Looking back at Hilton
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that about wraps up how how this game went the entire night
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Five guard lineup stinks
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Dickinson should of just stayed home
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@DanR said in Looking forward to Hilton:
Five guard lineup stinks
Because 3 of those 5 are shit defenders.
3 of Harris, Moore, Adams, and Flory need to be on the floor for the defense to be its most effective.
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Well, that was a rough one. We kept staying close and then kept doing stupid stuff.
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This team just is mid af. Talent is there. This is a Bill Self problem
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Give the clowns some credit. They usually fold. Unfortunately, this KU team has no beast mode.
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I told you guys. Leave ISU guards a little space on the perimeter and its an automatic 3.
This game was lost on 50/50 balls. Hopefully a lesson for the squad. On to the next one.
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KU’S collective would like a refund on the Storr fee
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Not an eighteen point losss just gave a total ho hum in the end for sure
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Game got away from KU late, definitely some give up vibes.
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This was the first game I have honest feelings about wanting to move on from Self.
Its scary, and hard to replace a coach like Self.
But it might be time if we are an early out this tourney on his account.
Talent is there.
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One alpha dog on the team, and Bill won’t let the team ride on his shoulders
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I am going to predict - - -Hoston beats Iowa State
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Bill has two of best scorers transfer in from the Big 10. Has a guy who scored 11 ppg from a FF team. A guy who dropped 22 ppg a year ago. The POY from Summit.
And we can’t fucking score.
This one on Bill
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Congrats, ISU. Hope you can handle the heat!
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@DanR who is that? Flory?
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Elite defense. Offense is very much not elite. I don’t think the offense is going to get much better this year unfortunately.
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When Self retires, who would you want to replace him?
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@patoh3 I havent gotten that far yet.
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Disappointing loss and there isn’t a lot of positives to take from it. You just have 3 Sr’s that are very limited offensive players. Mayo not being the focal pt and not realizing just how impactful Flory has been, kind of keeping the team from finding it’s ceiling which has shown itself a lot since December to be low
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Can we hire an offensive coordinator?
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@BeddieKU23 doesnt matter if he is stuck coordinating Hunt Harris and KJ
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The team isn’t jelling. Storr is in desperation mode. Kinda sad to watch. I’m not sure this is Selfs fault. Hunter looks slow. Kj plays his heart out but can’t really score, and now this team is struggling. Mayo is a nice surprise.
I remember before the season, the consensus was that this team was going to suck on D. Actually their D is pretty damn good at times.
Would be hard to see this squad be a potential nat champion, but I’ve decided to chuck expectations and try to enjoy them as they are
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i just dont remember in 2007-2008 ever thinking “man what the hell is Self doing playing x over y?”
Is this a common thing with people watching other teams? Do you think that about players on Wisconsin riding pine @wissox ?
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@Bosthawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
The team isn’t jelling. Storr is in desperation mode. Kinda sad to watch. I’m not sure this is Selfs fault. Hunter looks slow. Kj plays his heart out but can’t really score, and now this team is struggling. Mayo is a nice surprise.
I remember before the season, the consensus was that this team was going to suck on D. Actually their D is pretty damn good at times.
Would be hard to see this squad be a potential nat champion, but I’ve decided to chuck expectations and try to enjoy them as they are
Only thing I would say is they Bill has a very large purse to get “his” guys. NIL changes expectations, fair or not.
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@Bosthawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
The team isn’t jelling. Storr is in desperation mode. Kinda sad to watch. I’m not sure this is Selfs fault. Hunter looks slow. Kj plays his heart out but can’t really score, and now this team is struggling. Mayo is a nice surprise.
I remember before the season, the consensus was that this team was going to suck on D. Actually their D is pretty damn good at times.
Would be hard to see this squad be a potential nat champion, but I’ve decided to chuck expectations and try to enjoy them as they are
Storr isn’t in desperation mode, that’s always been his game. He has always been selfish with the ball and takes a bunch of bad shots and makes dumb passes.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Didn’t know that… that explains his selfish play
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@Texas-Hawk-10 AJ moves his head completely to see ball and man instead of getting in position to see ball and man at same time. I know you coach jr hi boys and I watch jr hi gals. Been awhile since I coached that age. You’re right.
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I’m still in the tweaks not overhaul mode. A couple minutes here, a couple there and all the sudden things look a lot better. As much as I hate to say it because I adore KJ, but if he’s out for a bit we might see some guys step up.
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The defense wasn’t terrible, you won’t beat them while they are shooting 62% from 3 in Hilton. We just had zero answers on offense a combined 10 points for Hunt and KJ won’t win us many games. Silly turnovers and missed FTs at key moments by our 5th year senior PG was definitely disappointing.
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Hunter was soft as baby shit tonight. There’s no reason why he shouldn’t make multiple trips to the FT line every game, but zero tonight.
