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@Woodrow said in Coaching Carousel:
Are we going to do this every off-season?
seems some like that idea - - - sucks
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@Woodrow said in Coaching Carousel:
Are we going to do this every off-season?
With Les’s age I suspect so. And there will always be a segment of our fanbase (not saying anyone on this board) that unless the coach performs an actual miracle like getting the 2020 Jayhawks to 4 wins or something, it’s time to blow it all up and start over. It’s one of the big problems with having a fanbase used to basketball where you can rebuild in a year.
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@Woodrow Don’t despair. It seems like every season, but since 1890 we’ve only had 39 coaches. So - we’re going to do this every 3.3 off seasons. On average.
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@nuleafjhawk Good point. Here are the coaches in the 50 years (gulp!) I have been paying attention. The last decade has seen more upheaval than the prior 21 years, however.
Les Miles 2019-
David Beaty 2015-2018
Charlie Weis 2012-14
Turner Gill 2010-11
Mark Mangino 2002-09
Terry Allen 1997-2001
Glen Mason 1988-96
Bob Valesente 1986-87
Mike Gottfried 1983-85
Don Fambrough 1979-82
Bud Moore 1975-78
Don Fambrough 1971-74
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@mayjay It’s embarrassing (to me, anyway). I cannot understand why we can’t attract good coaches and good players. And, I’m of the belief that there is no coach anywhere that could come to KU and make a winning program with the players that we have. NOT talking about their heart or character - just their football ability. Is Urban Meyer going to turn this team around? NO. Vince Lombardi - NO. Whoever you think the best coaches of all time, at any level are - they can only coach players who can play with the big boys. And you have to have more than one or two. You have to have them stacked up 2 and 3 deep.
Sorry - sermon over. But I’m frustrated. I want us to be good at football too.
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@nuleafjhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@mayjay It’s embarrassing (to me, anyway). I cannot understand why we can’t attract good coaches and good players. And, I’m of the belief that there is no coach anywhere that could come to KU and make a winning program with the players that we have. NOT talking about their heart or character - just their football ability. Is Urban Meyer going to turn this team around? NO. Vince Lombardi - NO. Whoever you think the best coaches of all time, at any level are - they can only coach players who can play with the big boys. And you have to have more than one or two. You have to have them stacked up 2 and 3 deep.
Sorry - sermon over. But I’m frustrated. I want us to be good at football too.
Re: the good players thing, I think you’ll be very happy with the class of 21. There are some doodz I’m pretty excited for. Between 20 and 21, it’s the most HS kids we’ve signed in a 2 year period as far back as I can find, so at least the Mason years.
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They are saying this 2021 class when they all sign will be the Highest Composite class for KU since 2014 , & the highest 247 top class since 2013 So there is better talent on the way. Like has been said it didn’t take us just 1-2-3-4-years to get into this crap hole - it just IS NOT going to take 3-4 years to get us out of it , everyone would like for us to be good in BOTH football & Basketball who wouldn’t been when you have had crap Coach’s like Besty - Weiss - -& Gill you have to be able to understand WHY we are at where were at. - Instant success is just NOT HAPPENING.
Plus like has been said you just can’t continue to keep rolling Coaching Staffs every 2 years or so - that kind of way get’s you no where we have seen that. - -None of your better talented players want to come and play for that type of unstable situation just doesn’t work
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@FarmerJayhawk I haven’t seen the list. But I hope you’re right. We have to have players or it really doesn’t matter who the coach is.
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@nuleafjhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk I haven’t seen the list. But I hope you’re right. We have to have players or it really doesn’t matter who the coach is.
For sure. Thing that sticks out to me are these guys look like Big 12 players. Not a Miles Kendrick in the bunch
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@FarmerJayhawk How do we know they aren’t?
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@COHawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk How do we know they aren’t?
They’re all taller than 5’8
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Well three that verballed didn’t sign today. - - not sure if anymore coming or not. -Seen a couple that looked like could be special - - just have to go through the growing process.
