Basketball Season
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If the coaches were good they would have their program established and winning by year three. That doesn’t happen at KU.
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Writing off Lance at this point seems like an overreaction.
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This is like listening to a bunch of whiners at a bar talking about divorcing their wives because two weeks after the wedding she burned a steak.
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@mayjay have you been to the grocery store lately??? Do you have any idea how expensive a good steak is??
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@approxinfinity said in Basketball Season:
Writing off Lance at this point seems like an overreaction.
your right my friend - – - -way over reacting holy crap. that always seems to be the answer , especially here at KU.- -The guys simple answer is HELL let’s fire Coach -ya let’s That’s a big part of the problem, you want to end up deep in the depths of that HELL HOLE we were in for over a decade- --you wanna be right back n the pit again and be the kickin can start all over again
ya that’s right let’s start all over again.- - Anyone who has that train of thought doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground for Christs sakes Fire the Coach are you fricken Serious ? – 4 games into a Season and you wanna fire the Coach. Any one who knows anything should flipping know the progress this dam team /program has made since Lance has been here , from where we were BEFORE he got here until now.
But ya let’s fire the Coach and then when we do - - - go to Websters and look up the word continuity , because if we were to fire Coach L we sure the frick don’t have any. - -Did people think that we was going to go from the ol rotted out outhouse to Georgia in three fricken years ?- - ya ok then if you thought that then you can believe me when I tell you that I am going to be the fricken Pope tomorrow too lmao.
Do we need changes ? -hell ya ., - -Does JD have to get better ? -Hell ya , Does our OC have to get better -Hell ya- -but again it isn’t just the offensive side of the ball.- -Our defense has been sucking butter milk late in the game giving up leads -that’s on BORLAND - -THAT’S ON THE DEFENSE
This group is much better then this program was BEFORE Coach L got here – if your someone who is ready to fire the Head Coach after four games and want to be a band wagon fan then maybe your in the wrong place, maybe you need to find a different past time - Maybe you could take up knitting. Now I’m not saying by far I’m any Saint in this - Do I make fricking ridiculous remarks when I’m hot after a loss?- - sure do- -Do I make a complete ass out of myself a lot of times when we lose ? - -yep sure do, cause I’m thinking with my heart and NOT MY HEAD, - -all logic goes right out the window , then after some time when I’ve really had time to think about it I think boy- - - some fan you are. -I’m more then happy with our progress
Were never going to make ANY PROGRESS if w just keep firing Coach’s like Coach L at the drop of a hat-- -recrits look for continuity --stability in continuity not atmospheres where Coach here today - -gone tomorrow-- I mean dam come on
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@nuleafjhawk Nah, we don’t eat steak anymore. I’ve burned too many. Luckily, my wife likes apples and peanut butter.
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@jayballer67 I can’t speak for anyone else here, but I’m not calling for his head right now. He DOES need to get off his ass and do something about the OC. And/or the QB. We don’t NEED a Heisman Trophy QB this year. We need someone who can hand the damn ball to one of our very talented running backs. Run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. If Daniels is going to stay in there (for some unknown reason) - he shouldn’t attempt another pass the rest of the season.
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Real talk Lance should not be on the hot seat at all. This thread is just about where my mental energy is being spent now. I’m excited for basketball season. I may or may not watch more KU football games this year.
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@BShark Q - How can you tell when KU fans are excited for basketball?
A - When it’s Four games into football season.
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Lance isn’t on the chopping block. Didn’t we just give him a trillion dollar contract? Unless he molests an underage cheerleader (doubt we have those) then he’s good for a while.
I still like him. And if this is a problem with our OC I expect him to make a change quickly. It is very clear to everyone this is not the same style offense we had last year.
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thought this blog was about basketball? Says so in the title.
How does everyone feel about this year’s team? Where will our weak areas be?
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@drgnslayr said in Basketball Season:
thought this blog was about basketball? Says so in the title.
How does everyone feel about this year’s team? Where will our weak areas be?
ya it is a basketball thread , somehow e got stuck it the football crao. Your right Coach L is in NO danger , if he is then KU needs to drop the football program
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@drgnslayr read the first post. The thread title is sarcastic.
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@dylans what does this mean? Is he religious and his teammates are wild?
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@approxinfinity It means he has one year of eligibility left next year. lol. I don’t know maybe he’s not getting paid what he thought he would - be it cash, strippers, gambling, whatever.
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@dylans well he came from holy cross. I mean Im not saying you are wrong.
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@dylans Too bad he didn’t decide to sit out before our game! At this point taking a win over a 2nd string QB may have been what we needed to kickstart the season.
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@wissox that comment is borderline nuleaf-ish.
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@nuleafjhawk I’ve always aspired to be nuleaf-ish
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@approxinfinity It turns out he was promised 100k by an assistant coach and he’s getting 3k a month instead.
I would imagine that will impact future recruiting at UNLV - they don’t pay.
