Paging Jaybate to the Courtesy Phone (Injuries)
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BeddieKU23 said:
Name a year we didn’t have important players banged up.
Can’t even begin to remember how long it has been since we skated through without any. - -long hard grizzly season
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Kcmatt7 said:
This team is definitely good enough to win it all this year.
To this point, this is currently the third highest graded (on Kenpom) KU team in Self’s tenure based on overall adjusted efficiency. Last year was the 2nd worst (behind only 2004). What a turnaround plus you know who staying healthy this year (knock on wood).
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@BShark A legit shot to win it all, more than we’ve had in awhile.
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@BShark Doke is the best big man in college ball right now. His impact on both ends is unmatched. You literally have to double team him everytime he touches it or he scores. And he is blocking 11% of shots and teams are only scoring 81 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor. I don’t know of any Bill Self player with a lower Drtg per 100 possessions ever.
If journos looked at more than just PPG, Doke would be in the lead for POY imo.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Doke is the best big man in college ball right now. His impact on both ends is unmatched. You literally have to double team him everytime he touches it or he scores. And he is blocking 11% of shots and teams are only scoring 81 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor. I don’t know of any Bill Self player with a lower Drtg per 100 possessions ever.
If journos looked at more than just PPG, Doke would be in the lead for POY imo.
No doubt, is in bigtime shape. Wonder where he’ll go in the draft? I realize that he’s limited offensively, but man he is a beast. I see early second round, am I wrong.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t know of any Bill Self player with a lower Drtg per 100 possessions ever.
Basically no one.
Hunter and Cheick were mid 80s but only played 200 minutes.
Jo was 90, so you could imagine him as a SR…
Jeff bigdong Withey in his legendary SR campaign was 84.2.
TRob 84.6 as a JR.
SR Cole was the closest I saw at 83.1.
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@Marco '18, '17, '16? Do we think this team is better than of those? I’m kind of leaning that all three were better, assessing things right now. The Q for me is how Lucas was the drag on the '17 and '16 teams.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Marco '18, '17, '16? Do we think this team is better than of those? I’m kind of leaning that all three were better, assessing things right now. The Q for me is how Lucas was the drag on the '17 and '16 teams.
I think it depends on what point of the season you’re assessing. This team is better than the 17-18 group as of January 30th. That group had one more loss, and a couple of them were pretty bad (ASU and Tech at home, the infamous hack-a-Doke game at OU) and a lot of folks thought we were the 3rd best team in the league behind Tech and Trae Young’s OU team. We were ranked 7th in the AP poll.
The 15-16 group had just lost 3 of 5 and was reeling some heading into the game against UK at Allen (which we one in OT). The 16-17 group was 20-2 coming off a really good road win at Rupp.
So if I had to rank each on January 30th I’d say: 17, 16, 20, 18. Of course the 18 group was the best at the end but it’s comparing two different things, so tried to keep it apples to apples.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Marco '18, '17, '16? Do we think this team is better than of those? I’m kind of leaning that all three were better, assessing things right now. The Q for me is how Lucas was the drag on the '17 and '16 teams.
Statistically this team is better but the 16 team is close. That was a lost opportunity. Absolutely should have won it all…
18, despite making the final four is a bottom half Self team statistically which goes to show the luck involved in making a FF. It also, to be fair, shows the importance of offense. It’s easier to get lucky if you can shoot. Good defense can also mostly only do so much. That team was average defensively but other teams can still just miss shots such as the miracle roll out shot by Grayson. Then they were ultimately exposed by Villanova.
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@BShark Isn’t the bigger issue that there are no outstanding teams this year? Apparently, at least, so far. That gives our flawed outside shooting team that plays good defense and has a big man that teams will always have to account for, as good a chance as anyone?
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Hawk8086 said:
@BShark Isn’t the bigger issue that there are no outstanding teams this year? Apparently, at least, so far. That gives our flawed outside shooting team that plays good defense and has a big man that teams will always have to account for, as good a chance as anyone?
That’s exactly it. I think the eye test tells us this team has issues, and isn’t as close to say the 2010 team as the numbers would indicate. the numbers are relative to the rest of college basketball, which is down.
There is no reason this team can’t win a title, but every game after the 16 (maybe 15) seed will be like pulling teeth.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t know of any Bill Self player with a lower Drtg per 100 possessions ever.
Basically no one.
Hunter and Cheick were mid 80s but only played 200 minutes.
Jo was 90, so you could imagine him as a SR…
Jeff bigdong Withey in his legendary SR campaign was 84.2.
TRob 84.6 as a JR.
SR Cole was the closest I saw at 83.1.
Thanks for verifying.
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If it tells you how I feel about this team, If the Chiefs win and the total points are over 54 on Sunday, I’m probably going to be rolling a grand on to KU at 7/1.
Value picks rn - Kentucky at 20/1. SDSU at 30/1. Ohio State 50/1. Texas Tech 60/1.
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SDSU is great value statistics say teams that make it this far undefeated are going places in the tourney
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BeddieKU23 said:
SDSU is great value statistics say teams that make it this far undefeated are going places in the tourney
Yea I’m about 99% sure I’m going to throw $100 their way.
