Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@approxinfinity makes people that aren’t Christians think that all of us that are, are like that.
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Mortality rates on this disease are still way high. Almost certainly inflated by lack of tests, so people counted are badly sick…
However, the expected mortality rate is 2% on the disease, but currently in the states, its:
8% in NY - 19.4k dead / 242.5k cases
5.4% nationwide - 41.4 kdead / 746.4 cases
4.4% nationwide without NY - 22k / 503.8 cases
Showing how important it is that our healthcare system does not get overwhelmed like NY, but also, alarmingly high. Lets watch this number and see it go down as testing becomes more prevalent.
But this should be a wake up call to anyone thinking that we’re even close to opening everything back up. We need
- that mortality rate closer to the ballpark of the flu if possible, .1%, or 54x less deaths per cases than present.
- Readily available testing everywhere. This is not optional.
- Social distancing policies in place. eased, but still in place. This includes manditory N95 masks readily available to everyone to always be worn in public
- Contact tracing in place for all active cases
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Dam , this was not a good day for new cases in Kansas - - positive cases rose by 137 cases & we had 8 pass away yesterday. - Total deaths now at 100 & total number of cases at 1,986. - hang tough my friends , there has GOT TO BE an end to this soon. STAY STRONG AND BELEIVE
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And Kansas is still dead last in testing/100,000. Not ideal.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
And Kansas is still dead last in testing/100,000. Not ideal.
guess they supposedly got more test kits over the weekend
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I think the tricky thing is that people have to remember that whatever is happening today is a reflection of behaviors from 2 weeks ago.
That kind of latency is extraordinary in a world where cause and effect are often much tighter. Makes it hard to factor into our assessments.
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@FarmerJayhawk we got tests. They were for the meat packing plants
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Ok, fact or opinion? Is trump actually taking hudroxochlorine (I know I spelled that wrong…)?
If so, why?
If not, why lie about it?
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@benshawks08 I say lie! With his health problems, placque, no dr would prescribe it w/out being worried about his license. After listening to numerous Drs, I haven’t heard any that would prescribe it to anyone w/cardiac problems.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Ok, fact or opinion? Is trump actually taking hudroxochlorine (I know I spelled that wrong…)?
If so, why?
If not, why lie about it?
The memo from his doc is about as vague as could be, and never said he was actually taking it or in what form. Everyone in MAGA land is so invested in hcq and it’s very bizarre.
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Well, I for one believe, as always, that we should be able to hope we can trust in the credibilty of the leader of the free world.
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@mayjay well I for one, as always, wish in one hand and hope we can trust in the credibilty of the leader of the free world in the other, and see which one fills up first.
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I for one, lol, after being lied to so many times, have trust issues. I also believe in science and trusted Dr’s.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Well, I for one totally agree with Crim. When I was little, my parents didn’t tolerate lying and name calling - two trademark habits of his in which he seems to take pride and his supporters relish.
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I think I said that wrong.
Reboot!
Well I, for one, hope we can trust in the credibility of the leader of the free world in one hand, and crap in the other, and see which one fills up first.
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@approxinfinity And then you will end up with 2 full hands of excellent fertilizer, ironically meaning you are hoarding the substance rather than toilet paper like everyone else!
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@bcjayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
“When I was little, my parents didn’t tolerate lying and name calling…”
I told my stepsons, after several rounds of their dismayingly miserable failures at deception, that honesty was the best policy for people who are as bad as they were at lying. Example: older son sneaking out bedroom window after leaving pillows in his bed under the blankets to look like he was asleep. Weak strategy: “How did you know I was gone?”
“Well, Joe, you locked the door and wouldn’t answer, so I kicked it down.”
“Yeah, I wondered if that was a good move.”
“Joe, me lad, th’ life of crime is nae fer ya.”
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@mayjay That’s a cute story. I bet you’re a great dad, step or not. I was raised by a step dad that I adored.
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A lot of you guys point fingers at the President and say he didn’t handle the Wuhan virus situation properly. Well so far the virus has a less than 1% mortality rate. I’ll tell you what has a 100% mortality rate, abortion. Abortion has a 100% mortality rate and we have the absolute capacity to eliminate it. Sad that we won’t. Sad. Where is the science in keeping it?
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@Hawk69 you’re going way off the rails with that one.
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@Hawk69 start a new thread if you want that to be the topic. See who engages. The two things have nothing to do with each other and that comment has no place on a COVID thread.
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Frustrating…
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@BShark that is complete BS and has been refuted since. Please disregard that article.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@BShark that is complete BS and has been refuted since. Please disregard that article.
Link? I’m not surprised though. So much misinformation.
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@BShark I don’t have a link atm, can dig one up later. Family in health department.