Obviously the big thing with this staff is they are staying away from the Juco’s - redshirt some of these guys to go with the other youth and by year 3 gonna have some pretty decent developed kids.- Coach said getting close to85 limit - - but yet still gonna be able to have more
Two pretty solid recruiting classes 2020 , 2021 - and Les saying next recruiting class could be special
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If KU is to turn this around, the key is to convince everyone that this is going to be a 3-5 year process. We aren’t going to attract the type of talent necessary to turn things around in a single year. A Cam Newton type isn’t walking in to just fix 80% of the flaws on one side of the ball just by showing up in town. So we have to solve those problems recruit by recruit. That takes time. That takes development. And that takes patience.
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@justanotherfan said in Coaching Carousel:
If KU is to turn this around, the key is to convince everyone that this is going to be a 3-5 year process. We aren’t going to attract the type of talent necessary to turn things around in a single year. A Cam Newton type isn’t walking in to just fix 80% of the flaws on one side of the ball just by showing up in town. So we have to solve those problems recruit by recruit. That takes time. That takes development. And that takes patience.
Agree with you totally. - -Yet you have some that don’t want patience they want it NOW - -doesn’t work that way Like I said a day or so ago. - -Took us more then one or two years to get in the position we are in now & it’s going to take more then that to get out of it.
Les is building this back from the floor up , which is with high School kids. Some people just can’t get it through their heads that the more talented quote un quote elite or upper talented guys are just not going to come until they see we are making progress & have a stable Coaching Staff.
These idiots want to keep Changing Coach’s every 2-3 years , now talking Crap on Miles , give me a freaking break if you have any kind of knowledge you can see progress being made in the program. Hell the players we have gotten to commit last year & now this year - - -a Couple of years ago - -we would have had the door slammed in our face little lone get them to talk with the staff - - We would have the phone hung up on us very quickly and calls not returned.
You have to be able to see/realize the the talent is getting better. - You look at the kids we are getting now compared to a couple of years ago - just look at the Schools that we are competing with for some of these guys compared to schools we were going up against a couple of years ago, - - All high School kids now compared to a lot of Juco’s - just not the same - it JUST TAKES TIME
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Only two verbals that didn’t sign are Lawrence and Grays. If we can keep those two plus land a transfer (Les wants true or RS frosh from the portal) that’s a grand slam in 21. At some point I’ll sketch out a ROUGH two deep for next season. From what I have now, it’ll be mostly guys with 3 or less years in the program. It’s coming.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
Only two verbals that didn’t sign are Lawrence and Grays. If we can keep those two plus land a transfer (Les wants true or RS frosh from the portal) that’s a grand slam in 21. At some point I’ll sketch out a ROUGH two deep for next season. From what I have now, it’ll be mostly guys with 3 or less years in the program. It’s coming.
Are you sure just the two ? - - I read of TOS that it was three that didn’t sign. - - Lawrence , Grey’s - -AND Scott just curious buddy.
Like you say it’s coming just takes time
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@jayballer67 said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
Only two verbals that didn’t sign are Lawrence and Grays. If we can keep those two plus land a transfer (Les wants true or RS frosh from the portal) that’s a grand slam in 21. At some point I’ll sketch out a ROUGH two deep for next season. From what I have now, it’ll be mostly guys with 3 or less years in the program. It’s coming.
Are you sure just the two ? - - I read of TOS that it was three that didn’t sign. - - Lawrence , Grey’s - -AND Scott just curious buddy.
Like you say it’s coming just takes time
Scott signed. One of his buddies from Alabama might be next…
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@jayballer67 said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
Only two verbals that didn’t sign are Lawrence and Grays. If we can keep those two plus land a transfer (Les wants true or RS frosh from the portal) that’s a grand slam in 21. At some point I’ll sketch out a ROUGH two deep for next season. From what I have now, it’ll be mostly guys with 3 or less years in the program. It’s coming.
Are you sure just the two ? - - I read of TOS that it was three that didn’t sign. - - Lawrence , Grey’s - -AND Scott just curious buddy.
Like you say it’s coming just takes time
Scott signed. One of his buddies from Alabama might be next…
Oh ok, when did he sign ? I know at Miles press Conference he hadn’t -oh wait - -are they talking about Jacobi Scott is that right ? - -wasn’t he last year ? - -I’m confused lol
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Sure hope your right Famer, I read off the Lawrence Journal world a couple of minutes ago them and TOS both said Tanaka Scot had not signed . - not trying to stir the pot buddy but just curious , maybe he has signed late tonight. Thanks for all your input guy- -I sure enjoy your related recruiting in BOTH Football & Basketball - - I guess we will find out sooner or later lol
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You’re good. His HS tweeted it out. https://twitter.com/murphypanthers/status/1339257477859307521?s=21
It could be a blueshirt where he’s not on scholarship until August, but he’s a Jayhawk.
