Les Miles



  • Some stuff coming out about sexual harassment allegations.



  • Just to be clear, that’s from his time at LSU, not KU. Doesn’t make it ok, but it’s from 2013.



  • Right. But he works for us now



  • I’m trying not to be naïve, but he wasn’t exactly clean at OSU. And then this. He gets away with a lot because he’s an oddball that comes of whimsical or quirky.

    But clearly he isn’t the choir boy his persona gives off.



  • I’m still concerned about dementia after that first press conference…



  • I’m kind of meh on this. There aren’t really any details to speak of yet. If the report is bad, we’ll deal. If it was a misunderstanding LSU just made go away, fine. Wouldn’t be the first time a current KU coach had allegations of impropriety with a woman not married to him.



  • We were going to church with him during this time. He’d show up about twice a year.



  • @tundrahok Our poor football program never gets a break. 2013 problems just now being reported by the media and KU’s football program gets tarnished as collateral damage. When will KU football get a break?



  • @stoptheflop We will get a break when we get smart and fold it up and concentrate on basketball. One or two decent seasons every 30-40 years isn’t enough.



  • @nuleafjhawk said in Les Miles:

    @stoptheflop We will get a break when we get smart and fold it up and concentrate on basketball. One or two decent seasons every 30-40 years isn’t enough.

    We’re not leaving the Big 12. Packing up and heading to the Big East or whatever would be really, really bad for the university at large. Only one other R1 school in the league (Georgetown) and bunch of R2’s and non-research schools. Sure it would make some fans happy to be Villanova but every alumni and future student would suffer.



  • @FarmerJayhawk I didn’t mean jump to another conference. I meant just quit football altogether. It’s an embarrassment.



  • My guess is unless more details come out that are worse than what has so far - Les and Long will be here in the Fall. About 99% sure that what has come out so far isn’t enough to rally donors to pay off his contract and the Athletics Department doesn’t have the money right now.

    So unless I hear more, I expect Les to still be coaching next season.



  • @nuleafjhawk said in Les Miles:

    @FarmerJayhawk I didn’t mean jump to another conference. I meant just quit football altogether. It’s an embarrassment.

    We would have to. The league requires all members to play, “As an obligation of membership in the Conference, each Member Institution shall meet NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision membership requirements.” https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/handbook/rules.pdf



  • @Kcmatt7 said in Les Miles:

    My guess is unless more details come out that are worse than what has so far - Les and Long will be here in the Fall. About 99% sure that what has come out so far isn’t enough to rally donors to pay off his contract and the Athletics Department doesn’t have the money right now.

    So unless I hear more, I expect Les to still be coaching next season.

    This is my sense as well.





  • I think this problem has been fixed.



  • Hearing Les will be out, and in not a long amount of time.



  • @FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:

    Hearing Les will be out, and in not a long amount of time.

    Very soon, and not NCAA soon lol



  • Get on the phone with Tom Herman now and offer him whatever he wants. No buyout since he’s already getting PAID from Texas and has a pretty crappy job at the moment.



  • This whole situation is just ANOTHER black eye against this University. WHAT THE HELL has happened to our athletic Dept ? - - -We have this fricken NCAA thing hanging over our head in our Basketball - still not knowing what’s going to happen there. NOW with have this dam nasty ass thing with Les. -NOT a good look for this University , makes us look like thugs, hoodlums peverts from old men and Liars.

    Just when we thought we had a glimmer of hope for this Cess Pool of a Football program - -we now have this crap .So what do you do ? - do we just turn our heads and try to ignore and hope this goes away? - you know and I know we can’t do that - this is just ANOTHER kick to the groin for this pitiful football program. - - do we have the money to buy Les out ? heard it’s a 9 million buyout ? - -you know there are many Boosters that could - thing is will they? - just heard them talking about a 2nd investigation from the SCHOOL it’self and man Les sounds like he is in a really bad spot. If this crap happened he has GOT TO GO - -AND GO SOON - - They/People are saying Long’s ass has got to be canned too , because he was on such a Mission just to hire Miles - -didn’t even do a full Coach Search.

    We all know or should know all this means is if it turns out and Les is fired soon or WHENEVER - more likely then not we gonna have probably mass exodus of committed players - -School would have to grant release or should be the thing for the University to do - either way kids will want out - -you tell me , what kid would want to come into this situation total cess pool of a football program not even knowing you your head Coach was going to be - -and were back to square one. -how fricking discourgaging is this - this program will continue to suck be the laughing stock

    What the hell has happened to our sports programs ? - -feel really bad for the kids and few people in the athleteic program that ARE actually trying to do things right. - - REALLY DISCOURGING /FRUSTRATING ready to throws my hands up - WTF ?