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Didn’t know exactly where to post this BUT seeing as how it related to COVID thought well. - - - - The State of Kansas has now recorded it’s 1st positive case of the Corona Virus from a High School Football Athlete. - - Positive despite them using all the preventive measures. - - Temp checking , Social distancing , Disinfecting equipment , frequent washing of hands , using sanitizer.
Once it was found out positive the boy and ALL of his teammates were put in quarintee. - -The athlete is from Lost Springs Centre High in Marion County - - - little town , they play 8 man division 2 in football and 1 A in Basketball. - -This is not a good sign , could very easily turn into a cluster , and just solidifies even more the thought that the football Season could in the end end up being Cancelled - - disrupted or what ever - - same goes for the College ranks.
Also the number of Hospitalizations in Sedgwick Co has double with positive new cases and spiking
Also just today a few hours ago here in Topeka KNI a State Agency for the aging and disability reported 12 new cases of the Virus - -well they said AT LEAST 12 - -these are all signs that this thing is STILL really prevalent not going anywhere for awhile. - -WHO still predicting that 2nd wave come Sept. , which I don’t doubt for a minute and still wouldn’t surprise me when it’s all said and done that Public Schools will be doing on line. – KU already sending students to stay home after Thanksgiving and rest of fall break - -Public Schools I’m sure will follow suit. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 As a teacher the beginning of the school year seems destined to be an absolute mess. No one has any idea what to do. Feels like everyone is waiting around for something to happen or someone to tell them what to do. A good portion of my colleagues are part of the at-risk population so I don’t know how we ask them to step into buildings with 1600 students who have been all over the place all summer.
A fair number of my students live with grandparents in their homes, parents with other ailments that put them in the at risk population. How do those kids go sit in a classroom with 25 other students?
I know here our “online learning” was a mess from April-June so we better hope there is a better plan floating around somewhere. I’m doing all I can to prepare for the many alternatives I’ve been presented but none of them seem very good. And don’t get me wrong, I don’t know the answers either.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 As a teacher the beginning of the school year seems destined to be an absolute mess. No one has any idea what to do. Feels like everyone is waiting around for something to happen or someone to tell them what to do. A good portion of my colleagues are part of the at-risk population so I don’t know how we ask them to step into buildings with 1600 students who have been all over the place all summer.
A fair number of my students live with grandparents in their homes, parents with other ailments that put them in the at risk population. How do those kids go sit in a classroom with 25 other students?
I know here our “online learning” was a mess from April-June so we better hope there is a better plan floating around somewhere. I’m doing all I can to prepare for the many alternatives I’ve been presented but none of them seem very good. And don’t get me wrong, I don’t know the answers either.
I feel for ya , sad to say it’s probably going to continue to be a mess for at least awhile. New reports just coming out from a sports side. - - The NFL is talking seriously now if it hasn’t been done - -they are talking about they are now talking bout shutting down conditioning drills totally, where they can’t even workout with ONE other player - -no conditioning no nothing - - here we go again. - - The MLB also taking about shutting down everything to the virus - -the NBA not sure what they are going to do. - -Now like they said - - here is the good news IT’S JUN 22nd - official training suppose to start like in Aug - -but it just doesn’t sound good.
Like they said remember how from the sports side how this all started and caused a chain reaction ? - - ONE Player - -what name was it ? Rudy Gayle right from Seattle? - -what I’m trying to get at is - -just seems like this is wrapping up again - -lot’s of new cases, I can just see it coming
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@jayballer73 If a player from the Seattle SuperSonics has the virus this thing has been around for longer than anyone is letting on! Lol. I do know what you are talking about but can’t remember his name either. I think Rudy is right but not Gayle…
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Rudy gobert
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Rudy gobert
ya that’s it - - Thanks
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@BShark The “asymptomatic not contagious” thing was, as @approxinfinity says, debunked–at least insofar as that was a simplified statement. WHO withdrew it several days later.
As I understand it, the discussion apparently was supposed to be a distinction between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. Basically, a lot of people who spread it while supposedly asymptomatic apparently were really in either the earliest stages (before symptoms appeared) or their symptoms were so mild they did not get attributed to CoVid.
So the early reports in Feb-May that it could be spread by totally asymptomatic carriers were likely based on incomplete or preliminary assessments. Because of people’s failure to realize that isolated sneezes or coughs might be symptoms, the scientists now realize that (as always) more complete data is needed before they will be sure.
The release got screwed up and over simplified, obviously, as people thought it meant what your link said.
It has long been said that most scientists do not get enough training in how to disseminate information to the general public, and that unfortunately not enough science reporters have backgrounds in science.
If I got this wrong, hopefully someone can correct me.
https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/asymptomatic-vs-presymptomatic
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@mayjay Makes sense. A lot of people don’t take disease very seriously. I’m not saying to live in fear but don’t go out while sick, be sanitary and wash your hands regularly etc… When I started taking it more seriously I started getting sick a lot less (this was a few years back after what I think was the norovirus hit me hard).