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@FarmerJayhawk How tall was Willie Pless? or Todd Reesing?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
You’re good. His HS tweeted it out. https://twitter.com/murphypanthers/status/1339257477859307521?s=21
It could be a blueshirt where he’s not on scholarship until August, but he’s a Jayhawk.
Cool greatly appreciated
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@COHawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk How tall was Willie Pless? or Todd Reesing?
Ok that’s 2 examples in close to 40 years. You’re ignoring the legions of undersized guys without solid measureables that can’t do it at this level.
If you look at our really good teams over the years, they all had real pro talent. The Orange Bowl team had Talib, Harris, Hawkinson, Briscoe, etc. Mason’s best teams had pro talent on the lines.
I’d rather take my chances with guys who look good on film and can develop than diamonds in the rough. Beaty tried that and it went poorly.
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@FarmerJayhawk True, but too often a player is overlooked simply because of size. Not overlooking legions of undersized guys; just saying that size doesn’t mean everything when it comes to recruiting. There are some small guys in pro sports doing quite well after doing well at the collegiate level.
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@COHawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk True, but too often a player is overlooked simply because of size. Not overlooking legions of undersized guys; just saying that size doesn’t mean everything when it comes to recruiting. There are some small guys in pro sports doing quite well after doing well at the collegiate level.
I get that. My point is those guys are outliers. Perfect example in this class. Tank Young from Aquinas is 5’6. If he was 5’10 205 would he have more offers? Maybe, but his tape and measureables don’t warrant a spot at KU, even though he put up gaudy numbers. He’s definitely not Sproles, who KU absolutely whiffed on.
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@COHawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk True, but too often a player is overlooked simply because of size. Not overlooking legions of undersized guys; just saying that size doesn’t mean everything when it comes to recruiting. There are some small guys in pro sports doing quite well after doing well at the collegiate level.
Todd Reesing checked pretty much every box other than heighth when looking at a QB. If he was even 6-0 or 6-1, he probably would’ve been a 4* QB and competing with Colt McCoy at Texas instead of coming to KU. If he was 6-3 or taller, decent chance he could’ve been a 5* or very high end 4* player.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Coaching Carousel:
@COHawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk True, but too often a player is overlooked simply because of size. Not overlooking legions of undersized guys; just saying that size doesn’t mean everything when it comes to recruiting. There are some small guys in pro sports doing quite well after doing well at the collegiate level.
Todd Reesing checked pretty much every box other than heighth when looking at a QB. If he was even 6-0 or 6-1, he probably would’ve been a 4* QB and competing with Colt McCoy at Texas instead of coming to KU. If he was 6-3 or taller, decent chance he could’ve been a 5* or very high end 4* player.
I liked Reesing, but his height wasn’t the only thing that held him back. He also did not have great arm strength. He was top notch on decision making and was very mobile, along with being accurate, but his size and arm strength is what had a lot of recruiting services down on him. Even if he were taller, he probably would not have been a 4* because of that, unless he was a better runner that could have made him a higher rated dual threat.
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@jayballer67 said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
You’re good. His HS tweeted it out. https://twitter.com/murphypanthers/status/1339257477859307521?s=21
It could be a blueshirt where he’s not on scholarship until August, but he’s a Jayhawk.
Cool greatly appreciated
KU has now announced Scott. I think Grays is close to a lock, there was just some bureaucracy that meant he couldn’t sign early. I feel pretty confident Edwin White will announce he’s signed with KU tomorrow. And so will end the early period.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@jayballer67 said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
You’re good. His HS tweeted it out. https://twitter.com/murphypanthers/status/1339257477859307521?s=21
It could be a blueshirt where he’s not on scholarship until August, but he’s a Jayhawk.