  • KU will either fire Les for cause or usher him quietly into retirement. Money people are coming for Long’s head.



  • @FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:

    KU will either fire Les for cause or usher him quietly into retirement. Money people are coming for Long’s head.

    yes sir. Pretty much the way it needs to be - -Both have got to go - sad situation



  • Jeff Long has a good eye for coaching talent, but an absolute shitty eye for character or just no regard for character. This is basically a repeat of what happened to Long at Arkansas and something like this happening is why I’ve never been a big Jeff Long fan and thought it was a bad hire when it happened, and it’s turning out to be a bad hire now. The only silver lining might be if KU end up firing both with cause and saving a few million dollars.



  • @jayballer67

    I agree it’s discouraging. We have now, somehow, scraped below the bottom of the barrel with our football team. On the bright side, so what if there is a mass exodus? We won exactly ZERO games last year. ZERO! In the past decade we have won 18 games. IN TEN YEARS. That’s an average of less than 2 wins per year for the past 10. So, really, who gives rat’s behind about any of this? Scrap it all and start from the beginning. It honestly cannot get worse.

    The fact that this program cannot recruit kids that look like they’ve even played the game before is simply unfathomable to me. Replace everybody and I would wager we can find kids who can win more than 1.8 games per year over the next 10.



  • @tis4tim said in Les Miles:

    @jayballer67

    I agree it’s discouraging. We have now, somehow, scraped below the bottom of the barrel with our football team. On the bright side, so what if there is a mass exodus? We won exactly ZERO games last year. ZERO! In the past decade we have won 18 games. IN TEN YEARS. That’s an average of less than 2 wins per year for the past 10. So, really, who gives rat’s behind about any of this? Scrap it all and start from the beginning. It honestly cannot get worse.

    The fact that this program cannot recruit kids that look like they’ve even played the game before is simply unfathomable to me. Replace everybody and I would wager we can find kids who can win more than 1.8 games per year over the next 10.

    A mass exodus of players means we’re back in a scholarship situation situation similar to what Weis created and Beauty inherited. Without a mass exodus, KU’s scholarship numbers will finally be in line with other FBS programs. A mass exodus screws up not only the total scholarship situation, but the class balance as well which is why it’s taken so long to recover from what Weis did to KU. At this point, I’m convinced Mangino sold KU’s soul in football to try and save his job in 2007.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10

    A rational response to my reflexive take to be sure. I still think we’d be better off cleaning house and starting over, but those pesky details …



  • @tis4tim said in Les Miles:

    @Texas-Hawk-10

    A rational response to my reflexive take to be sure. I still think we’d be better off cleaning house and starting over, but those pesky details …

    Ask and ye shall receive. All but like 10 players are freshmen, eligibility-wise.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:

    Jeff Long has a good eye for coaching talent, but an absolute shitty eye for character or just no regard for character. This is basically a repeat of what happened to Long at Arkansas and something like this happening is why I’ve never been a big Jeff Long fan and thought it was a bad hire when it happened, and it’s turning out to be a bad hire now. The only silver lining might be if KU end up firing both with cause and saving a few million dollars.

    So help me out here cause I seriously don’t know how this works. - So if they could fire them with cause KU wouldn’t have to pay them their money ? - -that would be a just fit. - this whole thing is just a Baad look for the University



  • I think it’s a worse look for LSU



  • @tis4tim said in Les Miles:

    @jayballer67

    I agree it’s discouraging. We have now, somehow, scraped below the bottom of the barrel with our football team. On the bright side, so what if there is a mass exodus? We won exactly ZERO games last year. ZERO! In the past decade we have won 18 games. IN TEN YEARS. That’s an average of less than 2 wins per year for the past 10. So, really, who gives rat’s behind about any of this? Scrap it all and start from the beginning. It honestly cannot get worse.

    The fact that this program cannot recruit kids that look like they’ve even played the game before is simply unfathomable to me. Replace everybody and I would wager we can find kids who can win more than 1.8 games per year over the next 10.

    No , I have to disagree with you on that. - -That’s the problem we actually WERE getting an upgrade in talent since Les has been here. We were getting commits from where we wouldn’t have even gotten a sniff from befor - wasn’t recruiting and loading up on Juco’s some pretty talent kids on the roster - only thing is we are Sooooo young. We were just starting to get some kids that i a couple of years and this team would be just salty enough to be very competitive - NOW that this has happened we fire Les which we better then those kids that have come here in the last couple of years because mostly of Les - -watch they gonna be wanting out like the talent coming on Board now I bet you anything we gonna be screwed Hopefully they name Eargle as Interim Coach hopefully be able to hang on to these kids. He is over a lot of positions or in on the recruiting, let him take this at least for this upcoming year. Only Coach on the current staff my understanding that has had any kind of experience with that - -just sad all around



