KU's next coach.
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@nuleafjhawk Huh?
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@Fightsongwriter Bruce Weber
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Itās been too long - i forget how to upload pictures in here.
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@nuleafjhawk Hit reply (not quick reply) and click on the cloud with an arrow icon above the text box to insert a picture.
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@nuleafjhawk If you are using a smat phone instead of a tablet or PC, you will have to scroll the icons at the top (the bolface, italics, etc) over two items to unveil the upload icon. The emoji icon is the first hidden one, upload with cloud and arrow is the next one. I spent months before I discovered the invisible part of the icon bar.
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@mayjay Thank you! Iām on a PC most of the day, but thanks for the info.
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@nuleafjhawk Well, it acts like itās going to show the pics, but doesnāt!
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@dylans i know the reference. I dont get why i was linked. I was commenting on Bobby Hurl-ey
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@Fightsongwriter Was just making (silly) suggestions for future coaches.
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At this point, your first offer has to be Tony Bennett. But I think he stays on the East Coast and holds out for UNC or Duke.
Your second has to be Chris Beard. But he has UTās next HC written all over him.
3rd, Will Wade. A legit candidate imo. Probably a lot depends on who leaves first, Cal or Self.
Nobody else jumps off the page. Hoiberg may be a decent consolation prize.
Mick Cronin I could probably live with.
Chris Mack would be fine, but probably not leaving.
Steve Wojciechowski could be a candidate by the time Self is done, but heās a Dukie.
Mitch Henderson is interesting.
Nate Oats is interesting.
Craig Smith is intriguing.
Justin Hutson is a guy to keep an eye on.
Mike Hopkins is already doing good things at Washington. But not sure heās a blue blood fit.
Andy Enfield kind of is ok, maybe. I canāt tell.
Mike White would be good. But heās from Florida so I doubt heād leave.
Wes Miller would seem like a good hire if he maybe bumped up a level and still had success.
Kyle Smith is on a decent trajectory, but doesnāt seem to have āitā
Chris Jans is probably a stud coach. Like has all the makings of one. But he has Greg Marshall ties, so pukeā¦ But also, heās coached in Kansas multiple times now so he probably wouldnāt turn down the job because of the location or anythingā¦
Thatās my list, thank you.
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there is NO WAY I would want bennet - his offense sucks - -got to be the most boring offense in the Nation - I would take someone with KU ties way before Bennett - -ummm PASS
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Forgetting maybe the best option, Nevadaās Musselman. What he has done there is truly remarkable in a short time. Modern offense and can recruit.
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No on Bennett. What @jayballer73 said.
Like the Musselman mention from @BeddieKU23, but second to Beard in my book.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Forgetting maybe the best option, Nevadaās Musselman. What he has done there is truly remarkable in a short time. Modern offense and can recruit.
Something seems off about him. Iām going to play wait an see first.
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No on a guy who can consistently put together a top 15 team at a second rate ACC school?
Because he plays at a slow pace? I think Iāll take the defensive guru and known commodity in Bennett any day if the week.
Beard is basically the same guy with less of a track record lol.
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Next yr will be the test without all those seniors but he is an exciting coach. I dont see the flags but its remarkable what he has done. I still prefer Jay Wright but I think Musselman would be a logical contender unlike Wright. I just fail to see a real successor at the moment. We are all looking for the perfect guy but in reality HOF types like Self are just irreplaceable
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BeddieKU23 said:
Next yr will be the test without all those seniors but he is an exciting coach. I dont see the flags but its remarkable what he has done. I still prefer Jay Wright but I think Musselman would be a logical contender unlike Wright. I just fail to see a real successor at the moment. We are all looking for the perfect guy but in reality HOF types like Self are just irreplaceable
We are lucky.
Which is why I think itās funny that people shoot down someone like Bennett so fast. Heās the type of guy that would at least keep us on a path of success.
Look at UCLA, Syracuse, and Indiana. It doesnāt last for foreverā¦ Itās not a guarantee that KU can hire a guy that keeps the train moving.
Even UK struggled under Tubby. Duke could struggle under whoever is next. UNC was fortunate they had a HOF coach they could poach.
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Bennett is a hell of a coach but the stigma of his offense will always follow him. He actually has a group this year capable of scoring. Not sure he has consistently shown that with other teams. With his reputation I wonder if he limits the type of recruits KU could get given all the challenges they already face to land kids. You are right though he instantly would make the program churn on at a high level. Iām still not sold on him as a tournament coach which is another big conversation to have regarding him. Not a perfect coach for KU imo but the list is so small to begin with. I have to think KU goes for someone when the time comes that is relatively young enough to stick around 10-15 years. That itself makes the list smaller
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Iām a Beard fan as well. He definitely has my respect how he has come into this conference and not only been successful he seems to be very good with the media and how he talks about other programs. Easy to like.
