Les Miles
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I agree it’s discouraging. We have now, somehow, scraped below the bottom of the barrel with our football team. On the bright side, so what if there is a mass exodus? We won exactly ZERO games last year. ZERO! In the past decade we have won 18 games. IN TEN YEARS. That’s an average of less than 2 wins per year for the past 10. So, really, who gives rat’s behind about any of this? Scrap it all and start from the beginning. It honestly cannot get worse.
The fact that this program cannot recruit kids that look like they’ve even played the game before is simply unfathomable to me. Replace everybody and I would wager we can find kids who can win more than 1.8 games per year over the next 10.
A mass exodus of players means we’re back in a scholarship situation situation similar to what Weis created and Beauty inherited. Without a mass exodus, KU’s scholarship numbers will finally be in line with other FBS programs. A mass exodus screws up not only the total scholarship situation, but the class balance as well which is why it’s taken so long to recover from what Weis did to KU. At this point, I’m convinced Mangino sold KU’s soul in football to try and save his job in 2007.
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A rational response to my reflexive take to be sure. I still think we’d be better off cleaning house and starting over, but those pesky details …
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A rational response to my reflexive take to be sure. I still think we’d be better off cleaning house and starting over, but those pesky details …
Ask and ye shall receive. All but like 10 players are freshmen, eligibility-wise.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:
Jeff Long has a good eye for coaching talent, but an absolute shitty eye for character or just no regard for character. This is basically a repeat of what happened to Long at Arkansas and something like this happening is why I’ve never been a big Jeff Long fan and thought it was a bad hire when it happened, and it’s turning out to be a bad hire now. The only silver lining might be if KU end up firing both with cause and saving a few million dollars.
So help me out here cause I seriously don’t know how this works. - So if they could fire them with cause KU wouldn’t have to pay them their money ? - -that would be a just fit. - this whole thing is just a Baad look for the University
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I think it’s a worse look for LSU
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I agree it’s discouraging. We have now, somehow, scraped below the bottom of the barrel with our football team. On the bright side, so what if there is a mass exodus? We won exactly ZERO games last year. ZERO! In the past decade we have won 18 games. IN TEN YEARS. That’s an average of less than 2 wins per year for the past 10. So, really, who gives rat’s behind about any of this? Scrap it all and start from the beginning. It honestly cannot get worse.
The fact that this program cannot recruit kids that look like they’ve even played the game before is simply unfathomable to me. Replace everybody and I would wager we can find kids who can win more than 1.8 games per year over the next 10.
No , I have to disagree with you on that. - -That’s the problem we actually WERE getting an upgrade in talent since Les has been here. We were getting commits from where we wouldn’t have even gotten a sniff from befor - wasn’t recruiting and loading up on Juco’s some pretty talent kids on the roster - only thing is we are Sooooo young. We were just starting to get some kids that i a couple of years and this team would be just salty enough to be very competitive - NOW that this has happened we fire Les which we better then those kids that have come here in the last couple of years because mostly of Les - -watch they gonna be wanting out like the talent coming on Board now I bet you anything we gonna be screwed Hopefully they name Eargle as Interim Coach hopefully be able to hang on to these kids. He is over a lot of positions or in on the recruiting, let him take this at least for this upcoming year. Only Coach on the current staff my understanding that has had any kind of experience with that - -just sad all around
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So Long has placed Les on administrative leave while they investigate, Sweet way to try and Cover your own ass Long. - -you by far are not just some innocent by stander in all of this - -you TOO need to go. - GO SOON. - if you would of followed what you should of done, go through the correct procedure of a FULL Coach search maybe things would be different - -your decision making has been really poor - total classless judgement, now look where we are at
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@jayballer67 said in Les Miles:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:
Jeff Long has a good eye for coaching talent, but an absolute shitty eye for character or just no regard for character. This is basically a repeat of what happened to Long at Arkansas and something like this happening is why I’ve never been a big Jeff Long fan and thought it was a bad hire when it happened, and it’s turning out to be a bad hire now. The only silver lining might be if KU end up firing both with cause and saving a few million dollars.
So help me out here cause I seriously don’t know how this works. - So if they could fire them with cause KU wouldn’t have to pay them their money ? - -that would be a just fit. - this whole thing is just a Baad look for the University
Yes, if KU fires Les Miles with cause, that means it would be determined that Miles violated the terms of his contract and KU would be under no obligation to pay the remainder of his salary.
That issue was at heart of the Beaty lawsuit. KU was trying to prove Beaty knowingly violated his contract so his termination would have been with cause instead of not winning enough so KU wouldn’t have to pay out the $3 million left on his deal.
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The timing of the announcement is interesting, but not surprising. In the journalism world I believe they call it the “Friday news dump.”
