures? I know injuries happen, but then why play any games? I really don’t get the push back on this. But somehow I’ve become the bad guy for suggesting a player should honor the commitment that people made to him and helped him get to the point that after today, they can go and chase their NFL dreams?
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@wissox to me the mindset difference you are highlighting is which subset of people do you care about the most? You seem to favor the feelings and emotions of the fans. Those arguing against you are giving priority to the thoughts, feelings, and decisions of the players.
For me, you may very well be right that fans, commentators, donors, etc are upset by those young mens decisions. The players may have in fact just negatively impacted their future careers because there are undoubtedly people who think the same as you in positions of power in their futures.
BUT especially with football where every game has a negative impact on your future health, I’m going to in the end always fall on the side of the players. They are the ones risking their bodies, their futures, their careers with every decision they make on and off the field. If they are doing what they think is best than more power to them.
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@wissox said in Non-KU Games:
Is it a breach of contract? You sign a LOI to lace em up for whomever and they give you 5 years of education in exchange for playing for them. Then you tell them, sorry, I don’t want to play for you anymore, even when it’s a big game.
@Crimsonorblue22 Simmons played his full season. I really don’t see why he’s evidence that I’m wrong. Breece Hall, another piece of evidence. I understand loyalty is no big deal.
@Kcmatt7 How am I risking their financial futures? I know injuries happen, but then why play any games? I really don’t get the push back on this. But somehow I’ve become the bad guy for suggesting a player should honor the commitment that people made to him and helped him get to the point that after today, they can go and chase their NFL dreams?
Ben Simmons didn’t play the whole season for LSU. LSU was in the NIT that season and Simmons noped out of that tournament to prep for the NBA.
Sorry, but unless a school makes the CFP, it’s common for schools to lose money on bowl games due to all the travel costs involved for housing players, the band, and cheerleaders in pretty nice hotels and not enough fans traveling to lower tier bowl games.
See Marcus Lattimore or Willis McGahee for why players will sit out bowl games I stead of risking injury. McGahee lost out in millions when his knee got destroyed in Miami’s Fiesta Bowl game against Ohio St. when he was a guaranteed top 5 pick in the 2003 draft prior to his injury. Marcus Lattimore never played an NFL snap because of all the injuries he suffered at South Carolina.
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This OU KSU game is making me question the utility of eyesight
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@wissox not sure if you’d already seen this. A players perspective:
https://twitter.com/ww_marcus/status/1477448756505321472?s=21
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Matt Corral is exhibit 1 about how opting out is smart. If he’s hurt enough to miss Draft prep that could be millions of dollars in lost earnings. I don’t love it but it’s clearly the smart decision.
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It’s interesting to me that I’ve read several commentaries and seen tweets that seem to indicate it’s us old fuddy duddies that are mad about this and all the woke younger folks make silly memes telling us to stop yelling “stay off my lawn”.
I do think that ESPN is culpable. They’ve created a zillion ridiculous bowls and I don’t blame someone from leaving their 6-6 team playing on a blue field before Christmas for saying, yeah, sorry guys, I’m opting out. The age of the participation trophy has come to fruition. Most kids see through those stupid things. You all make some valid points but I think I do too.
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@BeddieKU23 good catch on Ben Simmons. Forgot that was the case.
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@wissox So, can I rest easy that since TOSU won and the B10 gets the Rose Bowl trophy, then those 4 players need not be hunted down, and the tar and feathers can be put away?
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Yes! Quite a game out there.
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@wissox Hey buddy…hope all is well! My response is I agree with you that players shouldn’t be opting out of bowl games, but then I get to thinking: last game of NFL regular season, the playoff teams bench their starters…in the NBA, a gazillion players take the night off for “rest”, MLB players get regular days off- some a ton of days off. Especially if they happen to be on my fantasy baseball roster. You’re going to say…“BUT, they didn’t quit on their team”. And you’d be right… in a way. They aren’t playing for all the marbles, though. If we start seeing teams in the playoffs begin to have guys checking out, then we will have a problem.
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@Jethro The guys sitting in the NFL is a bit of a problem and it goes back to the fans who pay for tickets and then don’t get to see who they paid to see. I experienced this disappointment this MLB season as a 20 game package ticket holder. Show up and guys are getting rested. Larussa sat 2 or 3 guys one game. I really don’t know why MLB, or NBA players need rested. Like you play a game for 3-4 hours, do some warm ups, etc. What do you need to rest for? In MLB half of those hours you’re sitting on the bench waiting to walk up to the plate and run at most 360 feet!
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@approxinfinity said in Non-KU Games:
Enaruna had a nice first half. We could have used him.
Yeah, I wasn’t pleased when Enaruna left.
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@wissox players taking off for ten or 15 game stretches in the NBA while already getting paid and not even being injured, that I am not onboard with. I don’t fault college players who skip bowls, unless it’s the CFP. If were going to the NFL I wouldn’t play in the Mayo Bowl.
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But Enaruna, the guy is balling. I’m glad to see it, just wish he would’ve been able to do it in Lawrence. Any word on Muscadin?
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@mayjay What do you expect from a pro football site?
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@wissox said in Non-KU Games:
@mayjay What do you expect from a pro football site?
And ESPN talking heads are going to rail against skipping bowl games because ESPN owns most of the mid and lower tier bowl games that players tend to skip on. ESPN has their own agenda when they criticize players for skipping out on bowl games.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 True! But don’t get me started on ESPN and their own agenda.
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I guess pro football players are quitting on their teams in the middle of games now. Antonio Brown left the field at half time shirtless today and quit. Something is wrong with that guy. I wonder if it’s CTE?
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@wissox said in Non-KU Games:
I guess pro football players are quitting on their teams in the middle of games now. Antonio Brown left the field at half time shirtless today and quit. Something is wrong with that guy. I wonder if it’s CTE?
pathetically wrong, anyone else see that little episode ?
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Johnny Davis putting on a show against Purdue tonight. Not sure it will offset officiating but he’s been amazing.
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@wissox said in Non-KU Games:
I guess pro football players are quitting on their teams in the middle of games now. Antonio Brown left the field at half time shirtless today and quit. Something is wrong with that guy. I wonder if it’s CTE?
I would guess CTE is part of it, but I’m also guessing bipolar or something in that area of mental health issues as well.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah, he’s got some issues that are kind of scary. I guess until he got dinked in the head in 2017 he really had zero issues. I feel bad making fun of him.
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Have a game, Johnny Davis
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@wissox said in Non-KU Games:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah, he’s got some issues that are kind of scary. I guess until he got dinked in the head in 2017 he really had zero issues. I feel bad making fun of him.
He supposedly had some issues going on before the Burfict hit based on what the people with the Steelers have said at the time.
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What a win for the Badgers. All 3 Wisconsin bigs foul out but Johnny Davis scores 37. Amazing game. 3rd ranked Boilers are 1-2 in the BIG!
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Tuesday 6PM, Kentucky v. LSU in Baton Rouge. LSU fav’d by 2. Nice opportunity to gain an overall win against Kentucky with their loss and a win against Okie St. Fingers crossed, etc.
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@wissox that guy has been a clown car for a long time. His being not all there not even in question, at this point. You like that Badgers’ win did you?
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LSU might be the best team in the country.
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Defensively maybe
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@BShark said in Non-KU Games:
LSU might be the best team in the country.
EHHHHHHHHHH , - -really not to sure about that. - -maybe I suppose but man I like Baylor. - like commentators have said , they might be better then LAST YEAR - - just loaded
