KState game thread
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@Jhawk69 Historically, KJ has not been a good rebounder. But he’s been trending up over the season, rather significantly.
In the 3 games before he got hurt, KJ averaged 7.7 rebounds. It’s disappointing it’s taken this long (4th year), but if he can keep up this pace, and average 7-8 boards per game here on, I think that would reduce a lot of the criticism he’s been receiving.
I’m not smart enough to figure out how to upload an image here: 
But the increase in his rebounding rate looks nice.
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Got to thinking/wondering— what if ? - - What if we could of hung onto Zuby ?-- -would there of been any chance of him playing some four at KU ?-- Sure could use his scoring = – & Rebounding -rim protection.-- Plays for St Johns —14.5 ppg - - -8.2 rpg- - - -2 blocks per----- has 38 blocks on the year-- – 57 % fga- - -68.9 ft %.-- I realize different position that he is playing now but I think he still would be a sweet piece , hated to see him go
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@BShark said in KState game thread:
On rewatch, I understand why Rylan didn’t get a ton of run. He was very slow getting back in transition after rebounds etc…
OK, so having watched Rylan play so far this season, doesn’t he seem like an awkward athlete?
He has as a smooth, fluid shot, but otherwise he seems to be fighting his body when he runs around.
Dribbling is not a strength.
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What speaks volumes is the fact that I couldn’t stay awake watching this game. It was as flat as a Dutch pancake.
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@Jhawk69 AMEN!
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@drgnslayr Whatever happened to the good old days when we would just get out and run & Run & Run
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@SlimShaddy54 Roy left.
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@tundrahok ya that’s what I was thinking exactly, miss those days
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in KState game thread:
@BShark said in KState game thread:
On rewatch, I understand why Rylan didn’t get a ton of run. He was very slow getting back in transition after rebounds etc…
OK, so having watched Rylan play so far this season, doesn’t he seem like an awkward athlete?
He has as a smooth, fluid shot, but otherwise he seems to be fighting his body when he runs around.
Dribbling is not a strength.
Rylan is a catch and shoot player. I don’t know how this narrative that the 4th best player on Alabama was going to come in and suddenly transform into a star player. His best games for KU have been when catch and shoot has been his first role and he plays off of that.
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@approxinfinity said in KState game thread:
@Jhawk69 i dont think we can have an elite defense with KJ and Hunt on the floor together. Not against good teams. So, in my mind, the only way to accomplish an elite defense against those teams with KJ on the floor is with Bidunga at the 5 for rebounding and rim protection.
I dont think of KJ as an elite defender because of deficiencies in those areas, unless paired with someone who is a plus in those areas.
We can have a good defense with KJ and Hunter together because we’ve seen it before KJ’s injury. Shak Moore is why the KJ/Hunter paring can be good on defense. It allows Hunter to be able to play drop coverage and be a rim protector.
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@tundrahok i dont think that rebounding rate is sustainable because he still isnt boxing out and collecting defensive rebounds.
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@approxinfinity said in KState game thread:
@tundrahok i dont think that rebounding rate is sustainable because he still isnt boxing out and collecting defensive rebounds. Ulti
Part of it was definitely increased effort after the WVU game but another part of it was match-up based. Especially the UCF game. He likely would have be 3-ish rebounds if he played against KSU imo.
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I think he was on the upside, pt of emphasis
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To me this is evidence that Flory needs to be on the floor until he fouls out. Certainly more time to see if the observed stats hold more water than the predictive stats are accounting for: https://x.com/EvanMiya/status/1877778901545763307/photo/1
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@approxinfinity I don’t see sat’s starting lineup
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@Crimsonorblue22 yeah this graphic looks to be a week stale. Not sure if there is a current one.
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Interesting stat I found mentioned by Derek Johnson on his Twitter is that without KJ, this was the best offensive game this season by points per possession, but also our worst defensive game by points per possession. I have not been able to track down the numbers myself. The best I can find is EvanMiya.com offensive and defensive efficiency.
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@tundrahok said in KState game thread:
@Jhawk69 Historically, KJ has not been a good rebounder. But he’s been trending up over the season, rather significantly.
In the 3 games before he got hurt, KJ averaged 7.7 rebounds. It’s disappointing it’s taken this long (4th year), but if he can keep up this pace, and average 7-8 boards per game here on, I think that would reduce a lot of the criticism he’s been receiving.
I’m not smart enough to figure out how to upload an image here: 
But the increase in his rebounding rate looks nice.
I bet KJ has been reading KUbuckets and realized a hole in his game! Lol
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Our running days were with Roy! Had he decided to recruit from the entire country he might have left a bigger legacy in Lawrence!
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Yeah… hard to imagine having the Zuby/Udeh tandem in the paint now! Maybe Self could have run his original hi/lo with those two!
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I’ll say it again… KJ is the guy who holds the keys to this team! If he can keep trending up to near 10 rpg, defends and helps weak side, then regains confidence in that midrange floater…. He’s an enigma when he’s on his game because he’s so unconventional. But when he’s not on his game he’s a liability and a big ineffective donut hole on this team.
