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@SlimShaddy54 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:
Kinda funny , Gurly talking with Coach in post game and Gurly asked Coach what he thought the difference was today ? - -He said he think they were a pissed off team ( KU ) - -I said the same thing , I think the guys were just pissed off
Probably not a good idea to accidentally drop the confetti on the team you hope to upset in the pre-game shoot around. Might be a minor motivator.
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So you all think this might be a starting five that can really get these guys to click and a regular basis ? - -Moore, /juan-- -KJ- - - Hunter ā -& Mayo ?
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@SlimShaddy54 yes. Also the hunter 25 minutes kj 23 minutes flory 20 minutes usage was great
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@Crimsonorblue22 right Iām just saying that they clearly didnāt show up against WV or Mizzou for matter. Rewatch those games and todayās. Tell me which one we are actually going after loose balls and rebounds.
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@SlimShaddy54 it worked well today so I wouldnāt change it, Rylan seem to be better off the bench in this one. Iām thinking Storr will start to step it up and take most of Diggys minutes.
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Wonder if Moore getting the start was matchup based, UCF runs a 3-guard lineup so matching that could have been what they thought was the best move. Perhaps also signaling a scheme change on offense given the struggles there? What doesnāt make much sense is how he played 2 minutes in the previous game then gets his first start and most minutes of the season in this one. I would say he did fine, the 6 assists were a plus including the dime he dropped into Flory for a dunk, he also made a couple 3ās late in the game to show off his shooting.
I want to see āmoreā from Moore since he is such an unknown still. Iām still picturing this aggressive driving guard that will give us an element we donāt have who can put pressure on defenses and get to the line/finish/get Hunt/Flory/KJ easy baskets. Iām hoping thatās what he can provide on that side of the ball while being a pesky defender on the perimeter to go with Harris.
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UCF seems like a roller coaster team. Have wins over Kenpom #12 and #14 teams (Texas A&M & Texas Tech) including the Tech game on the road in their previous game and then they come home and get walloped by 51. At least from the jump KU came out throwing punches and they didnāt have the same juice. UCF is #81 Kenpom so the metrics donāt think too highly of them so not sure what to take from this win in the bigger picture. It was a great response from the West Virginia game. Self got their attention and I hope it was the turning point to seeing this level of play more often.
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Next opponent Arizona St has two five-star freshman KU recruited to various degrees in Joson Sanon & Jayden Quaintance. Kenpom #57 team with #34 ranked defense so weāll see how we do against a top 40 defense. Their leading scorer is a 6ā9 big who can shoot the 3 (38%) and loves to get to the FT line. Hopefully we bring some of the same juice as yesterday at home this time and make another statement.
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@BeddieKU23 They were around 60 before this loss iirc. This was obviously an insane game. KU jumped 5 spots which basically never happens this late in the season.
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@BShark I saw that in the Ken Pom rankings too. Never seen it before with a team ranked so highly at this point of a seasonāwe jumped from 13 to 8.
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An historic one-off type game, thatās crazy. I know this UCF team is better than they showed yesterday as Iāve watched them play a few times and have seen a much higher level of play from them. They just seemed shellshocked by the level of activity from KU which was a 360 from our previous game.
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KU just came our really aggressive from the start ,We just looked like we played angry ball, just dominant. KJ NINE REBOUNDS ? Iāll take that all day long , the question being where has this been all this time ?- -hopefully it continues, really like Shaq in the line up good play , really like the make up of the team yesterday,
Coach said that chances are we will see more of Hunter and Flory together, Flory being mobile and able to guard out on the floor.- - Love Flory being an athlete, King Mcclure told KU fans not to get used to seeing Flory long. - -I do think Flory will be NBA - -but I also think he will be back for his 2nd year , after that all bets are off lol.
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@SlimShaddy54 Amazing what rebounding effort does for a team!
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@SlimShaddy54 that block and transition dunk was something special.
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GOOD NEWS / BAD NEWS
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Hunt went hunting. Great to see him play aggressively and it paid huge dividends.
KJ showed effort. I almost passed out when seeing him seal off the boards. Who does he think he is? Charles Barkley? 9 rebounds! As I mentioned beforeā¦ we wonāt lose many games where he grabs around 10 boards.
Juan was Juan. He went with the flow and was the glue guy. Great!
Moore defended. It helped lift our guys up and they all showed more energy! Offense starts with defense! A+
Flory owns everyone. I thought he had 10 blocks because he was so dominant! This guy needs more minutes!
AJ fit a bit better. Didnāt look so lost out there and found ways to contribute. Positive sign!
Rylan brought offense! This is what he can do! BAM!
Zeke was human after all. Not big scoring numbers but huge assists and aiding team basketball.