If you’ve got bad news to announce, do it on a Friday PM so the media pays less attention to it.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:
@jayballer67 said in Les Miles:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:
Jeff Long has a good eye for coaching talent, but an absolute shitty eye for character or just no regard for character. This is basically a repeat of what happened to Long at Arkansas and something like this happening is why I’ve never been a big Jeff Long fan and thought it was a bad hire when it happened, and it’s turning out to be a bad hire now. The only silver lining might be if KU end up firing both with cause and saving a few million dollars.
So help me out here cause I seriously don’t know how this works. - So if they could fire them with cause KU wouldn’t have to pay them their money ? - -that would be a just fit. - this whole thing is just a Baad look for the University
Yes, if KU fires Les Miles with cause, that means it would be determined that Miles violated the terms of his contract and KU would be under no obligation to pay the remainder of his salary.
That issue was at heart of the Beaty lawsuit. KU was trying to prove Beaty knowingly violated his contract so his termination would have been with cause instead of not winning enough so KU wouldn’t have to pay out the $3 million left on his deal.
Ok thanks for that , I really didn’t know how that worked. Appreciated
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So question: what should we do now? Pursue outside candidates, hire an internal interim, or hire a one year caretaker (Jim Grobe, John L. Smith in recent years)?
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Another reasoned reply to my knee-jerk, naive fan’s subterfuge. I guess I’ve just had it with this miserable football team. I would be happy with a terrible team. What we have suffered over the past decade is undefinable, inexplicable and indefensible.
My question is: does KU have legal remedy against LSU? If they covered this up and these incidences could not be found during the vetting process and it ends up costing us recruits, fans, money and wins can all that be quantified into a lawsuit? Clearly we are going to be hurt through another organization’s negligence. Do we have recourse here?
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Also, somewhere David Beatty is kicking back with a cheshire grin.
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Also, somewhere David Beatty is kicking back with a cheshire grin.
I hear Uber is doing better these days so that makes sense
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Another reasoned reply to my knee-jerk, naive fan’s subterfuge. I guess I’ve just had it with this miserable football team. I would be happy with a terrible team. What we have suffered over the past decade is undefinable, inexplicable and indefensible.
My question is: does KU have legal remedy against LSU? If they covered this up and these incidences could not be found during the vetting process and it ends up costing us recruits, fans, money and wins can all that be quantified into a lawsuit? Clearly we are going to be hurt through another organization’s negligence. Do we have recourse here?
That’s likely why Miles is on administrative leave right now so KU can do their own investigation into this situation to determine what their options are in regards to both Miles and Jeff Long.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:
So question: what should we do now? Pursue outside candidates, hire an internal interim, or hire a one year caretaker (Jim Grobe, John L. Smith in recent years)?
I heard maybe we should just turn it over to Eargle for the year - I think that are once again facing a huge problem now - -just when you could see the smallest flicker at the end of the Tunnel , at least to put a competitive team on the field. You couldn’t ask for more of a crappy timing for this
We are really gonna struggle to find a even somewhat solid Coach to come try and take over this mess - - - Unless we get that RIGHT HIRE our recruiting is going to make a major hit and set us back again. I think people have to realize even though Les had his head up his ass , alot of the better talent that we were starting to come here was because of Les. True we had/have some pretty decent staff BUT in the end I think alot was the opportunity to play for Les Miles. - -just a real hard kick straight to the Chones. - -I myself really have no clue what I could/would do if I was in that position of authority/position. - Maybe it is best to just hand it to Eargle for this season. Already knows the players , the players know him - - Won’t effect the OC - -well maybe , didn’t Les pretty much be the one to hire him ?
Hell I don’t know what they will do - - I don’t think they have any idea either at this point. -One thing I do know is that BOTH should be shit canned LONG & MILES - -and soon , just a really bad look for the University as if we needed more of that. - -I got a friend that I was talking to that is a KU Alum and he said the way he feels and some others felt Miles should of been let go Yesterday - NOT HAPPY AT ALL
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Another reasoned reply to my knee-jerk, naive fan’s subterfuge. I guess I’ve just had it with this miserable football team. I would be happy with a terrible team. What we have suffered over the past decade is undefinable, inexplicable and indefensible.
My question is: does KU have legal remedy against LSU? If they covered this up and these incidences could not be found during the vetting process and it ends up costing us recruits, fans, money and wins can all that be quantified into a lawsuit? Clearly we are going to be hurt through another organization’s negligence. Do we have recourse here?
