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@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t. It would be out of Bill’s norm to redshirt a freshman if he didn’t have to. If it were me I probably would just because there’s no clear role for him this year and he could be a nice player in a couple years.
@jayballer67 not at all. JCL has better ball skills than Ochai but not good enough to play the 2 when Self likes two combos out there.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t. It would be out of Bill’s norm to redshirt a freshman if he didn’t have to. If it were me I probably would just because there’s no clear role for him this year and he could be a nice player in a couple years.
@jayballer67 not at all. JCL has better ball skills than Ochai but not good enough to play the 2 when Self likes two combos out there.
So in what terms are you talking then ? - - -JCL better Fg % then Och ( 43.5 to 42 % ) - - a lot better ft % then Och ( 86.1 % to 68.9 % ) - - Better 3 pt shooter then Och ( 39.5 % to 37.7 % ) so really where would he not be as good ? - - neither one really plays defense that well. - -Och didn’t turn the ball over as much is really the only area where he is better then JCL. - -assists ration is a wash - - Steals are a wash -I think they pretty much balance one another out
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@jayballer67 i think Och has been a pretty competent defender for stretches, he just occasionally got lost. He has the body and athleticism for it. Also JCL has hit his ceiling. Hoping Och has yet to.
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@approxinfinity said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
@jayballer67 i think Och has been a pretty competent defender for stretches, he just occasionally got lost. He has the body and athleticism for it. Also JCL has hit his ceiling. Hoping Och has yet to.
possibly but I think Och has hit his max , I don’t think your going to see any major improvement from where he is right now
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@jayballer67 so there was one game he willed us back into by absolutely going off from 3. If he can find that more often that would be a big leap forward. But mostly, I agree with your assessment.
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@jayballer67 said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t. It would be out of Bill’s norm to redshirt a freshman if he didn’t have to. If it were me I probably would just because there’s no clear role for him this year and he could be a nice player in a couple years.
@jayballer67 not at all. JCL has better ball skills than Ochai but not good enough to play the 2 when Self likes two combos out there.
So in what terms are you talking then ? - - -JCL better Fg % then Och ( 43.5 to 42 % ) - - a lot better ft % then Och ( 86.1 % to 68.9 % ) - - Better 3 pt shooter then Och ( 39.5 % to 37.7 % ) so really where would he not be as good ? - - neither one really plays defense that well. - -Och didn’t turn the ball over as much is really the only area where he is better then JCL. - -assists ration is a wash - - Steals are a wash -I think they pretty much balance one another out
Ah! We’re just talking past each other. By ball skills I mean handling and passing, stuff that point guards usually do. I don’t like JCL or Ochai playing on the ball at all. So I think they’re the same position, and I think we agree on that!
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Averaging 6 mpg for Louisville. About 11 points, 11 rebounds, and 7.5 fouls per 40. Has yet to record a block or steal in 48 minutes played.
I do not think he would have cracked the floor for us this year.
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@Kcmatt7 LOL reading some opinions just above about Ochai that I probably would have agreed with at the time they were written!
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@Kcmatt7 said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
Averaging 6 mpg for Louisville. About 11 points, 11 rebounds, and 7.5 fouls per 40. Has yet to record a block or steal in 48 minutes played.
I do not think he would have cracked the floor for us this year.
Probably wouldn’t have, but he was also a popular pick as redshirt candidate this year anyway so I don’t think it would’ve been much of a shock to anyone. Personally, I think I’d still rather have Curry than Cam Martin because as we saw in the exhibition game, Cam doesn’t have P5 athleticism at all and made McCormack look like Andrew Wiggins athletically. Even though Cam is far more skilled than Curry, the lack of athleticism is going to negate a lot of his skill at this level next season and I wouldn’t be surprised if he transfers down to a low major school. Curry on the other hand has freakish athleticism for someone his size. Curry would’ve been a great piece to bring off the bench behind Clemence next season for his rebounding alone.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree with your post except for Cam transferring. I think he knows his limits and will accept being a role player. I may be wrong but I think Cam just wants to be a part of a big time basketball team to close out a great career
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@Oldmanhawk said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree with your post except for Cam transferring. I think he knows his limits and will accept being a role player. I may be wrong but I think Cam just wants to be a part of a big time basketball team to close out a great career
I don’t think Cam sees the floor at all next season either. KU’s going to have Zach Clemence, KJ Adams, possibly Jalen Wilson all returning along with adding Ernest Udeh and Zuby Ejiofor means Martin probaby doesn’t see the floor next season. Also throw in a loss of scholarship, which is pretty likely based on the NC State IARP ruling, and Self may find himself in a situation where he has to get rid of a player to stay in compliance. If the roster situation as far as who stays, who returns, and who comes into the program ends up at 13 players, Cam Martin is the most likely option for transfer out because Self won’t keep a player who’s not good enough to play at KU when there’s a scholarship reduction.
