Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer)
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@Oldmanhawk said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
Hey all, my first time posting! Been reading these comments so long I feel like I know you guys.
Welcome you can see it all hear it all in here. - -lot’s of good topics wisdom. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Welcome!
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@jayballer67 said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@jayballer67 said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@jayballer67 said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@FarmerJayhawk said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
Tyty very much in play.
you think he is guy? - -makes me hesitant in thinking that , just not feeling it now with this addition - -mercy gonna be some competition for sure.
So with all these new additions - -when will these guys become official? put the name to the Ink? - Some have mentioned Curry maybe a no show - - I kind of think he still shows - -after his tweet about this commit, think he is still coming
I don’t think Curry was ever pitched on being an immediate impact guy. I think he was likely pitched as having a much larger role in a year or two and still having 2-3 years to play as a starter or rotation guy. You don’t run off someone who’s built like Zion and has a lot of potential.
ya I didn’t think is an impact guy either just a role player. might be a guy to possibly redshirt
He can be an impact guy, but it won’t be in 2021-22. His biggest obstacle is that he doesn’t have much quickness which is mostly from him being overweight. He has a naturally thick body type, but he’s still about 20-25 lbs. overweight right now. He’s the biggest reason Gethro moved on because his ceiling is much higher than Gethro’s is.
now not comparing athlete wise or height or any of that BUT would you compare his being over weight wise is comparable to possibly Doke’s over weight wise cause Doke was overweight when he came in but worked hard and transferred into a brick - think curry is about the same degree oveweight. - I think Doke was somewhere about the same but difference night and day in the end
Pretty much. Curry getting in shape should have a pretty big impact on his overall game.
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@jayballer67 Dave lost 40 to 50 pounds in his first year at Oak Hill high school. Doke lost 60, I think after arriving at KU. Both pretty much transformed their bodies.
This whole discussion takes me back to the best nickname for a “sizeable” guy ever:
Charles Barkley, The Round Mound of Rebound
I still chuckle!
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@mayjay Dave came to KU at around 290 according to 247 and is currently listed at 250 on KU’s site so he’s dropped 40 more pounds since he arrived here.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Or possibly gained a bunch back during high school!
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@Oldmanhawk hi!
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@mayjay said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@Texas-Hawk-10 Or possibly gained a bunch back during high school!
I believe Dave has said he was around 350 lbs. when he started getting serious about getting in shape so he’s dropped close to 100 lbs. total.
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@jayballer67 Did Bryce seem 5 Star to anyone? Even before the injuries was failing the eye test.
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@Fightsongwriter said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@jayballer67 Did Bryce seem 5 Star to anyone? Even before the injuries was failing the eye test.
The good news is unlike Grimes he is a hard worker with his head on right. Helps that dad is in our corner too instead of actively against Self lol.
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The lack of summer and fall workouts killed our young guys. Enaruna never saw a gym and was really late getting here because of travel restrictions. Bryce had trouble adjusting, no doubt.
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@BShark Agreed
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@Oldmanhawk Thanks for dropping in! Let us know if we have said anything really outrageous. Someone has got to call us out.
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@Fightsongwriter said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@jayballer67 Did Bryce seem 5 Star to anyone? Even before the injuries was failing the eye test.
Yes, low end 5 star players, which Bryce was, usually have an adjustment period and aren’t always instant impact players and can take half a season or so to fully adjust. Bryce was definitely figuring things out at the end of the season and playing much better. Without those injuries, the light probably comes on for him in early February.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
The lack of summer and fall workouts killed our young guys. Enaruna never saw a gym and was really late getting here because of travel restrictions. Bryce had trouble adjusting, no doubt.
Yeah, it’s already tough for FR then all the extra crap.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree he was playing better but compared to Suggs or Cade, for a 5 he seemed an awful lot like a 3.
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@Fightsongwriter said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree he was playing better but compared to Suggs or Cade, for a 5 he seemed an awful lot like a 3.
Yeah there is a big difference between guys that should be playing in the NBA and lower end 5*s.
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@Fightsongwriter Suggs was also a great fb player so a lot tougher. Wonder if Cade got some free time cause of his brother? They are ahead of him.
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Cade is a transcendent talent he will not only last in the NBA but he should be a star in all honesty.
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@BShark said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
Cade is a transcendent talent he will not only last in the NBA but he should be a star in all honesty.