Diggy helped more than the stat sheet. Cold from outside but he gave us great energy off the bench.
This was an example of how we can play when we come prepared for a game! Energy was great and played team basketball!
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UCF played horribly. We deserve some of the cred for making that happen but not all. Their body language was horrible and they didnāt put up any kind of fight. My takeaway is they made us look better than we are. We will run into tougher dog fights that will better test where we areā¦
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It starts with defense! Moore and Flory are big sparks! KJ can be, too, when he hustles! Having those guys focus on D makes us a tough bunch to beat and it translates to everyone playing tougher D. Offense comes naturally when playing good D.
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We saw today why we were picked #1 preseason which is this roster is loaded. I wasnāt familiar with Shak, Griffen, Storr, Coit or Zeke. I kept hearing KU fans will love Flory because he can run the court and has a big motor. We can now add fast learner to that list. I saw that opponents played him very physically which I thought he resented and now doesnāt work as a tactic. Not a lot of floor time for him but he picked up the defense quickly and true to his smarts played it to the max. As weāve seen he takes ownership of mistakes and thatās a big reason why he is so good. I mentioned before his presence on the floor especially defensively frees up the big dog to be in rebound position and make his top level outlet passes. Can we imagine him as a 14/10/4 guy? Shak played a sneaky good game and will be a huge difference maker as a ball handler, passer, scorer and all around speed demon. Will Storrs, who was projected to be our big guard perimeter defender who could even guard a 4 if needed and Griffen who has been in the big time take over and run with it now with penetration and bombs away? Juan may finally get the pieces we were hoping for and stir up a storm. Big time defender type teams like ISU and Houston canāt shut us down when our guys are as good or better than theirs. But it was just one game. One 50 point beat down game. Which is more impressive/surprising our 99 or their 48?
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We need to make sure we get a 2nd year from Flory. Huntās NIL goes to him, whatever it takes. Pairing him with DP and whoever else next year could be scary. Those highlights from yesterday are a glimpse of his future. Sure, he canāt really shoot outside 4 feet right now and KUās system is absolutely setup for a guy with his attributes to flourish. Heās a plus defender, plus athleticism and finishes at the rim at an elite level so far (81.6%). I donāt know how draftable he is right now, as is but Iām certainly paying attention now if he strings more of these kind of games together. The lightbulb has certainly come on for him and is fun to watch.
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@Zabudda I remember in his preseason interview his reason for wanting to come to Kansas was to be coached by Bill Self. He has total respect for him.
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To be able to finish at the rim 81%. Come on now, to do that you are finishing through contact which is usually a learning process for freshmen. To be already able to play at the level he does thank goodness. I canāt define his level as it keeps going up.
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I like interesting stats and Flory is certainly giving us some. Heās missed 9 shots this season. Obviously heās a low volume guy yet thatās out of 49 shots. That seems to indicate a brain that is either afraid Bill will yank him if he misses or a brain that tells him, Iām only shooting if I know Iāll make it. I wish I had a brain like that when I play basketball!
Heās being compared to Doke and his 46% FT shooting is on par with Doke. Not many guys have a FT % that is over 30% lower than their FG%.
Yesterday he padded his blocks stat, but he now is averaging 1.2 per game. Thatās a nice number for most players, but he does that while averaging 13 minutes per game.
If you extrapolate his fouls he would be fouling out every game if he played 40 minutes a game. Maybe coaches are like donāt worry about fouls because youāre not playing enough minutes for you to foul out, but 2 fouls per 13 minutes is a lot.
Before we send him off to the NBA heās had some recent ādudsā. They coincided with the losing streak in December coupled with the win against NCS. 3 points total in those three games. Those three games are his only games in which heās scored less than 6 points.
I hope he stays obviously. I also hoped Grady and Johnny would have stayed as well and that didnāt go so well. Pay the man so we see him here another year or three!
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@BeddieKU23 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:
An historic one-off type game, thatās crazy. I know this UCF team is better than they showed yesterday as Iāve watched them play a few times and have seen a much higher level of play from them. They just seemed shellshocked by the level of activity from KU which was a 360 from our previous game.
It basically takes a perfect storm for a game like that. It was a good match-up for KU to begin with and then UCFās gameplan on both ends made little sense.
Oh and listen to this https://x.com/LetMeC00k/status/1876307386509709454
Itās audio so you do have to go to the app to listen but Bill talks about how teams donāt have to respect KJās jump shot and that he is limited.
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@BShark yep thatās old news
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@BShark Yet he still gives him a ton of minutes and draws up plays for him constantly and at crucial times
Make it make sense (you canāt)
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@approxinfinity said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:
Iāll say it so @kuballin10 doesnt have to: Self used his personnel well today. People were used in the roles they were intended to be used and they responded.