Other than the FT line, Dejuan wasn’t bad tonight and I don’t put a ton of blame on him for tonight. And this doesn’t mean that he was perfect, but he doesn’t get the majority of the blame tonight the way Hunter does.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Looking forward to Hilton:
I’m still in the tweaks not overhaul mode. A couple minutes here, a couple there and all the sudden things look a lot better. As much as I hate to say it because I adore KJ, but if he’s out for a bit we might see some guys step up.
Game was closer than the final score for sure. It was tight with 6 minutes left and got away. I hope we are done with AJ after this showing and the Diggy minutes baffle me.
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@dylans Bill has to put him on the dang floor for that to happen
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@Bosthawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Didn’t know that… that explains his selfish play
AJ had a 32% usage rate at Wisconsin last season. He is the Temu version of James Harden
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@BShark time to trim up the rotation at this point Coit and AJ should only play a few minutes when need for foul trouble.
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@approxinfinity He’s regressed on roster construction and his scheme
High low with a 5 who’s slow and can’t guard
A 4 who can’t shoot anything but a dunk and can’t rebound
Pg who can’t defend on the ball, can’t attack and can’t score or shoot consistently
Bill’s “guys” are real and he values stuff that doesn’t translate
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Our awesome D held them to 74
Our incredible offense scored a solid 57
You take scorers and teach them to defend and scheme the D up
Bill takes defenders and hopes they magically figure out how to score
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@Texas-Hawk-10 AJ moves his head completely to see ball and man instead of getting in position to see ball and man at same time. I know you coach jr hi boys and I watch jr hi gals. Been awhile since I coached that age. You’re right.
Jr. High kids doing this is fine because it’s the first time for the vast majority to play organized basketball instead of recess or PE basketball. His closeouts suck and that second foul that most were complaining about was a poor technique of wrapping his arms around the guy instead of extending his arms. I teach my players all the time that when they guard like that, a smart player is going to initiate contact a draw a foul every time to take advantage of poor defensive technique.
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@SlimShaddy54 Self made sure we #leveledup #nevergonnahappenagain
Rolls the same 3 guys expecting a different result
Another @$$whoopin on the road to a top 10 team
Man would be nice to actually have a chance to win the conference again
I’m out see you all next year when we have a legit d1 Kansas level pg and pf
Bill sucks at roster construction and coaching guys equally and instilling confidence. Don’t be surprised if Rylan and Storr “are injured” and don’t finish the season
If you aren’t his guy than good effin luck here
He’s gonna ruin dp as well cause he’s past his prime
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@FarmerJayhawk ….gets beat by almost 20 on the road and feels a few tweaks here or there and “we got this boys”
The same rd 32 crew last year is back and everyone expects different results - humanity truly is dumb
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@kuballin10 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@SlimShaddy54 Self made sure we #leveledup #nevergonnahappenagain
Rolls the same 3 guys expecting a different result
Another @$$whoopin on the road to a top 10 team
Man would be nice to actually have a chance to win the conference again
I’m out see you all next year when we have a legit d1 Kansas level pg and pf
Bill sucks at roster construction and coaching guys equally and instilling confidence. Don’t be surprised if Rylan and Storr “are injured” and don’t finish the season
If you aren’t his guy than good effin luck here
He’s gonna ruin dp as well cause he’s past his prime
Don’t let door hit you on the way out.
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@kjayhawks shocking our offense labored yet effin again
That’s all Bill’s said for freaking decades - hey bill maybe be introspective and check your philosophy
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LOL. Goooodbye. Hope you stick to it, might be good for your mentals to not watch.
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@approxinfinity I don’t think so. Not yet anyways. This team lacks effort but I think that will change once Hunter is gone
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@BShark he should take the KU out of his name!
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@approxinfinity Self has always had this
Traylor Morningstar Reed
He’s always had “his guys” that are in his circle of trust that limit the teams ceiling. He values things that don’t translate to scoring
Rather than having his team go play excellent he prefers to “make you play worse”. Already thinking about the other team versus thinking “how can we play our best”.
His entire coaching philosophy has been bad but he’s been successful due the greatest home court of all time and we did get talent even if he didn’t always play it
He picks some guys to encourage and give huge leashes and other guys he can’t stand and pulls with 1 eff
I’m telling you Rylan ain’t happy and his sick of this crap
Others on the team are pissed at what kj, hunt and Juan get away with and the going on three years of L’s is ZERO proof they are WINNERS
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14 point differential on FT’s made and 3 more 3 pointers made were the difference. Actual shots were exactly the same total at 59. We actually shot 3 more 3 pointers than they did. We had 14 less shots at the charity stripe. Getting to the line and then making them along with reducing stupid TO’s and fouls would solve our problems. Wish it was as easy as saying it. I don’t understand why we cannot get fouls called when we drive into the paint.
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Tweet Derek Johnson - so telling. Self isn’t tanking his legacy he values defense over offense and schemes that don’t translate to today. You all can see it with minimal bball knowledge which says plenty
Kansas has lost 41 games in the Bill Self era at Kansas by 13 or more points (average of about 2/season)
However, 12 of those have come in the last 2.5 seasons