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Self agreed with you in his presser yesterday, didn’t use those words you used but mentioned how much they missed him defensively, his energy and leadership Saturday.
So, an important thing to watch Wednesday is who brings the energy for this team on the road. Storr and Griffen haven’t been assertive there. Flory has flair and brings it. Juan/Hunt/Mayo need to be the catalyst there.
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@drgnslayr said in KState game thread:
Yeah… hard to imagine having the Zuby/Udeh tandem in the paint now! Maybe Self could have run his original hi/lo with those two!
The one time I chatted with those two I tried to get them to imagine being the next great Kansas bigs. Twin towers in the paint as upper class men.
They obviously needed seasoning, but crap Zuby was starting it’s not like he didn’t get run. But run they did.
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@drgnslayr said in KState game thread:
Yeah… hard to imagine having the Zuby/Udeh tandem in the paint now! Maybe Self could have run his original hi/lo with those two!
I honestly wasn’t that bummed about losing Udeh. I think Hunter a better overall player than Udeh. Zuby was always the player I liked more because he was a better overall athlete that Udeh and could eventually play the 4 for Self.
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I like Hunter’s skill set better than Udeh but feel like Udeh is more enthusiastic and enthusiasm is sometimes a problem with this team.
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Yeah Hunter is one of the most boring players to watch in basketball for me. Great at what he does and I’m not complaining about the production, but Udeh is definitely a more exciting player.
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Hunt isn’t as aggressive as he should be getting his shots at the rim. The 3 ball, midrange and short floaters are a big part of his offense. I’ll have to see if there’s numbers of that to back it up.
Edit, found the stats.
Hunter only gets 37% of his shots at the rim and shoots 67% at the rim for a 7’2 guy. 50% of his shots are 2 pt jumpers, the other 12% are 3’s. His shot distribution is out of whack for a guy his size. Self should be correcting this with his scheme that’s built around Hunter.
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Question to everyone: when you have stoic players, like Hunter, who don’t know how to express enthusiasm, does that make our entire team more stiff and less confident on their shots?
I believe the answer is yes.
I don’t know what is in Hunter’s heart. I suspect he feels enthusiasm but has a hard time expressing it. Maybe some of his teammates can help him with that. Could be a very fun thing to practice and I feel sure would help lift the team and promote confidence!
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@drgnslayr said in KState game thread:
Question to everyone: when you have stoic players, like Hunter, who don’t know how to express enthusiasm, does that make our entire team more stiff and less confident on their shots?
I believe the answer is yes.
I don’t know what is in Hunter’s heart. I suspect he feels enthusiasm but has a hard time expressing it. Maybe some of his teammates can help him with that. Could be a very fun thing to practice and I feel sure would help lift the team and promote confidence!
Hunter? Stoic? Not sure you’re looking at the same Hunter as the rest of the world.
Hunter is well known for trying to get under the skin of his opponents, being very vocal and opinionated, and for his cheap shots.
Not sure stoic is the word here.
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@BeddieKU23 said in KState game thread:
Hunt isn’t as aggressive as he should be getting his shots at the rim. The 3 ball, midrange and short floaters are a big part of his offense. I’ll have to see if there’s numbers of that to back it up.
Edit, found the stats.
Hunter only gets 37% of his shots at the rim and shoots 67% at the rim for a 7’2 guy. 50% of his shots are 2 pt jumpers, the other 12% are 3’s. His shot distribution is out of whack for a guy his size. Self should be correcting this with his scheme that’s built around Hunter.
Seems pretty simple to me! Build a scheme around Hunter. 100% agree. Dude can score with ease when he has some space.
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Let me reword that… He lacks animation.
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He moves like a 40-year-old dude at the Y who’s had a hip replacement
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We have the scheme built around him and for post players. He’s getting 60% of his shots outside the area that should be the emphasis for him. I don’t understand any part of that at all. He’s not getting to the free throw line often either which is another sign of non aggressive play. We have a team full of it so it can be spread equally. I’m just shocked this hasn’t been a major point of emphasis in film and then practice for the team.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KState game thread:
He moves like a 40-year-old dude at the Y who’s had a hip replacement
oh , you must be talking about the Great White Sloth- --HUNTERRRRRRRR
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Frank Mason was pretty stoic. Didn’t express a lot of enthusiasm, but players still rallied around him. Especially as his awesomeness increased. BIFM!
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Remember the pic of him and the dude from Michigan State staring each other down? Epic. Mason wouldn’t back down!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KState game thread:
Remember the pic of him and the dude from Michigan State staring each other down? Epic. Mason wouldn’t back down!
When we had dogs like Mario, Frank, Sherron, Tyshawn and Devonte I didn’t worry a lot in close games. You knew they were gong to make a play or set up someone for a play. With one of those guys on the floor we beat WV a few weeks ago in Allen. I’ve said we have been missing a set down and shut up player since Remy and Ochai left. That type of is who refuse to go quietly and makes a big play on the road. Hence making the home crowd “sit down and shut up”. Shak and Storr were those guys tonight.
