Toronto Blue Jays discussion.
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I tend to agree with the posters who say this team is a year away.
The good news is that it’s early enough in the season for them to develop some chemistry.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
I’ll take the win!!
I’m getting to old for these kind of games
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Anyone remember when there was so much talk about how Jalen wouldn’t see that minutes talking how he would have few minutes ? - - - I do - - 23-10 - double double again tonight
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I’m worried we have 2 more years of McCormack. The kid doesn’t get it.
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Not Dave’s day…week…year.
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@approxinfinity don’t say things like this.
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@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
I’m worried we have 2 more years of McCormack. The kid doesn’t get it.
the kid helped us stay in it the 1st half
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
How are we 5-1. lol
Schedule and most of cbb is down tbh. Like looking at the games of other teams in the top 10, it’s pretty derp.
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Thompson hit some big shots for us in the 2nd half - - made some freshmen mistakes also but he will be ok takes time
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Maybe we were spoiled by having Azubuike, especially the way he played late in the season last year. Not a fair comparison?
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@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
I’m worried we have 2 more years of McCormack. The kid doesn’t get it.
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He shot 5-7 in the first half and that’s all he did. If he wasn’t in there other people would have scored and contributed more to the game. He left wide open shooters all night, didn’t rebound well, never ever holds a screen, got called for a moving one, shot off balance garbage after the first 10 minutes, there just is very little to like. Still can’t time a blocked shot for the life of him.
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@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
He shot 5-7 in the first half and that’s all he did. If he wasn’t in there other people would have scored and contributed more to the game. He left wide open shooters all night, didn’t rebound well, never ever holds a screen, got called for a moving one, shot off balance garbage after the first 10 minutes, there just is very little to like. Still can’t time a blocked shot for the life of him.
Sorry you feel that way - I’ll be sure and let Coach know lmao
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Won a game against a top 10 opponent where Ochai did nothing offensively. Impressive.
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@BShark said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
Won a game against a top 10 opponent where Ochai did nothing offensively. Impressive.
As well as TGF
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@BeddieKU23 That’s really not as surprising to me, he’s gonna be hit/miss all year. Ochai had been playing consistently well.
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I try to think of the criticisms of Doke. Some were similar. Couldn’t defend the 3, couldn’t rebound particularly well. But that stuff ended when he got in shape. Dave appears to be in shape but has gotten worse not better his Jr year and is a way way worse scorer while having the same massive usage rate.
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Well look at it like this. - - - Oachi lays a big FAT ZERO - -contributes nothing and we still find a way to win. – Oachi has times like this where you don’t even knows he is there
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His usage rate is 10% higher then Doke. Self has got to have a funeral on this feed Dave 15-20 possessions a game nonsense
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@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
@BShark said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
Won a game against a top 10 opponent where Ochai did nothing offensively. Impressive.
As well as TGF
you beat me to that post - -Agree
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I think about how well this roster shoots, then you take Garrett off, and add Clemence. Assuming Jalen hangs around college hoops, next year will be very salty. Clemence is an ELITE shooter, that happens to be about 6’10’’. We are super fortunate he grew up a KU superfan. Thanks mom!
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Yeah Ochai had one of those nights. At least he defended and did a few other things
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Thompson looked good until he lost his poise. Really enjoy his foul line pull up. Pretty money.
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@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
Thompson looked good until he lost his poise. Really enjoy his foul line pull up. Pretty money.
Yeah he has been flashing why he will be good a few times this year. We could see a really big leap next year.
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Dave had 13 points & 7 rebounds. Pretty decent night all in all ya 3 TO’s but if you want to be honest we should be happy with that - - we shouldn’t need much more then that on an average night, point wise no reason we need more then tht with the other scorers we have on this team - -if we can get that kind of production out of him on a regular basis - - - I’m fine. - -If we would of gotten diddly squat out of Oachi wouldn’t of had to worry about it - -when you have him flat line then people magnify other players play. - -I mean come on ya maybe if you want to get really picky he could of gotten 2-3 more rebounds.
Yet if you look at it and see what he contributed tonight comparing it to what he has been getting and getting this kind of contribution against a really good quality opponent like this - -unless your just a chronic complainer you need to realize this is progress from him - -he is going to be fine
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Our offense is the same as last year: play through the center. But, our personnel is way different. Anyone else surprised by how much of our offense is run through Dave?
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@stoptheflop I’m very interested to see the offense after the Christmas break. Bill seems to be trying to figure things out still.
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Bill on Jalen “terrific, just unbelievable”
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Gotta say both fans did a great job of wearing their masks. My son says Lawrence is really good at doing that.
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SHOOT
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Somebody help me out. - -Wasn’t we originally suppose to play Tennessee this season ?