They’ve beaten some very good teams. Iowa, BYU, Creighton, and Utah St. are top 50 teams. All of those games were either Neutral or Away games too…
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I think Baylor is an elite team. They remind me of 10-11 Connecticut, except they’re better defensively.
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I’ll take a Baylor, KU, Louisville, ? Final 4.
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@HighEliteMajor those teams were great, no doubt. But in the tournament alot of times it’s about matchups and lucky bounces. If it weren’t, as loaded as UK was there for a time, they would have won five or six consecutive national chamionships.
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@approxinfinity That last one might be a west coast team – SDSU or Gonzaga.
Also- I might take a Big 10 team that gets hot down the stretch over Louisville.
Although Baylor and KU both look strong, chances of both getting there are slim.
It would be unusual if there were only 1 team representing the Big East, SEC and ACC in the FF. That has happened 5 times in 20 years (20%).
It would be even more unusual if the National Champion came from a conference other than these three. That has happened only 3 times in 20 years.
Most unusual, however, would be a FF without any of those 3 conferences. This has never happened in the last 20 years.
(Note to self: If the final four has only one team from these three conferences, put your money on that team as the champion – 85% chance.)
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bskeet said:
(Note to self: If the final four has only one team from these three conferences, put your money on that team as the champion – 85% chance.)
lol. thanks for the hot tip
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@Marco It’s not that there aren’t lucky bounces and favorable matchup that influence things, that’s true in every sport. Over an extended period time, much of that is mitigated. It’s that somehow, some way, excellent programs win the NC. Two-thirds of the last 30 years of champions by just six teams. If we’re Syracuse, my view is different. As a blue blood, talking in the same breath as UK 3, UNC 4, Duke 5 (and non-blue blood UConn 4) it’s really not about lucky bounces or favorable matchups – over that extended period of time. It’s about cashing in at a reasonable rate, over time. No getting around it. We haven’t done it.
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Marco said:
@HighEliteMajor those teams were great, no doubt. But in the tournament alot of times it’s about matchups and lucky bounces. If it weren’t, as loaded as UK was there for a time they would have won five or six consecutive national chamionships.
No , now Marco that’s not right. - - HighElite will tell you as much , Matchups , who is playing well at the time – a Key rebound here/there - - a turnover here- - a turnover there - -is not what helps winning National Championships , It is NOT a crap shoot come tourney time. HighElite says so, -So let it be written - - -So let it be Done lol.
Just to let you know , I’m in total agreement with you These things have ALOT to do with it
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Marco It’s not that there aren’t lucky bounces and favorable matchup that influence things, that’s true in every sport. Over an extended period time, much of that is mitigated. It’s that somehow, some way, excellent programs win the NC. Two-thirds of the last 30 years of champions by just six teams. If we’re Syracuse, my view is different. As a blue blood, talking in the same breath as UK 3, UNC 4, Duke 5 (and non-blue blood UConn 4) it’s really not about lucky bounces or favorable matchups – over that extended period of time. It’s about cashing in at a reasonable rate, over time. No getting around it. We haven’t done it.
It’s a Myth
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2010, 2011 and 2016 were huge misses. It’s funny to me that Bill made the FF in 2012 and 2018 with worse teams.
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This team has it’s nicks and bruises, no doubt. So do most (or all) D1 teams by now.
Then the question is: should Self adjust PT, giving less time to the starters? I feel fine with how he has used his bench so far. He definitely has allowed a freshman (Christian) into the big time minutes.
Is our play hampered by all these nicks? I don’t see it enough to say we have a problem. We have other issues that need to be addressed completely unrelated to being nicked up.
Here is an issue: this is one of the worst passing teams we have had in a while. Also, a team not understanding floor spacing and timing. Passes are not hard or on target. We work our offense, feed the post and draw the double team, then we can’t get the ball out to a shooter in time because the defenses make up the distance to stop or impact the trey shot. This isn’t just about Doke or Mac passing from in to out, but also passing on the perimeter isn’t on target for shooters to catch and shoot in one clean motion.
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BShark said:
2010, 2011 and 2016 were huge misses. It’s funny to me that Bill made the FF in 2012 and 2018 with worse teams.
No luck involved there. Lol The 97 team is the championship that got away. The other teams were deeply flawed in some way. That squad picking up its second loss of the year to Arizona still makes me feel ill.
The biggest recent disappointment to me was Perry’s senior season - I had been waiting for a couple years for that team to come together and fully expected them to win it all. KU still hasn’t fielded as good of a team since.
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Garrett nursing an arch injury on his foot now. Kid can’t catch a break
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@BeddieKU23 I heard it was the arch of his toe. Not heard that one before
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This foot injury happened in the Tenn game per Self. Hasn’t been practicing.
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I’m wondering if we should try to sit Garrett for the Texas game Monday?
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Maybe a weird pick here, but man, I still imagine what a force of nature a fully healthy Embiid and a fired up Wiggs would have been at the Dance in ‘14.
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@Kubie Might be in the metatarsal.
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Imagine what Big Monday is going to be like in AFH the day after the Super Bowl
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https://twitter.com/GaryBedore/status/1224505002430955520
Bedore now reporting the same thing.
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Was about to post that!