I mean, he is 6’8” with a 7’2” wing span
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@Fightsongwriter said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree he was playing better but compared to Suggs or Cade, for a 5 he seemed an awful lot like a 3.
There’s a very big difference in talent level between guys like Cunningham and Suggs and someone like Bryce Thompson.
Most basketball recruiting classes have somewhere between 25-30 players rated as a 5 star recruit.
Top 10ish players who are generally considered OAD players are high end 5 star players. The 10-20 ranked kids are mid-level 5 star kids that have OAD potential, but not surefire OAD kids. 20 and lower are the low end 5 star kids that are considered to have an NBA future, but need more than 1 season to reach that level.
To out it in KU terms, guys Josh Jackson and Andrew Wiggins were on the same level as Cunningham. Guys that’s would’ve been top 10 lottery picks straight out of high school. Xavier Henry and Kelly Oubre are comparable to Suggs in talent level. Guys that are OAD caliber, but maybe not top 5 draft pick good.
Bryce Thompson is ranked in the same general range as Devon Dotson and Elijah Johnson. Those guys were 5 star players, but never considered OAD. Those were guys that needed time for the light to come on and Bryce was no different.
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@Fightsongwriter said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@jayballer67 Did Bryce seem 5 Star to anyone? Even before the injuries was failing the eye test.
might of been a case of just fighting himself to much - -causing additional struggles - -hopefully is better next eyar
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I wonder how many dunks Big Dave would’ve missed if he still weighed 290?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Gosh, golly and gee-willakers tx hawk, thanks for explaining all that. After following college bball for 43 years, I didn’t know ANY of that!
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@Fightsongwriter said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@Texas-Hawk-10 Gosh, golly and gee-willakers tx hawk, thanks for explaining all that. After following college bball for 43 years, I didn’t know ANY of that!
And yet for some reason you still think a team that couldn’t shoot for shit or defend for shit this season was capable of making a deep run in the tournament this season by sitting their best offensive player.
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Getting Yesufu could be a game changer for next years team.
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@wissox said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@Texas-Hawk-10 I wonder how many dunks Big Dave would’ve missed if he still weighed 290?
I wonder if he could have gotten off the ground!
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@approxinfinity all the outrageous comments is what keeps me coming back! LOL. I do enjoy everyone’s perspective
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@Texas-Hawk-10 First off…never once did I say a word about a deep run. So you just making up crazy crap. 2nd…if you are suggesting Bryce was our best offensive player, we were clearly watching different teams. Och, Dave, Wilson, and Garret all ahead. heck maybe Harris and early season CB too. He could wind up being a nice player, but I just don’t see 5 star skills.
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Ooh. Tough. I think Bryce could be anywhere from out of the rotation to leading scorer next season.
I think we saw plenty of ability to separate from his man. His speed a few times.
But he was wild and out of control and Inconsistent. Things that experience tend to help with.
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Bryce has got major work to do on his shot - - - flat ass ugly shot , if he wants to contribute & get major minutes he has to work on that shot be less careless with the ball and lock down D, typical freshamn most the time.
Like has been said could fall all the way from major playing time to not on the opening rotation period
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I’m not worried about Bryce shooting the ball. Remember Svi shot 28% from 3 & 30% from the floor his first year. Seriously, and he dealt with 2 injuries that literally impacted his ability to shoot the ball. Kid was a shooter/scorer in HS. Now I’m sure the staff will work with him, maybe you see a tweak or two so the form looks visually better.
We’ll see but I think the key to unlocking his shooting is a bigger role. He had his adjustment year and now I expect if he earns a starting gig or a big minute role we’ll see a much better player
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Work this off season will be so vital for so many of our guys. Competition this spring and summer is going to be crazy. I think Bryce will be much improved and that ugly ass shot will look a lot better when they start going in!
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@Oldmanhawk said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
Work this off season will be so vital for so many of our guys. Competition this spring and summer is going to be crazy. I think Bryce will be much improved and that ugly ass shot will look a lot better when they start going in!
i sure hope his shot is - -cause like you say - -MAN that is one ugly looking shot. At times doesn’t look hardly like any rotation spin on the ball after release - -kind of flat really ugly looking shot
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@jayballer67 ya. And with his reputation of having such a good mid range game you would think his shot would look pure. But like they say if it goes in it all counts the same!!!
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But the guy (am I wrong?) shot fairly well from deep in HS, right?