That I’m not sure about recourse against LSU or not - - my 1st thought is - - I really don’t think there is much of a chance for that , BUT could very very easily be wrong on that might wanna ask someone else about that TexasHawk maybe
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I would try to hire one of your top 2 candidates and if that doesn’t pan out, hire an interim and wait a year to see who shakes loose
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So this did not get out at all? I find that hard to believe
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I suspect the issue for KU is that when Miles was recruited and vetted, he was certainly asked whether there were any improprieties in his coaching background that might jeopardize our program. Miles must not have been honest about the sexual harassment case; I’m fairly certain KU wouldn’t have hired him if he disclosed the offense. If this is true, it seems the failure to disclose the sexual harassment case is grounds for a for cause dismissal.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Les Miles:
So this did not get out at all? I find that hard to believe
Based on what I’ve seen, it sounds like once the matter at LSU was resolved, an NDA was signed so it’s quite likely KU is trying to figure out where the limits of the NDA extend to. It also sounds like when all that stuff was going on before any settlements were reached, it was very well known what was going on with Les and that LSU AD Joe Alleva tried firing Miles in 2013 over these allegations. It’s also likely KU is trying to find out how aware of that situation Jeff Long was since he was AD at Arkansas at the time. The reason Long may have had knowledge of the accusations was because the Bobby Petrino situation was about a year before the Miles stuff so Alleva may have potentially talked to Long about how they handled the situation at Arkansas.
There’s some speculation on my part at the end there, but AD’s talk a lot so it’s entirely plausible that Alleva asked Long for advice and which could mean Long had knowledge of the accusations when he hired Miles here.
Regardless of the outcome of KU’s own investigation, this is going to be another shit storm of bad PR for KU Athletics.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 interesting
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@Texas-Hawk-10 how did the whole world of athletics not know? To many people involved.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Les Miles:
@Texas-Hawk-10 how did the whole world of athletics not know? To many people involved.
Too many people in power looking the other way because they don’t want the skeletons in their closets being exposed as well or just not giving a damn. Probably the same reason Mickey Callaway got away with harassing women for years and the Indians not doing anything about it at the time.
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LSU fought absolutely tooth and nail to keep every detail in that report from coming out. Have it on excellent authority Long didn’t know and wouldn’t have hired Les if he did.
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We for sure have somebody publicly and knowingly lying about this investigation. The lawyer for Miles is claiming that KU officials and Jeff Long were aware of the 2013 investigation at the time Les was hired. Jeff Long is claiming last week was the first the KU was made aware of the investigation.
That means somebody is publicly lying to us about who knew what and when they knew it. After the Beaty debacle, KU is in a no won situation right in regards to how to handle this investigation from a PR standpoint.
If KU had immediately fired Miles and then investigated and found nothing to fire Miles with cause for, it’s a repeat of Beaty except a lot more money on the line. Amd that’s a likely outcome specifically for Miles because LSU determined there wasn’t enough there to fire Miles with cause. Since KU put just Miles on leave, KU is already getting raked by national media for not instantly firing Miles on Friday when the reports were made public.
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If Miles go could KU lose significant number of recruits. What is the likely scenario?
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Better have Tom Herman named HC within a day or two.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:
LSU fought absolutely tooth and nail to keep every detail in that report from coming out. Have it on excellent authority Long didn’t know and wouldn’t have hired Les if he did.
I dunno but his Lawyer Blasting KU - -saying they knew. - -IF LONG did know then just that much more reason BOTH NEED TO GO and go NOW
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If Miles go could KU lose significant number of recruits. What is the likely scenario?
I’m sure we would lose - - some , not sure how many. I would hope we could retain key commits such as these QB’S would really wonder about our 2022 commits. Scenario usually is a lot of kids will hold out for a bit anyways to see who the new Head Coach is before making a decision – then some others just say NOPE and look else where -usually the case you get a new Coach then times where that new Coach wants to bring in a lot of new staff so that also plays into things also
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It’s been over 7 yrs, he went thru classes. It was LSU’s problem. Leave him here on probation. His daughter follows him everywhere. The only reason it was found was because NCAA was checking into LSU 2016 onward. I don’t like Long!
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If this case was supposedly settled and a non-disclosure was signed, how did any of this get leaked? Are those parties culpable too? It’s times like this I wish I had a more robust knowledge of tort law and law in general so I could better anticipate the fallout.
Still not sure why the media is picking a fight with KU at the moment. Seems like we are the proverbial victim in this scenario. I guess LSU is college football royalty so the powers that be will mercilessly cudgel the court jester. God help us if this drags out indefinitely as the basketball situation seems to be doing. What a mess.
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Better have Tom Herman named HC within a day or two.
Hell no I don’t want Tom Herman here. He couldn’t get Texas back to competing with OU annually with the resources he had at Texas, but it’d be realistic to think he could make Kansas competitive when he’d have basically no resources here? Herman is also a job hopper. His 4 year stint at Texas was the longest he’d been at any job in his career so if he did manage any success at Kansas, he’d be gone the next season KU would be back in rebuild mode.