  • So Long has placed Les on administrative leave while they investigate, Sweet way to try and Cover your own ass Long. - -you by far are not just some innocent by stander in all of this - -you TOO need to go. - GO SOON. - if you would of followed what you should of done, go through the correct procedure of a FULL Coach search maybe things would be different - -your decision making has been really poor - total classless judgement, now look where we are at



  • @jayballer67 said in Les Miles:

    @Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:

    Jeff Long has a good eye for coaching talent, but an absolute shitty eye for character or just no regard for character. This is basically a repeat of what happened to Long at Arkansas and something like this happening is why I’ve never been a big Jeff Long fan and thought it was a bad hire when it happened, and it’s turning out to be a bad hire now. The only silver lining might be if KU end up firing both with cause and saving a few million dollars.

    So help me out here cause I seriously don’t know how this works. - So if they could fire them with cause KU wouldn’t have to pay them their money ? - -that would be a just fit. - this whole thing is just a Baad look for the University

    Yes, if KU fires Les Miles with cause, that means it would be determined that Miles violated the terms of his contract and KU would be under no obligation to pay the remainder of his salary.

    That issue was at heart of the Beaty lawsuit. KU was trying to prove Beaty knowingly violated his contract so his termination would have been with cause instead of not winning enough so KU wouldn’t have to pay out the $3 million left on his deal.



  • The timing of the announcement is interesting, but not surprising. In the journalism world I believe they call it the “Friday news dump.”
    If you’ve got bad news to announce, do it on a Friday PM so the media pays less attention to it.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:

    @jayballer67 said in Les Miles:

    @Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:

    Jeff Long has a good eye for coaching talent, but an absolute shitty eye for character or just no regard for character. This is basically a repeat of what happened to Long at Arkansas and something like this happening is why I’ve never been a big Jeff Long fan and thought it was a bad hire when it happened, and it’s turning out to be a bad hire now. The only silver lining might be if KU end up firing both with cause and saving a few million dollars.

    So help me out here cause I seriously don’t know how this works. - So if they could fire them with cause KU wouldn’t have to pay them their money ? - -that would be a just fit. - this whole thing is just a Baad look for the University

    Yes, if KU fires Les Miles with cause, that means it would be determined that Miles violated the terms of his contract and KU would be under no obligation to pay the remainder of his salary.

    That issue was at heart of the Beaty lawsuit. KU was trying to prove Beaty knowingly violated his contract so his termination would have been with cause instead of not winning enough so KU wouldn’t have to pay out the $3 million left on his deal.

    Ok thanks for that , I really didn’t know how that worked. Appreciated



  • So question: what should we do now? Pursue outside candidates, hire an internal interim, or hire a one year caretaker (Jim Grobe, John L. Smith in recent years)?



  • @jayballer67

    Another reasoned reply to my knee-jerk, naive fan’s subterfuge. I guess I’ve just had it with this miserable football team. I would be happy with a terrible team. What we have suffered over the past decade is undefinable, inexplicable and indefensible.

    My question is: does KU have legal remedy against LSU? If they covered this up and these incidences could not be found during the vetting process and it ends up costing us recruits, fans, money and wins can all that be quantified into a lawsuit? Clearly we are going to be hurt through another organization’s negligence. Do we have recourse here?



  • Also, somewhere David Beatty is kicking back with a cheshire grin.



  • @tis4tim said in Les Miles:

    Also, somewhere David Beatty is kicking back with a cheshire grin.

    I hear Uber is doing better these days so that makes sense



  • @tis4tim said in Les Miles:

    @jayballer67

    Another reasoned reply to my knee-jerk, naive fan’s subterfuge. I guess I’ve just had it with this miserable football team. I would be happy with a terrible team. What we have suffered over the past decade is undefinable, inexplicable and indefensible.

    My question is: does KU have legal remedy against LSU? If they covered this up and these incidences could not be found during the vetting process and it ends up costing us recruits, fans, money and wins can all that be quantified into a lawsuit? Clearly we are going to be hurt through another organization’s negligence. Do we have recourse here?

    That’s likely why Miles is on administrative leave right now so KU can do their own investigation into this situation to determine what their options are in regards to both Miles and Jeff Long.



  • @FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:

    So question: what should we do now? Pursue outside candidates, hire an internal interim, or hire a one year caretaker (Jim Grobe, John L. Smith in recent years)?