I love Shak - quick, defends and PUSHES the ball up the floor and ATTACKS (heās the opposite of d2)
I wouldnāt get too high or think itās fixed because kj and Juan were guarded. UCF didnāt follow wvu, creighton or muās scout but no shock because dukies are never as bright as they think of themselves
Does Bill practice guys not guarding kj or staying in the paint in practice or guys playing way off Juan?
Nice false hope W but the next gauge game is at Cincy and at isu to see how much weāve magically improved (was a good bounce back but donāt get too high from it)
Itās comical as Bill hates giving up easy baskets but we do constantly against pnr and Bill loves man to man and hates junk dās or zoneā¦ā¦.YET
Heās getting schooled by guys literally not guarding his favorites! Haha Iāve been doing this since coaching ball entirely.
Modern defense is two options:
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Let the 4-5 option on offense shoot and barely guard them unless they set foot in the paint. They hit 2-3 threeās great let them shoot 20-30 times because they will hesitate knowing it isnāt their āroleā on the team - what teams do to KJ and Juan
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let the main guy shoot 40 times and score 50 but stop everyone else or hold them to 10 points (offensively score 70 and win 70-60) - this is the Edey mode let him shoot everytime. He may make 50% but glue to everyone else and you win
The standard ātough man to manā is completely dead. Basketball is following football just way behind. Make guys beat you with their weak offensive guys (Bill Belicheck methods)ā¦ā¦if Creighton can school Bill than anyone on This board knows how to defeat this squad this year
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I think the reasonable thing to do is to take the wins with a grain of salt and go into panic mode over the losses.
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@Jhawk69 Love the sarcasm here but typically we have 1 random dumb loss in dec non con before break and 1-2 random losses in big 12 play while typically holding serve at home
Weāve been beat in the second round a lot and had a ton of blowout losses dating back these 2-3 years and the same issues are reoccurring
When you see that same playbook ran at us with no adjustments and more Lās than ever (20-14 in 2024) it causes concern
As a program it is unfortunately trending down and we all know whatās coming in March - second round or sweet 16 loss as we have no real shot to win a title (with teams like isu, Florida, uk, tenn, aub, Bama, Marquette)
We are that 12-20 range especially in the tourney
Thatās frustrating for the expectations of this progrum
We supposedly have the best coach in the game, great nil, no ncaa over our head now for a few years and weāre supposed to be āthe teamā as Bill road off into the sunset with 1-2 more wins - because everyone wants to play for him nowā¦.
This was all after 2022ās win and look at what weāve rolled out now for 3 straight yearsā¦ā¦it has been the opposite of the motto #levelup which was after Billās heart issues
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We had a good team in 2023. We won a brutal Big 12, were in the top 5 all year, and were a one seed. Using an early tourney exit to try to say otherwise is an illogical argument. Anyone can get bounced early.
We sucked last year.
We will have to see how we play this year. We have had highs and lows already and it is too early to say. My guess is that we are better than last year but far from being one of Billās best squads.
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@Jhawk69 The big 12 has shown it is anything but brutal with all the ncaa tourney proof year over year. Besides Texas techās run pre covid and Baylorās covid magic - big 12 is constantly underperforming in the tourney
If weād beat Ark weād been trounced by uconn the next round as many fans have admitted
We didnāt have a legit team in 2023 to win it all with Juan and kj playing big minutesā¦.
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@kuballin10 You are right. If you disregard the Big 12s tournament success then they have underperformed, proving that it is a weak conference.
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You are also right about us being plagued by the same issues time and time again. Last year we were plagued by McCullar getting hurt, Arterio getting kicked off the team, and Timberlake being terrible. This year McCullar is still hurt and not playing, Arterio is still kicked off the team, and Timberlake is still terrible.
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Hey some things are still the same but letās not talk about those because no way the coach has ever screwed up lineups, minutes or rewarding guys with low ceilings or major issues
Let me know who on this roster is an nba player (hint there is 1 and only 1)
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Looking on the bright side we are undefeated in 2025 and have an average victory of 51 points good for number 1 in the world!
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Yeah its hard to be bummed about KU basketball at this particular moment.
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@approxinfinity Do you feel like we honestly have a real chance to make a final 4 and win a title this year?
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@kuballin10 yes i do.
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Yes? Auburn look good but who else are you really scared of that makes you think they canāt? KUās biggest opponent is themselves and there is no reason that they canāt improve to the point where they are competing for a 1 seed. Not going to say it is a lock to happen, but there is definitely a āreal chanceā.
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@MR11 What have you see this year from this group that makes you feel like the year wonāt end like last year or the year before?