KU needs to go get someone who built a winner at a smaller conference and doesn’t jump at the first better offer he receives. Go look at Coastal’s coach since they’ve beaten us twice now, Appalachian St., Louisiana, Toledo, San Jose St. These are the types of places KU needs to be looking at for a head coach and not a P5 retread.
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If this case was supposedly settled and a non-disclosure was signed, how did any of this get leaked? Are those parties culpable too? It’s times like this I wish I had a more robust knowledge of tort law and law in general so I could better anticipate the fallout.
Still not sure why the media is picking a fight with KU at the moment. Seems like we are the proverbial victim in this scenario. I guess LSU is college football royalty so the powers that be will mercilessly cudgel the court jester. God help us if this drags out indefinitely as the basketball situation seems to be doing. What a mess.
The media is ripping KU because KU didn’t immediately fire Miles once the investigation became public because the stuff he’s accused of is one of the hot button social issues the media is all over right now.
From what I can tell, KU is handling this exactly the way they should be at this point of doing their own due diligence and investigating everything to determine what action KU wants to take and what KU can legally take right now.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:
The media is ripping KU because KU didn’t immediately fire Miles once the investigation became public because the stuff he’s accused of is one of the hot button social issues the media is all over right now.
Knowing the fickle media, if KU had fired Miles on the spot they would have ripped this institution for that as well.
I agree with you there needs to be a discovery period for this stuff. Many future dominoes are set to fall based on the circumstances here. It is best to perform due diligence. Yet, time is of the essence as well. Squaring those two things is never easy. Still, these ratings bonanza show trials in the news and on social media need to stop.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Les Miles:
Better have Tom Herman named HC within a day or two.
Hell no I don’t want Tom Herman here. He couldn’t get Texas back to competing with OU annually with the resources he had at Texas, but it’d be realistic to think he could make Kansas competitive when he’d have basically no resources here? Herman is also a job hopper. His 4 year stint at Texas was the longest he’d been at any job in his career so if he did manage any success at Kansas, he’d be gone the next season KU would be back in rebuild mode.
KU needs to go get someone who built a winner at a smaller conference and doesn’t jump at the first better offer he receives. Go look at Coastal’s coach since they’ve beaten us twice now, Appalachian St., Louisiana, Toledo, San Jose St. These are the types of places KU needs to be looking at for a head coach and not a P5 retread.
Chadwell said no to Tennessee, Napier turned down Auburn and Mississippi State, App State’s coach is likely a lifer there (and he’s their third in 3 years). Candle from Toledo would be a good hire.
Key thing is getting through this year and keeping the roster in tact. We finally have a real foundation to grow from and a bunch of defections would set us back years. I would hire Jones as the interim. Best case, he becomes our Dabo. Gets the guys to play better than they ever have and win 3-4 games, be competitive in most others. Then remove the tag. Worst case he’s way in over his head, but the job is more attractive to an outside candidate come November and December.
I’d look at Herman for sure. Candle would be in that group too, though Matt Campbell’s really built Toledo, Candle to his credit has kept it rolling. Lance Leipold from Buffalo would be a good hire. Add in Willie Fritz, Brent Brennan (SJSU), and Sean Lewis (Kent St) then you’d have real options. Out of that group I think I’d take Candle, Lewis, Herman, Leipold, Fritz respectively.
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Sounds like the ax will drop in the next few minutes
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Yea sounds like it.
Have to think we try to get rid of Long before we are stuck with him for however long our probation is?
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I certainly would. I don’t think you can trust him to make another hire.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Les Miles:
Sounds like the ax will drop in the next few minutes
oh dam buddy where you see that at ?> - - Les Miles gone right ?
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Sounds like Petro jumped the gun. Nothing coming out 30 minutes after the announcement was allegedly supposed to come down.
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He gone. Hiring an interim and will look for a replacement.
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What an end to an era
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After everything came out it was inevitable. Didn’t help that the story broke during International Women’s Month.
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Tl;dr: Leipold, Jay Norvell (Nevada), Todd Monken, Mike Neu (Ball St), Willie Fritz, Craig Bohl (Wyoming)
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So after Charlie Weis and Les Miles, have we learned our lesson about hiring big-name coaches ?
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@nwhawkfan said in Les Miles:
So after Charlie Weis and Les Miles, have we learned our lesson about hiring big-name coaches ?
Maybe? I mean if Chris Petersen wants the job you say yes and ask very few questions
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Make damn sure the search committee digs DEEP into these guys’ past
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@nwhawkfan said in Les Miles:
Make damn sure the search committee digs DEEP into these guys’ past
For sure. Tidbit: Liepold would take the job tomorrow if offered
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I hear Andy Reid is interested. Now that he’s got a Super Bowl ring, he’d like a …toilet bowl ring to go with it.