Cool greatly appreciated
KU has now announced Scott. I think Grays is close to a lock, there was just some bureaucracy that meant he couldn’t sign early. I feel pretty confident Edwin White will announce he’s signed with KU tomorrow. And so will end the early period.
So tell me , - - what do you think about the smoke from people that say KU is trying to get involved with the Washington 4 * QB that entered the Transfer Portal ? - -You think there is any fire to that or just a bunch of idle smoke ? - - He had a family member play at KU sometime back I guess , whatcha think ? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer67 said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
@jayballer67 said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
You’re good. His HS tweeted it out. https://twitter.com/murphypanthers/status/1339257477859307521?s=21
It could be a blueshirt where he’s not on scholarship until August, but he’s a Jayhawk.
Cool greatly appreciated
KU has now announced Scott. I think Grays is close to a lock, there was just some bureaucracy that meant he couldn’t sign early. I feel pretty confident Edwin White will announce he’s signed with KU tomorrow. And so will end the early period.
So tell me , - - what do you think about the smoke from people that say KU is trying to get involved with the Washington 4 * QB that entered the Transfer Portal ? - -You think there is any fire to that or just a bunch of idle smoke ? - - He had a family member play at KU sometime back I guess , whatcha think ? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
They’ll reach out to any they think can play right away and have multiple years. I don’t know whether that interest is being reciprocated though. We may not have anyone until after spring ball.
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New OL coach! Lee Grimes. Played at A&M, coached at Minnesota and most recently Charlotte. Deep connections in Texas. Fits the mold of Les’s hires so far. Comes from a big college program, and is young and hungry. We’ll see if it pays off. I at least think it’s an upgrade over Meadows (I know, low bar.)
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Herman out, Sark in at Texas. That happened in a hurry.
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Coach Chidera left for SMU. Look for an internal promotion.
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KU has hired Jake Schoonover to be the new LB coach and Special Teams Coordinator. Schoonover spent the past 3 years in a similar role at Bowling Green and 7 years at Illinois St. before BG.
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I like it on paper. Losing Chidera sucks but Wallace obviously wasn’t cutting it at ST. KC ties is a bonus.
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Read where Rick Neuischel former Coach of Colorado pushing for the job at KU - reaching out to some Big KU Booasters
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Lincoln Riley headed to USC. Legit shocker. I don’t get heading there instead of LSU but I’m glad he’s out of the league
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@FarmerJayhawk which league?
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David Cutcliffe fired after 14 years at Duke.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
Lincoln Riley headed to USC. Legit shocker. I don’t get heading there instead of LSU but I’m glad he’s out of the league
There’s a lot less pressure at USC right now than LSU. If the SEC keeps a 2 division format when OU and Texas join, LSU and OU wouldn’t likely even be in the division as Alabama. I would guess Alabama and Auburn would move to the SEC East and Missouri and would move to SEC West.
I’m also wondering if Lincoln turning down LSU has anything to do with Jimbo Fisher’s potential interest in LSU. Another name I’m hearing as a potential option with Billy Napier off the table is Lane Kiffin.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Coaching Carousel:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Coaching Carousel:
Lincoln Riley headed to USC. Legit shocker. I don’t get heading there instead of LSU but I’m glad he’s out of the league
There’s a lot less pressure at USC right now than LSU. If the SEC keeps a 2 division format when OU and Texas join, LSU and OU wouldn’t likely even be in the division as Alabama. I would guess Alabama and Auburn would move to the SEC East and Missouri and would move to SEC West.
I’m also wondering if Lincoln turning down LSU has anything to do with Jimbo Fisher’s potential interest in LSU. Another name I’m hearing as a potential option with Billy Napier off the table is Lane Kiffin.
Less pressure for sure. I could see them kicking the MS schools to the East to build the West into an absolute monster.
From what I saw Riley doesn’t want to coach in the SEC and was really peeved OU is moving. The Lane Train in Baton Rouge would be either amazing or total fecal festival and I’m here for either.
Finally, thank mercy we’re not playing in the sandbox this year. No way we’d end up with as good a coach as Leipold.