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@dylans yeah we can install a couple less bathrooms next year and divert 100k his way next year right?
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@approxinfinity I have no idea what the NIL budget is, but I imagine it’s better than UNLV. KU carries a good rep in that regard.
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Zeke starting according to Bill. Storr or Griffen off the bench.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Basketball Season:
Zeke starting according to Bill. Storr or Griffen off the bench.
Probably Griffen, but a line up with Mayo, Storr, and Dickinson is giving up a lot of points. This is shaping up to be Bill Self’s worst defensive team at Kansas.
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@Kcmatt7 Where’d you see this?
We all know who should go to the bench…
It would be bad if Griffey who started at Bama who was better than us last year comes here and goes to the bench….
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@kuballin10 said in Basketball Season:
@Kcmatt7 Where’d you see this?
We all know who should go to the bench…
It would be bad if Griffey who started at Bama who was better than us last year comes here and goes to the bench….
I seen the exact same thing. They talked with Self and he said if we were to start tomorrow that Zeke would Start for sure as he has been the most consistent payer right now. - -Which leaves the last spot between Griffen & Storr
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@kuballin10 said in Basketball Season:
@Kcmatt7 Where’d you see this?
We all know who should go to the bench…
It would be bad if Griffey who started at Bama who was better than us last year comes here and goes to the bench….
Who in the hell is Griffey ? -This is Basketball – not pro Baseball lmao
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Ah, the bellyaching has already started and we’re still in the first week of official practices. We are SO BACK
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@Kcmatt7 Goodman pod.
Actually upon hearing another clip from it on twitter sounds like he may have said AJ starting instead of KJ.
Juan/Zeke/Aj/Hunt
The 5th spot up for grabs.
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All from the Bill Self summer motivational series. Stay tuned for parts 2 and 3!
And he said KJ…
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@Kcmatt7 said in Basketball Season:
@Kcmatt7 Goodman pod.
Actually upon hearing another clip from it on twitter sounds like he may have said AJ starting instead of KJ.
Juan/Zeke/Aj/Hunt
The 5th spot up for grabs.
No he said KJ . was talking about the team needed shooters around Hunter- - leaving the final spot between Storr & Griffen
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I’ve listened to the podcast and that part 10 times and it sounds like AJ and he moved his mouth to pronounce AJ….but then 10 seconds later he says KJ and you can semi tell the difference but idk.
I think the 4 starters clearly include KJ and that’s who he probably meant to say
Griffey lol…autocorrect got me
Best lineup would be: Mayo, Griffen, AJ, KJ and Hunt……
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Dang was about to upvote until you excluded Dajuan
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@kuballin10 said in Basketball Season:
I’ve listened to the podcast and that part 10 times and it sounds like AJ and he moved his mouth to pronounce AJ….but then 10 seconds later he says KJ and you can semi tell the difference but idk.
I think the 4 starters clearly include KJ and that’s who he probably meant to say
Griffey lol…autocorrect got me
Best lineup would be: Mayo, Griffen, AJ, KJ and Hunt……
That line up is giving up 90 points per game.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Poor ball handling as well. Thankfully we have more guards than that.
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I’m trying to limit my defensive expectations of this team. Praying you are wrong about the 90 ppg.
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Maybe Griffey has some basketball eligibility left and could help us.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Not even close. I think you are thinking of last years team lead by d2 and Hunter gave up 89 to Samford and 89 to Gonzaga.
Mayo better athlete than juan
Griffen better defensively than Murphy
Storr miles better than Mccullar athletically and just needs to give a darn on the defensive end
Kj is kj
Hunt isn’t even that bad it’s how coach schemes him to play ball screens that’s bass ackwards
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@BShark Poor in what ways?
Because we don’t have Juan we’d lose what? Ball reversal guy?
He doesn’t ever get a paint touch off the bounce as he can’t get by his man like tyshawn or mason.
He doesn’t hardly look to shoot so teams play 5 on 4 and pack it in.
Griffen and Mayo create spacing and both can attack better than Juan
The opinion of Juan by the staff is so inflated it’s comical. They act like he’s Tyus Jones when in reality he had the worst play in a title game at the most crucial moment in Kansas bball history. Luckily we defended them up and bailed him out
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@kuballin10 he also had 3 of our 6 steals and a block. Coaches love winners.
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@kuballin10 said in Basketball Season:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Not even close. I think you are thinking of last years team lead by d2 and Hunter gave up 89 to Samford and 89 to Gonzaga.
Mayo better athlete than juan
Griffen better defensively than Murphy
Storr miles better than Mccullar athletically and just needs to give a darn on the defensive end
Kj is kj
Hunt isn’t even that bad it’s how coach schemes him to play ball screens that’s bass ackwards
This is how I know you have no idea what you’re talking about right now. Zeke Mayo is nowhere near as athletic as Harris. Mayo isn’t quick enough to beat Summit League players off the dribble. 90% of his highlights are him doing stepback 3’s because he can’t beat his defenders off the dribble. Mayo was also a black hole on defense in the Summit League, but is suddenly going to be able to defend Big 12 guards like LJ Cryer, Caleb Love, and Jeremy Roach?