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@mayjay thanks for the assist
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@BShark We first heard about noro when we got interested in cruising, but fortunately we haven’t had an outbreak on our four. Sounds pretty nasty!
Of course, cruising is on pause for an unknown while…
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I’m getting an antibody test this week. I get 2-3 colds per year, usually one in the fall, 1-2 in the winter. Almost never in summer. And they always follow the same pattern: sore throat -> head congestion -> cough. Had a weird bug last week. Cough -> like a day of head congestion -> cough. May have been covid so we’ll find out!
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@FarmerJayhawk Good luck. My wife got tested but I thought she’d be negative and was. Symptoms of allergies only!
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@FarmerJayhawk no fever? Is the antibody test pretty reliable and does insurance pay for it?
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@mayjay said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@BShark We first heard about noro when we got interested in cruising, but fortunately we haven’t had an outbreak on our four. Sounds pretty nasty!
Of course, cruising is on pause for an unknown while…
It was the worst virus I’ve ever had. There were two days that were a struggle to even move enough to get water. I’m not 100% sure that’s what it was as I don’t go to the Dr for viral infections, I just ride them out. Haven’t had much of anything since then and I’m hoping my good habits keep me clear of rona.
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@mayjay thanks! I think I’ll be negative but I kind of hope it was covid because it was a super mild case and then I can help out anyone who needs errands run or donate plasma.
@Crimsonorblue22 no fever, which was weird. I’d have to do more research on it to know for sure. I think the UNC hospital is doing them for free just to help out the community. If not, I’m sure either my insurance or student health plan will. One small pro of being a forever student lol
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@FarmerJayhawk sure hope it isn’t covid. I used to get sick more as well. Not sure on your living situation but cleaning of duct work is good or it hasn’t been done in awhile.
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Positive rate in Texas is up to 9%.
Pediatric hospitals are having to take adults in. They’re running out of ICU beds quickly.
Bleak situation.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Positive rate in Texas is up to 9%.
Pediatric hospitals are having to take adults in. They’re running out of ICU beds quickly.
Bleak situation.
Jeez.
Not sure we can just shut down the country again because of the greedlords in charge but this is awful.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Positive rate in Texas is up to 9%.
Pediatric hospitals are having to take adults in. They’re running out of ICU beds quickly.
Bleak situation.
We were also pretty much the first state to open back up. Here in Houston, we’re now under a mandatory mask order until the end of the month and I really wouldn’t be shocked if it gets extended. Off-season football conditioning began started up last week so I’m sure there’s going to be something similar to what we saw when college football teams regathered to begin their conditioning programs.
I’m torn on whether or not sports at the middle school level should be cancelled this year because 12-15 year old kids aren’t going to follow safety protocols the way they need to be followed and a lot of them live with people at higher risk for severe symptoms so there’s a safety element that’s a very strong reason to not do sports. Selfishly, not having sports would be over a 10% drop in income next year which is significant when you’re trying to save up for a house.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Positive rate in Texas is up to 9%.
Pediatric hospitals are having to take adults in. They’re running out of ICU beds quickly.
Bleak situation.
people wanting to rush back to re-open. and then after they did dropping lot of them anyways just dropping all restrictions. I understand people needing to get back to work but there were the WHO officals warning , and even now this virus is/has not gone away. - Sure work but you have to take precautions. - Many want to act as though this virus never took place
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@jayballer73 If only we had a more responsible government. That 1200 was never going to be able to hold over many people. Giving people the choice between potentially dying or going broke…hell of a choice.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 If only we had a more responsible government. That 1200 was never going to be able to hold over many people. Giving people the choice between potentially dying or going broke…hell of a choice.
for sure. - -Sounds like they are getting pretty close to another round of direct deposit stimulus. - -several options on the table but sounds like in the end it’s going to be pretty close to the other one we got with another 1,200
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The lockdowns are over, probably for good, no matter what policymakers decide. The public health folks shot their wad in tacitly endorsing the protests (it’s a good cause, don’t get me wrong, just very bad for public health during a pandemic). People will open their businesses, go to church, go out on the town, etc. because they sense the hypocrisy and won’t tolerate it. Can’t condemn churchgoers and endorse protests and expect everyone to fall in line. So we’ve kind of got what we’ve got at this point. Maybe something like a centralized test, trace, and quarantine program would work. Hotels aren’t being used like normal, so just put anyone with exposure up for 2 weeks. At least then the rooms will get used and we can prevent further spread.
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I know some restaurants in wichita have closed back up due to rising numbers. Afraid they will be forced to close. Businesses are trying to enforce mask wearing! Mass gatherings from mem. Day and graduations have raised numbers here in ks. Clusters. I know our school is getting together to read a huge plan that covers many options. I know there are many kids whose parents will keep them at home due to many health issues. It’s a mess! So many changes. All depends if we can lower numbers now, which depends on all of us.