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HOWLING
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So Ok , guessing maybe I’m more Naive then what I thought. I just don’t see why the move Anywhere. I mean he is already at a top notch program , awesome facilities, always top recruits , very winning program, probably gets anything he asks for - -don’t see a step up improvement for sure - -to USC? - -not a better program at the very best lateral move great fan base - -I just can’t see the advantage - -why? - - -I’m sure he makes a butt load of money from his Base Salary and then all the endorsements - -tell me how does USC be a better position then Oklahoma - the league he is moving to by far is no better - I 'll wait go ahead fill me in
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@jayballer67 said in Coaching Carousel:
So Ok , guessing maybe I’m more Naive then what I thought. I just don’t see why the move Anywhere. I mean he is already at a top notch program , awesome facilities, always top recruits , very winning program, probably gets anything he asks for - -don’t see a step up improvement for sure - -to USC? - -not a better program at the very best lateral move great fan base - -I just can’t see the advantage - -why? - - -I’m sure he makes a butt load of money from his Base Salary and then all the endorsements - -tell me how does USC be a better position then Oklahoma - the league he is moving to by far is no better - I 'll wait go ahead fill me in
The path to a playoff at USC and the P12 is much easier than the SEC, even if the playoffs expand. In the new SEC, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Texas, and Texas A&M are all teams that are or will consistently be threats to win the SEC. In the PAC 12, it’s usually Oregon or Utah that’s the biggest hurdle.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Coaching Carousel:
@jayballer67 said in Coaching Carousel:
So Ok , guessing maybe I’m more Naive then what I thought. I just don’t see why the move Anywhere. I mean he is already at a top notch program , awesome facilities, always top recruits , very winning program, probably gets anything he asks for - -don’t see a step up improvement for sure - -to USC? - -not a better program at the very best lateral move great fan base - -I just can’t see the advantage - -why? - - -I’m sure he makes a butt load of money from his Base Salary and then all the endorsements - -tell me how does USC be a better position then Oklahoma - the league he is moving to by far is no better - I 'll wait go ahead fill me in
The path to a playoff at USC and the P12 is much easier than the SEC, even if the playoffs expand. In the new SEC, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Texas, and Texas A&M are all teams that are or will consistently be threats to win the SEC. In the PAC 12, it’s usually Oregon or Utah that’s the biggest hurdle.
Also, recruiting to USC with the right coach can land a top 5 class every season because SoCal is one of the 3 most fertile recruiting areas after Texas and Florida.
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Will any OU recruits come to KU?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Coaching Carousel:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Coaching Carousel:
@jayballer67 said in Coaching Carousel:
So Ok , guessing maybe I’m more Naive then what I thought. I just don’t see why the move Anywhere. I mean he is already at a top notch program , awesome facilities, always top recruits , very winning program, probably gets anything he asks for - -don’t see a step up improvement for sure - -to USC? - -not a better program at the very best lateral move great fan base - -I just can’t see the advantage - -why? - - -I’m sure he makes a butt load of money from his Base Salary and then all the endorsements - -tell me how does USC be a better position then Oklahoma - the league he is moving to by far is no better - I 'll wait go ahead fill me in
The path to a playoff at USC and the P12 is much easier than the SEC, even if the playoffs expand. In the new SEC, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Texas, and Texas A&M are all teams that are or will consistently be threats to win the SEC. In the PAC 12, it’s usually Oregon or Utah that’s the biggest hurdle.
Also, recruiting to USC with the right coach can land a top 5 class every season because SoCal is one of the 3 most fertile recruiting areas after Texas and Florida.
Right both of you. It looks kind of soft, like he doesn’t want to get beat in the SEC. It is USC, but the same can be said about Oklahoma. With the recruiting in Cali though, he’s going to absolutely dominate the Pac12. Almost guaranteed to be playoff bound every year. It just smells like a soft move. Not even coaching his team in whatever bowl game!
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Unlikely, OU had a good recruiting class and don’t think KU is contending for any of those guys
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Riley to USC is a shocker. All that pumped up bologna to LSU. Florida gets Napier. No Idea what LSU is getting but they seem to have missed a good opportunity to have a coach here before ESD. Seems like no matter who they hire they have missed the ball if it doesn’t happen in the next few days. Coaches can go in-home and have big recruiting weekends before ESD now.
As a FSU fan I’m hoping some dominos fall our way because of this…
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Started here as well. Drake and Jackson are out. Replaced with Onatolu and Jordan Peterson