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I hope it does not happen but I can see it taking place in the circumstances mentioned in the post.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 No doubt Mitch would redshirt again for a couple of years to help us absorb the loss of any scholarships…
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@Texas-Hawk-10 just don’t think he resshirts then transfers. Can’t imagine Self doing that either
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@Oldmanhawk said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
@Texas-Hawk-10 just don’t think he resshirts then transfers. Can’t imagine Self doing that either
Cam is redshirting this year so he can finish his career elsewhere. Who would Cam play over next season? He already lost out to Jalen Wilson, Zach Clemence, and KJ Adams and Self has a couple of bigs coming in 2022 that are higher ranked and regarded than Clemence and Adams were. Cam is also currently sitting at 13th or 14th on the depth chart which is why he’s redshirting this season and if KU only has 12 scholarships available next season, very real possibility by the way, Cam is the odd man out in that situation as well.
And if you think Self won’t force a transfer if needed, then you’re either very naive or just don’t pay much attention because Self has run many players off who weren’t good enough to play at KU.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t think I’m very naive and I do pay attention. That’s just my thoughts on the matter. We’ll see
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@Oldmanhawk said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
@Texas-Hawk-10 just don’t think he resshirts then transfers. Can’t imagine Self doing that either
Cam is redshirting this year so he can finish his career elsewhere. Who would Cam play over next season? He already lost out to Jalen Wilson, Zach Clemence, and KJ Adams and Self has a couple of bigs coming in 2022 that are higher ranked and regarded than Clemence and Adams were. Cam is also currently sitting at 13th or 14th on the depth chart which is why he’s redshirting this season and if KU only has 12 scholarships available next season, very real possibility by the way, Cam is the odd man out in that situation as well.
And if you think Self won’t force a transfer if needed, then you’re either very naive or just don’t pay much attention because Self has run many players off who weren’t good enough to play at KU.
My question to that is - - If Cam isn’t good enough to play at KU - - then why did he offer or accept Cam in the 1st place. Why did he waste a Scoli on Cam LAT YR if he didn’t think he was good enough. Just curious guess there is alot of Naive people out here
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@Texas-Hawk-10 just don’t think he resshirts then transfers. Can’t imagine Self doing that either
Cam is redshirting this year so he can finish his career elsewhere. Who would Cam play over next season? He already lost out to Jalen Wilson, Zach Clemence, and KJ Adams and Self has a couple of bigs coming in 2022 that are higher ranked and regarded than Clemence and Adams were. Cam is also currently sitting at 13th or 14th on the depth chart which is why he’s redshirting this season and if KU only has 12 scholarships available next season, very real possibility by the way, Cam is the odd man out in that situation as well.
And if you think Self won’t force a transfer if needed, then you’re either very naive or just don’t pay much attention because Self has run many players off who weren’t good enough to play at KU.
My question to that is - - If Cam isn’t good enough to play at KU - - then why did he offer or accept Cam in the 1st place. Why did he waste a Scoli on Cam LAT YR if he didn’t think he was good enough. Just curious guess there is alot of Naive people out here
How many other times has Self brought in someone hoping they’d be able to contribute, but didn’t end up living up to expectations? Charlie Moore being the main example in regards to a transfer. Cam’s lack of athleticism was not an unknown issue, but Self was likely hoping that Cam’s skill level was high enough to overcome his lack of athleticism since Cam is a big man that can make outside shots. Self was basically hoping Cam could be a poor man’s Dedric Lawson. It likely became pretty clear early on that wasn’t going to be the case with Cam so he takes the redshirt this year to preserve his eligibility and we’ll likely see him at a low major school next season like an Ohio Valley school where he originally played his freshman season.
It’s a situation where it didn’t work out as hoped, both sides are being mature about it and Self will help Cam find a good landing spot for next season so he can finish his career somewhere other than the bench.