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Kcmatt7 said:
No on a guy who can consistently put together a top 15 team at a second rate ACC school?
Because he plays at a slow pace? I think Iāll take the defensive guru and known commodity in Bennett any day if the week.
Beard is basically the same guy with less of a track record lol.
Nope pass but good luck with him - -myself really not into slow mo offense Iāll take up and down the floor - -the smooth running open floor offense instead of pass - - pass - - pass - - pass - - pas - - - pas - -pass - - pas - -pass - -waiting for my friend sitting next to me to wake me up when they decide to shoot a 20 footer a the end of the shot clock- -maybe rebound then -pass - - -pas - -pas - -pas some more not what I call and exciting brand of ball - -Hell Iād take Turg - -Or Danny before Iād take Bennett - but you go ahead - - Iāll pass - really hard from a stand standpoint for your fanbase trying to watch and get jacked for the bran of ball. - -Hell the most exciting part of a game like his offense might be a 6-0 run during the game - -just doesnāt get me hyped - -sorry
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@Kcmatt7 If Beard had his choice, would it be KU or Texas?!
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Who in their right mind would rather coach Texas CBB than Kansas?
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So I saw Croninās name now with Mack. Seriously, anyone know of the history of these two clowns? First class jerks in my view. Their teams In Cincy were always fighting, arguing, posing, etc. Iād be chagrined to say the least if KU hired either one of them.
@HighEliteMajor PHOF!
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https://www.wlwt.com/article/crosstown-drama-mick-cronin-chris-mack-exchange-postgame-barbs/14006777
https://www.cincinnatimagazine.com/sports-3/mack-cronin-odd-couple/
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Iām still kind of hopeful Bennett winds up at Wisconsin where heās from.
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Bennett coached a one seed to a first round exit. IDK about him. Decent coach, but methinks KU will do better.
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@dylans I really donāt see HCBS leaving. No NCAA at the next level, but the ego headaches/problems would be much greater than at this level. Every level has its particular problems and issues.
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@colohawks Iām with you. Just playing the game.
All I know is I donāt want someone with KU ties at this point. Manning didnāt pan out. Haase is ok, not great. Does Vaughn still coach? Not a good sign that I donāt know.
The current assistants are old except Snacks and heās not doing much for me. Townson could be a decent head coach somewhere.
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@HighEliteMajor Beard is a UT alum and it was where he got his start coaching. I also think, and this could be wrong, but he left the UNLV job for the Tech job to be closer to his daughter.
So, I could see why this would make sense in his case. Otherwise, Iād agree with you.
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If Bennett make the FF this year, does anyoneās tune change on him?
It isnāt like Selfās offense, until recently, was anything exciting. Swing swing swing swing lob.
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Count me with those who would not enjoy a Tony Bennett style of play here. Some of the most boring ball Iāve ever watched. Now, it may not be the best reason but itās definitely a reason.
If weāre gonna keep on playing the dirty game that everyone apparently is and has to play. May as well get Pitino. Surely he has figured out by now how to not get caught againā¦ Lol. JK
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@Kcmatt7 Youāve just indicted Tony Bennett ā well, in the loose way weāve seen recent indictments at least. You brought up FFs.
Tony Bennett, with all the good teams heās supposedly had, heās never made the FF and made just one Elite Eight.
I think his style of play is what Bill Self used to want to do, but a bit more extreme. Itās what has held Self back in the past.
It can create regular season success, but when youāre offensively challenged, there in a much smaller margin of error ā which is a big deal in a one and done format.
No doubt, an excellent coach.
But I have no desire for this type of approach. I want national titles.
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@HighEliteMajor In addition to wanting titles, I also simply enjoy watching fun, high scoring college basketball. We have been so spoiled over the years to have fun offensive teams to watch all season long. Watching 35 games that are played in the 50ās does not sound appealing.
I like offense. Think about the Chiefs. This team is SO much more fun to watch than the āMarty ballā of the 1990ās.
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@joeloveshawks And, a little known fact, you can play excellent defense while scoring a lot. Itās why Selfās statement about giving up points is just ridiculous. Itās all relative to possessions. If you score quicker, there will be more possessions. But you can still play good defense. There is not some innate connection.
More possessions is a longer game in a way, meaning there is more of an opportunity for the better team to demonstrate itās dominance. Of course, thereās the discussion of bad shots, valuing possessions, etc., that we canāt ignore. But scoring the ball frequently creates a greater margin of error.
You can be terrific defensively and give up a higher points per game than a lesser defensive team. Again, itās all relative.
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@HighEliteMajor Thing is, Bennett is doing what he is doing with mostly 3 star recruits or guys in the back half of the top 100.
Imagine what he could do with the major bump in recruiting he would get at KU?
Self was always a good recruiter. Bennett has done what heās done with far worse players than Self did on his climb. Iād expect Bennett to absolutely dominate with better players.