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@BeddieKU23 the roster is going to go 13-15 deep with players who are all legit or better P5 players. a whole bunch of them are not going to play. a whole bunch of them are going to be disappointed when they figure that out. Self isnt messing around and trying to keep players happy. there will be a number of unhappy players because Self is not doing it Roy’s way. Roy would get 7-8 legit dudes then surround with role players. Self has a dozen guys who could start at most schools. so half of them are going to find out they aren’t starters at kansas. Bryce may not play much this year either. self is bringing in guards who are expecting to play. they can’t all play a lot. honestly i can see bryce transferring if he doesn’t beat the transfers out for playing time
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@bennie Good to be back to that because the bench sucked this year.
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@BShark said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@bennie Good to be back to that because the bench sucked this year.
No doubt.
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How many years (I’m being lazy, as usual) of eligibility does Yesufu have? No doubt that he is a player, I saw a Drake game and was onboard for them making the tournament. He is going to start for us.
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@Marco 3
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@bennie said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@BeddieKU23 the roster is going to go 13-15 deep with players who are all legit or better P5 players. a whole bunch of them are not going to play. a whole bunch of them are going to be disappointed when they figure that out. Self isnt messing around and trying to keep players happy. there will be a number of unhappy players because Self is not doing it Roy’s way. Roy would get 7-8 legit dudes then surround with role players. Self has a dozen guys who could start at most schools. so half of them are going to find out they aren’t starters at kansas. Bryce may not play much this year either. self is bringing in guards who are expecting to play. they can’t all play a lot. honestly i can see bryce transferring if he doesn’t beat the transfers out for playing time
For me personally I would rather have an embarrassment of riches than have the cupboard bare. It’ll be interesting to see how the pieces mesh and if Self can get them to check their egos at the door for the betterment of the team. If they buy in, next year could be special. If they can’t, don’t or won’t then perhaps it’s better they go elsewhere anyway.
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@tis4tim well obviously its better for Self to have starting talent sitting on the bench. but none of them except maybe Lightfoot considers themself a bench player. and thats what will result in some transfers once some of these recruits figure out they miscalculated their odds of getting significant playing time.
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@bennie said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@tis4tim well obviously its better for Self to have starting talent sitting on the bench. but none of them except maybe Lightfoot considers themself a bench player. and thats what will result in some transfers once some of these recruits figure out they miscalculated their odds of getting significant playing time.
Perhaps Mitch will be Howard’s replacement?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@bennie said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@tis4tim well obviously its better for Self to have starting talent sitting on the bench. but none of them except maybe Lightfoot considers themself a bench player. and thats what will result in some transfers once some of these recruits figure out they miscalculated their odds of getting significant playing time.
Perhaps Mitch will be Howard’s replacement?
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KU missed this kind of ability to get your own shot last year. Shades of Graham.
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That was Graham in a Drake uniform.
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@bennie said in Yesufu to KU (Drake PG Transfer):
@BeddieKU23 the roster is going to go 13-15 deep with players who are all legit or better P5 players. a whole bunch of them are not going to play. a whole bunch of them are going to be disappointed when they figure that out. Self isnt messing around and trying to keep players happy. there will be a number of unhappy players because Self is not doing it Roy’s way. Roy would get 7-8 legit dudes then surround with role players. Self has a dozen guys who could start at most schools. so half of them are going to find out they aren’t starters at kansas. Bryce may not play much this year either. self is bringing in guards who are expecting to play. they can’t all play a lot. honestly i can see bryce transferring if he doesn’t beat the transfers out for playing time
I’m going to go out on a limb here about Bryce. Self has a personal interest with Thompson having coached the dad. There’s a relationship that goes beyond the court here. I don’t see Bryce going anywhere other then the next level, in time. Even with a covid offseason he played 28 minutes in the season opener against Gonzaga. He started 4 games this year and if it wasn’t for 2 injuries that cost him 2 months of development he may well have started more and had a completely different year. He’ll earn his keep.
While I agree Self is building up a roster with depth and talent the fact he’s still recruiting guys that he wants to come in and make an impact tells me he doesn’t have 12 guys that can start anywhere. Some guys will have to develop and be patient like the freshman bigs or the Juco transfer. This team needs more, 1-2 more pieces that can play immediately.
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@BeddieKU23 Completely agree about Bryce. Bill loves him, and his work ethic is fantastic.
And yeah I would lean towards adding another guard and another big/wing, likely Bishop. One player would have to stay pro to add two more, and I would lean towards Ochai.