We’ve also seen this situation plenty where Self signs a freshman, they don’t develop as much as expected, and Self helps them find a lower level school where they can thrive at. Cam Martin isn’t the first time a situation like this has happened with Self and it won’t be the last time either. Kyle Cuffe will be another to watch as well as he works on his recovery and basically not playing basketball for 2 years if he’s able to get to a level where he can play meaningful minutes at KU.
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We really need a covid topic, hard to find you guys. @approxinfinity are you and your fam doing ok?
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So, if a reduction in schollys is in the works just get an NIL deal that is lucrative enough to pay the tuition for a kid instead of a forced transfer. I’m sure someone can get creative and find a work-around to any potential penalty. Isn’t that what schools have been doing all along anyway?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
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@Texas-Hawk-10 just don’t think he resshirts then transfers. Can’t imagine Self doing that either
Cam is redshirting this year so he can finish his career elsewhere. Who would Cam play over next season? He already lost out to Jalen Wilson, Zach Clemence, and KJ Adams and Self has a couple of bigs coming in 2022 that are higher ranked and regarded than Clemence and Adams were. Cam is also currently sitting at 13th or 14th on the depth chart which is why he’s redshirting this season and if KU only has 12 scholarships available next season, very real possibility by the way, Cam is the odd man out in that situation as well.
And if you think Self won’t force a transfer if needed, then you’re either very naive or just don’t pay much attention because Self has run many players off who weren’t good enough to play at KU.
My question to that is - - If Cam isn’t good enough to play at KU - - then why did he offer or accept Cam in the 1st place. Why did he waste a Scoli on Cam LAT YR if he didn’t think he was good enough. Just curious guess there is alot of Naive people out here
How many other times has Self brought in someone hoping they’d be able to contribute, but didn’t end up living up to expectations? Charlie Moore being the main example in regards to a transfer. Cam’s lack of athleticism was not an unknown issue, but Self was likely hoping that Cam’s skill level was high enough to overcome his lack of athleticism since Cam is a big man that can make outside shots. Self was basically hoping Cam could be a poor man’s Dedric Lawson. It likely became pretty clear early on that wasn’t going to be the case with Cam so he takes the redshirt this year to preserve his eligibility and we’ll likely see him at a low major school next season like an Ohio Valley school where he originally played his freshman season.
It’s a situation where it didn’t work out as hoped, both sides are being mature about it and Self will help Cam find a good landing spot for next season so he can finish his career somewhere other than the bench.
We’ve also seen this situation plenty where Self signs a freshman, they don’t develop as much as expected, and Self helps them find a lower level school where they can thrive at. Cam Martin isn’t the first time a situation like this has happened with Self and it won’t be the last time either. Kyle Cuffe will be another to watch as well as he works on his recovery and basically not playing basketball for 2 years if he’s able to get to a level where he can play meaningful minutes at KU.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Welcome Sydney Curry!:
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@Texas-Hawk-10 just don’t think he resshirts then transfers. Can’t imagine Self doing that either
Cam is redshirting this year so he can finish his career elsewhere. Who would Cam play over next season? He already lost out to Jalen Wilson, Zach Clemence, and KJ Adams and Self has a couple of bigs coming in 2022 that are higher ranked and regarded than Clemence and Adams were. Cam is also currently sitting at 13th or 14th on the depth chart which is why he’s redshirting this season and if KU only has 12 scholarships available next season, very real possibility by the way, Cam is the odd man out in that situation as well.
And if you think Self won’t force a transfer if needed, then you’re either very naive or just don’t pay much attention because Self has run many players off who weren’t good enough to play at KU.
My question to that is - - If Cam isn’t good enough to play at KU - - then why did he offer or accept Cam in the 1st place. Why did he waste a Scoli on Cam LAT YR if he didn’t think he was good enough. Just curious guess there is alot of Naive people out here
How many other times has Self brought in someone hoping they’d be able to contribute, but didn’t end up living up to expectations? Charlie Moore being the main example in regards to a transfer. Cam’s lack of athleticism was not an unknown issue, but Self was likely hoping that Cam’s skill level was high enough to overcome his lack of athleticism since Cam is a big man that can make outside shots. Self was basically hoping Cam could be a poor man’s Dedric Lawson. It likely became pretty clear early on that wasn’t going to be the case with Cam so he takes the redshirt this year to preserve his eligibility and we’ll likely see him at a low major school next season like an Ohio Valley school where he originally played his freshman season.