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@Kcmatt7 I agree - I would take Bennett in a heartbeat. He has built a consistent winner without getting the top tier talent that has gone to Duke, and, to a lesser extent UNC, in the ACC. His teams play great defense. They havenāt been nearly as good offensively, which has caught up with them in the tournament, although this yearās UVA team can score and play at a faster pace. Averaging just 3 points less per game than KU, with obviously a much better defense. Would think that Bennett could recruit higher quality talent at KU - although he may well have more NBA talent on his team this year than we doā¦
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@DCHawker His ability to turn guys into NBA players is amazing to me. He has an eye for talent and is able to develop players.
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@Kcmatt7 So do you then think heās a better coach than Self? That would be a good selling point. Heās had success in a better league.
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@HighEliteMajor I will let @Kcmatt7 answer for himself, but to your point, UVA has outright won the ACC 3 of the past 5 years (one 2nd place finish) and is tied for the lead this year - in a conference that has a lot more top tier talent and much stronger teams at the top (i.e., tourney champs). Doesnāt make him a better coach than HCBS - but pretty strong evidence that he is a damn good one - regardless of what one thinks about the style of playā¦
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FYI,
Current 2019 commits
Shedrick- #56, Morsell #58
2016 class
Kyle Guy- #37
Ty Jerome- #44
Jay Huff- #57
Deandre Hunter- #91
Braxton- Key #59 (transferred from Alabama)
2015 Class
Diakite- #32 (enrolled half a semester early)
2014 Class
Salt #356
Everyone but 2018 recruit Clark and Salt ranked outside the Top 100. It does seem like heās done more with less but overall everyone in his rotation besides those two were highly regarded HS prospects
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 So do you then think heās a better coach than Self? That would be a good selling point. Heās had success in a better league.
It is a tough question to answer. I think he COULD be. But he might also be worse.
However, his floor is by far the highest of any other hypothetical candidate out there at the moment. And, his ceiling is definitely high enough to win a NC. Which, to me, makes him a safe hire that would certainly protect the legacy of KU basketball.
I just donāt want to be the new UCLA. Or Indiana. A has been program holding on to decades old accolades and finishing in the middle of the pack.
Sacrificing a little bit of ceiling height to ensure the floor doesnāt give out is important to me.
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BeddieKU23 said:
FYI,
Current 2019 commits
Shedrick- #56, Morsell #58
2016 class
Kyle Guy- #37
Ty Jerome- #44
Jay Huff- #57
Deandre Hunter- #91
Braxton- Key #59 (transferred from Alabama)
2015 Class
Diakite- #32 (enrolled half a semester early)
2014 Class
Salt #356
Everyone but 2018 recruit Clark and Salt ranked outside the Top 100. It does seem like heās done more with less but overall everyone in his rotation besides those two were highly regarded HS prospects
Fair enough. They still donāt finish absurdly high in any team rankings nationally when recruiting. But most likely thatās because they keep 4 year players and only need to replace roughly 3 guys a season.
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To answer your previous question. I donāt think a Final 4 would change my opinion on Bennett. A title may sway me but its a Championship. At that point I think it would be stupid to not recognize him if he did win it this year.
I think his group of kids he has developed for this year is his best yet but its taken 3-4 years to get this core group here. He does this every couple of years imo getting his core to the top. I think heās proven he can sustain success year in and year out which is a big selling point for him. Tournament success is still his monkey on his back. That 1st round historic loss will always be there. Imagine the pressure this team will face this year in March to get the first out of the way.
Whatever coach does have to take over for Self it will be incredible pressure.
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I didnāt include his 17 or 18 hauls which have done nothing outside of Clark whoās playing big minutes as a 300+ ranked recruit. Definitely agree, his classes donāt get the national attention UK/Duke/KU get.
Also great points about having a coach sustain what we have and living with whatever shortcomings he might have in certain areas that we are used to being strengths at KU.
I think Bennett has adapted some on offense this year since he has a squad that can score. Their 3 main guys are as good as any in the country
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Kcmatt7 said:
@HighEliteMajor Thing is, Bennett is doing what he is doing with mostly 3 star recruits or guys in the back half of the top 100.
Imagine what he could do with the major bump in recruiting he would get at KU?
Self was always a good recruiter. Bennett has done what heās done with far worse players than Self did on his climb. Iād expect Bennett to absolutely dominate with better players.
I think your fighting as losing battle here from what I see as fa as having Bennett at KU - -thank GODI donāt think we will ever have to worry about that happening. ā And what he is doing is NOT making it to final fours there is not a lot of people willing to put up with that type of offense - - itās a snooze - -nobody wants to see that - -like is mentioned here from other posts - wanting to see scores in the 70-80-3 not upper 50ās to lowāmid sixties