Every team in the coaches poll 1-12 is better than us and weād face them in the sweet 16. I think we are a 3-5 seed so weād face the 4/5 rd 32 and the 1 by the sweet 16ā¦ā¦
Our ceiling is making the sweet 16
Our most likely out is another second round drubbing or we keep it close but just canāt score enough when it counts (go figure welcome to 2025 college ball)
Nightmare is Sanford like team actually nips us
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Because our best player isnāt injured forcing us to start a failed transfer and two freshmen that arenāt quite ready. I also think it is reasonable to expect the team to continue to gel and improve through B12 play.
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The team we saw vs UCF would have destroyed our team that limped into the post season last year
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@approxinfinity said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:
The team we saw vs UCF would have destroyed our team that limped into the post season last year
And no KUKaren is going to tell me otherwise!!!
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I was very encouraged to see Storr contribute in some way. Most of his shots were not created for him, but by him. Seems like from what others have said, thatās his thing.
How can he keep that up in the flow of regular offense?
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@MR11 So you are confident and believe we will win the big 12?
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@dylans Haha are we better - sure - by much - no. We are 3-4 in big 12, 3-5 seed and rd 32/swt 16 team
Itās āniceā but that isnāt Kansas standards of having a team that we all know has a legit shot at a title and is a top 5 team
2019 - Auburn blow out
2020 - robbed Doke and Dotson
2021 - USC blowout
2022 - Remy saved Selfās arse but he believes Juan is the greatest pg at KU off all time and KJ impacts games like Ochai moving forward
2023 - Musselman shows he doesnāt workout
2024 - Zags blow out
50% second round blowouts 16% second round tight loss 16% title 16% - I think we make final four not sure we win it all but man that year eats at me
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@approxinfinity I think thatās fair
I also think last year with McCullar healthy we donāt lose the wvu game - he propels us over the top with a defensive play like he did at home against OUā¦.
Donāt have that ability with any of our little 3 or the transfers. Kev is the best nba prospect between last years team and this years (Flory is long-term but not playing at that level like Kev did last year)
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Kind of a leap to get that from what I said, we already dropped a home game and Houston doesnāt have to play at ISU, so winning the regular season B12 is not likely no. But I also donāt think it would be a massive upset if they did (~10% chance based on betting odds does seem about right).
I didnāt even say they will for sure be good enough to compete for a F4, just that is wonāt take miracle for this team to improve to that level. They have shown they can hit that level of play in spurts, but do need some improvements in execution/consistency.
Honestly the main thing I worry about with this team is facing a team that can exploit Hunter on defense, because that is always going to be there.
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@MR11 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:
Yes? Auburn look good but who else are you really scared of that makes you think they canāt? KUās biggest opponent is themselves and there is no reason that they canāt improve to the point where they are competing for a 1 seed. Not going to say it is a lock to happen, but there is definitely a āreal chanceā.
Flip flop flip flopā¦.you are sounding like Cowherd!
Says āyes, we can win the ncaa tourney I mean auburn is the only team that scares youā
āWell thatās a leap where did I ever say weād win the big 12ā - guy who said we got a legit shot and only Auburn scares him than waivers on confidence to win the league
āI didnāt even say they will for sure be good enough to compete for a F4ā - says the guy who answered āyes, this is a final 4 team from what Iāve said and can win it all and only auburn is good. Oh but if we play good but uh uh they only play good in spurts oh but uh uh I swear they can put it all together they can do itā
So which side are you taking because you are hedging every single one
This squad has the core 3 who arenāt good enough unless they had Ochai, Braun, Wilson and Remy around them
This roster isnāt good enoughā¦.not sure why everyone has homer glasses on when it is blatantly obvious
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@kuballin10 our roster in 2022 wasnt good enough to win a championship for 80% of the season, and yet they did
Let it breathe
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@approxinfinity They went 14-4 won the big 12 regular season and won the big 12 tourney and started peaking at the right timeā¦ā¦this team doesnāt have that
Definitely some bumps in the road but there was a distinct change in March that took place
If you think that same distinct change will happen this year let me know the current injured player whoās going to become our leading scorer in our first 3 ncaa tournament games
NCAA rd of 64- 15 points leading scorer
Rd 32 - 20 leading scoring
Sweet 16 - 23 leading scorer
Championship - 14 2nd leading scorer behind Wilson and Big Dave with 15
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@kuballin10 if everything happened based on a script we wouldnt watch
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@kuballin10 You already know who the player is thatās capable of having an Remy like impact if the light ever comes for him like it finally did for Remy, and no heās not injured right now.
I donāt why youāve chosen to a bigger asshole than normal the last couple of days because Iāve never seen someone complain about a 51 point road win in conference before, but chill out and stop being an asshole to people who donāt view things the same way you do.