It’s a situation where it didn’t work out as hoped, both sides are being mature about it and Self will help Cam find a good landing spot for next season so he can finish his career somewhere other than the bench.
We’ve also seen this situation plenty where Self signs a freshman, they don’t develop as much as expected, and Self helps them find a lower level school where they can thrive at. Cam Martin isn’t the first time a situation like this has happened with Self and it won’t be the last time either. Kyle Cuffe will be another to watch as well as he works on his recovery and basically not playing basketball for 2 years if he’s able to get to a level where he can play meaningful minutes at KU.
I’m just saying here right now - -I bete he sticks. Could be wrong , if I am - -then I am - but I bet he sticks. we have’t seen him in any minutes to speak of yet so we can’t make a judgement of that - -that is all
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Curious what will happen with Cam. Obviously… who we recruit and who stays is a part of this. But also… could he become a gym rat and build a higher level of athleticism over this year? It has been known to happen… thinking Jeff Withey.
Still been good having him. An experienced practice teammate. Just having his age and wisdom on the team can help other young bucks. Also, having a practice big that can shoot from outside is good practice for David, Mitch and others to learn to guard the trey line. It would be great if we had another big to go to this year (if we even play again) but our overall depth is good and Self needs to find minutes for players anyways.
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@drgnslayr Jeff Withey was a stick who needed help with coordination more than anything to address his issues. Cam Martin is a very thick individual who has a completely different body type than Withey. Cam is built and plays a similar game to Dedric Lawson, obviously not as good overall and makes Dedric look like very athletic by comparison.
There’s multiple reasons for why I don’t see him staying after this season. As I’ve said in a previous post, who would Martin play over next season? Unless Zach Clemence figures out how to guard someone, he’s stuck at the 5 spot, KJ Adams is an undersized 5 and both have already passed Cam on the depth chart, Ernest Udeh is a 5 and probably going to be ahead of Cam as well.
You also have the IARP ruling looming and based on NC State’s outcome, a loss of scholarship seems pretty likely for KU. If KU only has 12 scholarships to play with, Cam Martin is a likely candidate to be the odd man out if Self has to force someone out to be compliance. Self has 4 committed for 2022, MJ Rice is a question mark to show up, and KU currently has 5 guys on their way out. Coleman-Lands, Lightfoot, and R. Martin are all super seniors and McCormack and Agbaji are both seniors. KU would need another player to leave early or transfer out, Braun or Wilson are options in order to make room for Cam Martin with no other roster changes.
I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that Cam Martin won’t be at KU next season, but I don’t think he redshirts this season if he was okay with ending his career as a bench warmer. To me, this redshirt is a sign that Martin took a chance, didn’t work out the way he wanted, and will be able to finish his career at a low or mid major where he’ll be a starter or play big minutes next season.
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I see the same likelihood as you. I didn’t factor in the IARP prediction, but find it likely and he could be the one who gets cut.
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Withey was a pure footer with volleyball background.
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Sydney had some good moments against Duke on Saturday. Played a lot probably due to his big body and athleticism against Duke’s imposing front line. I’ve seen him play sparingly in a few others so wonder what’s been going on there. Can’t shoot a lick from the line but he’s an athletic body we sure could have used this season down low. Got into it with Duke players a few times after some hard plays/fouls. The fact we got Cam and let him go to Louisville seems like a bad trade off. Who knows for sure. Just a few observations after watching that game Saturday.
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@BeddieKU23 does he get much time?
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Played 15 minutes on Saturday. 8 pts, 1 board. Shoots 74% from the floor and worse then Doke at the FT line (44%). Knows how to finish at the rim, not much of a rebounder or rim protector. His playing time has been very sporadic. Had a two game stretch where he played a lot and did well on the box score (season high 22 and 10 against NC St). Avg 10 minutes a game.
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I saw a lil of the game. Probably wouldn’t beat out Mitch, u think?
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No I don’t think what he does well would have been valued here. Maybe he gets more PT with the coaching change now. He was their only big that did much of anything down low against that 2some of Banchero & Williams. One play that stuck out was he drove baseline on Williams the monster shot blocker and pinned him on the backboard while reversing to get an athletic layup. Also got fouled (actually absolutely clobbered) on a running start play where he tried to take the rim off only to get taken out in mid air and Williams blocked it from behind. No foul on the play, way too much contact for play on imo. That game was getting awful chippy