    I heard maybe we should just turn it over to Eargle for the year - I think that are once again facing a huge problem now - -just when you could see the smallest flicker at the end of the Tunnel , at least to put a competitive team on the field. You couldn’t ask for more of a crappy timing for this

    We are really gonna struggle to find a even somewhat solid Coach to come try and take over this mess - - - Unless we get that RIGHT HIRE our recruiting is going to make a major hit and set us back again. I think people have to realize even though Les had his head up his ass , alot of the better talent that we were starting to come here was because of Les. True we had/have some pretty decent staff BUT in the end I think alot was the opportunity to play for Les Miles. - -just a real hard kick straight to the Chones. - -I myself really have no clue what I could/would do if I was in that position of authority/position. - Maybe it is best to just hand it to Eargle for this season. Already knows the players , the players know him - - Won’t effect the OC - -well maybe , didn’t Les pretty much be the one to hire him ?

    Hell I don’t know what they will do - - I don’t think they have any idea either at this point. -One thing I do know is that BOTH should be shit canned LONG & MILES - -and soon , just a really bad look for the University as if we needed more of that. - -I got a friend that I was talking to that is a KU Alum and he said the way he feels and some others felt Miles should of been let go Yesterday - NOT HAPPY AT ALL



  • @tis4tim said in Les Miles:

    @jayballer67

    Another reasoned reply to my knee-jerk, naive fan’s subterfuge. I guess I’ve just had it with this miserable football team. I would be happy with a terrible team. What we have suffered over the past decade is undefinable, inexplicable and indefensible.

    My question is: does KU have legal remedy against LSU? If they covered this up and these incidences could not be found during the vetting process and it ends up costing us recruits, fans, money and wins can all that be quantified into a lawsuit? Clearly we are going to be hurt through another organization’s negligence. Do we have recourse here?

    That I’m not sure about recourse against LSU or not - - my 1st thought is - - I really don’t think there is much of a chance for that , BUT could very very easily be wrong on that might wanna ask someone else about that TexasHawk maybe



  • I would try to hire one of your top 2 candidates and if that doesn’t pan out, hire an interim and wait a year to see who shakes loose



  • So this did not get out at all? I find that hard to believe



  • I suspect the issue for KU is that when Miles was recruited and vetted, he was certainly asked whether there were any improprieties in his coaching background that might jeopardize our program. Miles must not have been honest about the sexual harassment case; I’m fairly certain KU wouldn’t have hired him if he disclosed the offense. If this is true, it seems the failure to disclose the sexual harassment case is grounds for a for cause dismissal.



  • @Crimsonorblue22 said in Les Miles:

    So this did not get out at all? I find that hard to believe

    Based on what I’ve seen, it sounds like once the matter at LSU was resolved, an NDA was signed so it’s quite likely KU is trying to figure out where the limits of the NDA extend to. It also sounds like when all that stuff was going on before any settlements were reached, it was very well known what was going on with Les and that LSU AD Joe Alleva tried firing Miles in 2013 over these allegations. It’s also likely KU is trying to find out how aware of that situation Jeff Long was since he was AD at Arkansas at the time. The reason Long may have had knowledge of the accusations was because the Bobby Petrino situation was about a year before the Miles stuff so Alleva may have potentially talked to Long about how they handled the situation at Arkansas.

    There’s some speculation on my part at the end there, but AD’s talk a lot so it’s entirely plausible that Alleva asked Long for advice and which could mean Long had knowledge of the accusations when he hired Miles here.

    Regardless of the outcome of KU’s own investigation, this is going to be another shit storm of bad PR for KU Athletics.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 interesting 🤔



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 how did the whole world of athletics not know? To many people involved.



  • @Crimsonorblue22 said in Les Miles:

    @Texas-Hawk-10 how did the whole world of athletics not know? To many people involved.

    Too many people in power looking the other way because they don’t want the skeletons in their closets being exposed as well or just not giving a damn. Probably the same reason Mickey Callaway got away with harassing women for years and the Indians not doing anything about it at the time.



  • LSU fought absolutely tooth and nail to keep every detail in that report from coming out. Have it on excellent authority Long didn’t know and wouldn’t have hired Les if he did.



  • We for sure have somebody publicly and knowingly lying about this investigation. The lawyer for Miles is claiming that KU officials and Jeff Long were aware of the 2013 investigation at the time Les was hired. Jeff Long is claiming last week was the first the KU was made aware of the investigation.

    That means somebody is publicly lying to us about who knew what and when they knew it. After the Beaty debacle, KU is in a no won situation right in regards to how to handle this investigation from a PR standpoint.

    If KU had immediately fired Miles and then investigated and found nothing to fire Miles with cause for, it’s a repeat of Beaty except a lot more money on the line. Amd that’s a likely outcome specifically for Miles because LSU determined there wasn’t enough there to fire Miles with cause. Since KU put just Miles on leave, KU is already getting raked by national media for not instantly firing Miles on Friday when the reports were made public.


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