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I miss the energy Dok brought to the team; the way Dok sprinted down the court and even got out on the breaks. Dave has very little energy and is slow getting back down court on defense. But, Dave did a few things on offense that worked. Maybe he’ll get better.
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@jayballer67 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
Somebody help me out. - -Wasn’t we originally suppose to play Tennessee this season ?
B12/SEC Challenge against Tenn. is on Jan. 30.
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Yeah its in January
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@jayballer67 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
Dave had 13 points & 7 rebounds. Pretty decent night all in all ya 3 TO’s but if you want to be honest we should be happy with that - - we shouldn’t need much more then that on an average night, point wise no reason we need more then tht with the other scorers we have on this team - -if we can get that kind of production out of him on a regular basis - - - I’m fine. - -If we would of gotten diddly squat out of Oachi wouldn’t of had to worry about it - -when you have him flat line then people magnify other players play. - -I mean come on ya maybe if you want to get really picky he could of gotten 2-3 more rebounds.
Yet if you look at it and see what he contributed tonight comparing it to what he has been getting and getting this kind of contribution against a really good quality opponent like this - -unless your just a chronic complainer you need to realize this is progress from him - -he is going to be fine
I would like to be glass half full on this, but…It was a tale of two halves. Dave had a solid first half, but not so much in the second. 0-5 in the second half, a couple of turnovers, 1-2 from the line, and 3-4 rebounds. But, to his credit, he wasn’t a black hole at the end and kicked it out to Jalen for what turned out to be the game winner…
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
@jayballer67 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
Somebody help me out. - -Wasn’t we originally suppose to play Tennessee this season ?
B12/SEC Challenge against Tenn. is on Jan. 30.
ya thanks I seen that on another site after I posed this. - that’s gonna be a tough one
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@jayballer67 I agree its progress and I hope it continues. However, Im a Harris fan and I’d like to see he, TGF and Enaruna continue to get meaningful minutes because they are also important. My frustration with poor play from Dave is in large part because I know we have a lot of other talent that gets it on the bench when he’s in.
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@approxinfinity There are reasons Harris didn’t get as much time tonight. Creighton is well coached (unlike say, Kentucky) and when we had him out there Creighton was rightfully ignoring him on offense. Once he shot that three, it confirmed what they already knew.
Dave’s second half was really bad.
Tristan’s main issue seems to be a complete lack of aggression.
I am not sure on Tyon’s lack of minutes tonight but it was nice to see more good things from Bryce.
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Looked like bad Tyon to me. Half a step slow on D, missed some easy looks, missed some passes. He’ll have some like that. But wow, once the light comes on it’ll be hard to keep him off the floor.
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Doghoused after that missed layup that he could have passed to Tristan
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PER’s after the big win
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KU averaged 0.64 ppp with Harris on the floor last night, 1.1 when he was off. He just won’t be playable in every game until he can shoot. Or you have to play him when Garrett isn’t on the floor.
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@wissox brother - I am sorry, I let you down. It was weird - I got into the game and forgot all about chatting.
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@stoptheflop said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
I miss the energy Dok brought to the team; the way Dok sprinted down the court and even got out on the breaks. Dave has very little energy and is slow getting back down court on defense. But, Dave did a few things on offense that worked. Maybe he’ll get better.
I would disagree with some of this. I don’t think Dave has little energy, I think it’s more he doesn’t utilize his energy efficiently. I’m not sure I’ve seen much of him NOT TRYING. He isn’t very fast and even less “quick” but that doesn’t mean he isn’t giving full effort. I think he is earnestly trying to do what everyone wants him to do. Self wants him to be a presence in the paint. He’s trying to do that. He LOOKS aggressive when he is playing but still seems to get bullied away from the basket by smaller guys.
I’m really hoping all the praise for the late game kick out will be a light bulb for him. If he can focus on making plays like that he can definitely benefit this team.
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@nuleafjhawk Man, you should have seen it. Without anyone in charge it was like Lord of the Flies.
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Stronger competition has brought him back down to life. Just needs time in the lab to get comfortable.
Agree his shot is a concern that needs to be addressed. He’s Marcus 2.0 as a shooter.
Having Dajuan, Marcus & Dave on the floor at the same time is poor recognition of strengths and weaknesses. No defense is going to respect that lineup.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:
Stronger competition has brought him back down to life. Just needs time in the lab to get comfortable.
Agree his shot is a concern that needs to be addressed. He’s Marcus 2.0 as a shooter.
Having Dajuan, Marcus & Dave on the floor at the same time is poor recognition of strengths and weaknesses. No defense is going to respect that lineup.
Yeah, he needs a real offseason for them to retool his shot. Once Marcus is gone it’s fine to start him at the PG barring a great late addition.