Furphy sucked on defense, Griffen is marginally better, but still below average.
AJ Storr might be a better athlete than McCullar is, but it sounds like he’s still not playing any defense and is still a ball hog who might be trying to top his 32% usage rate from last season.
Hunter is slow and unathletic which is why he’s entering year 5 of college instead of year 2 in the NBA. I agree that Dickinson was misused on defense last season and should’ve been used the same way McCormack was down the stretch in 2022. Putting 3 bad defenders in front of him doesn’t hide those weaknesses, it magnifies them and means KU has 4 terrible defenders on the court at the same time.
You’re also right that this group wouldn’t give up 89 to Samford and Gonzaga, they would’ve given up at least 110 in those games.
The offense also isn’t going to be as good as people think because this team still won’t be able to space the floor well enough due to a lack of 3 point shooting to allow Storr to do what he is best at which is drive and draw fouls.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You aren’t wrong about his tapes but he’s still more athletic than Juan. Juan couldn’t beat those guys off the dribble either…you forget how much more athletic and quicker Samford looked - go rewatch it. They sped Juan up easily
Best lineup is
Moore (when healthy)
Mayo
Griffen
Storr
Hunter
Best shooters, scorers and Storr can’t do worse rebounding wise than your favorite rebounder kj
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@kuballin10 said in Basketball Season:
@Texas-Hawk-10 You aren’t wrong about his tapes but he’s still more athletic than Juan. Juan couldn’t beat those guys off the dribble either…you forget how much more athletic and quicker Samford looked - go rewatch it. They sped Juan up easily
Best lineup is
Moore (when healthy)
Mayo
Griffen
Storr
Hunter
Best shooters, scorers and Storr can’t do worse rebounding wise than your favorite rebounder kj
That line up couldn’t stop my middle school team from scoring and isn’t the offensive threat you think it’s going to be. Zeke Mayo isn’t going to be anywhere near the impact player you think he’s going to be. He’s not someone that can play 30 minutes against B12 level competition without being completely exposed on both ends. He wasn’t even SDSU’s lead guard, but you have this weird fascination with shoe horning him into that role here. AJ Storr is Temu James Harden without the 3 point shooting.
I also hate to break this to you, but Harris is the superior shooter at 44% to 42% and a much better 3 point shooter at 39% compared to 31%. Moore does have a better PER than Harris, but his PER is also below average.
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Dajuan, Moore, Griffin, KJ, Hunter.
KJ will not come off the bench.
Bidunga can spell KJ when we need interior defending.
Griffin will learn to be an average defender.
I think this team will be an almost average defensive team, perimeter above average, interior below average, and bench below.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You may be right on Mayo but I’m just going off the smoke coach was giving him on the podcast
Man Self has matured and changed his perspective. The part where he said as a young coach you want guys to run your play your way to score versus as an older coach you give your players guardrails/parameters to play within and let them go make plays - as the older coach.
That is gold right there and hope he takes some of his advice without the quick hooks and “trusting players that lower the teams ceiling”.
Juan shoots 1.2 threes per game so his percentage compared to Moore’s isn’t some argument you think.
There’s a reason Moore’s pers are better and glad you mentioned that
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@approxinfinity If Bill can loosen the reigns and trust Flory I think he comes in for Kj/Hunt and we go 4 guards around him
Curious why you think Storr doesn’t start?
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@kuballin10 A 31% career 3 point shooter is someone I’m not worried about beating me from 3 because odds are they won’t. In regards to PER, Moore’s career PER is 14.2 which is also below average. There’s a reason why Moore has never been a full time starter for mediocre MSU teams.
We all know Harris has his limitations as a player, but none of the other PG’s are a clear upgrade over him. Mayo is probably the best shooter on the team, but he’s a black hole on defense and an average passer and ball handler. He has a role as a spark plug off the bench because of his shooting, but I don’t see much else in his game that translates super well to the P4 level.
Shakeel Moore is a better athlete than Harris and on par with him defensively, but he’s not a shooter and he’s not a great passer and is an overall below average offensive player.
David Coit was also brought in, but if he’s playing relevant minutes this season, something has gone terribly wrong.
The PG with the highest upside in the roster is out for the season amd that’s Elmarko. Hopefully it’s not a Wayne Selden situation where he loses some of his athleticism because of this injury.
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I will say that the roster combo’s are going to be interesting because this going to be a flawed team. Nobody on the roster is close to having a complete skill set for their position. Nobody on this team is top level on both ends of the floor.
If Self says screw defense and wants to outscore people, then roll with Harris, Mayo, Griffen, Storr, and Dickinson. Harris is in that group because you still need someone to initiate the offense.
If Self says screw the offense and goes with a full bad ball line up, then Harris, Moore, Passmore/McDowell, Adams, Bidunga.
