Ochai
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@Woodrow I think the redundancy of having 4 guards on the court (and really 5, as Dedric operates in many ways like a huge guard) should in theory allow people to remain on the court that are struggling with their shot, and not force the shot. If we just have a couple guys at any given time other than Dedric that are shooting well, we’ll be in pretty good shape. Its the same number of shooters as when we had Devonte, Svi, Frank, Jackson, Lucas, and Vick as 6th man in 2016-2017. Generally speaking, 2 to 3 of our guards needed to be shooting well for us to win, with Frank as a constant. With Dedric as a constant, thats 1 or 2 guards that need to shoot well.
So I fully expect one guard’s success to spill over into the next’s.
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I said it before, but self said last night they knew Ochai was good, but he had never seen anyone improve like he has from the beginning of the year til now. Also we were so deep. Did u read what what his mom said? Something about, wow he has really improved! Then he had the stress fracture, didn’t hear anything about that last pm. Must not have been severe if he had time to improve so much.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
I said it before, but self said last night they knew Ochai was good, but he had never seen anyone improve like he has from the beginning of the year til now.
Embiid would like a word. But yes it is impressive.
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@BShark I think it sometimes is overlooked that Embiid was really, really good when he got here. The video we looked at when he signed evidenced incredible skill. It wasn’t the normal dunkfest stuff that some videos are. Ball-handling, footwork, shooting touch. The whole package. But he did take off with the high quality coaching applied to that skill set.
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@BShark maybe he just said he really really improved???
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Agbaji played really, really well last night. If he plays like that going forward, pulling the redshirt was well worth it.
He made an impact on both ends, and his hustle was contagious. In some ways, he’s Marcus Garrett, but a much better shooter. He gives this KU team another weapon.
Credit to Bill Self and staff for seeing that. I was very skeptical, as my posts from yesterday made clear, but Agbaji has a chance to be a big piece on this team, and he does raise the ceiling in a significant way, but also raises the floor because he’s such a well rounded player.
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Agbaji’s jump shot release looks like…Michael Jordan. I am in NO WAY comparing him to Jordan but that is who I thought of.
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Agbaji is another case file for not overreacting to Self signing lower ranked guys early. Not super early, that’s been pretty bad actually. This is why I’m not going to freak out about Self taking guys that are good HS players in their SR year. It also helps when the move isn’t out of desperation. Which Ochai was clearly not initially, as the plan was to RS him. So I’m not worried at all about McBride or Braun, I expect they will be damn good players for KU before they are done.
Side note: Cunliffe, Anrio etc…were not good HS players. Also Cunliffe was a transfer obviously, and I’d love to get away from transfers for the most part.
@HighEliteMajor Embiid definitely wasn’t a scrub, but by the end before his injury he was worlds better than the start of the year.
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BShark said:
Side note: Cunliffe, Anrio etc…were not good HS players. Also Cunliffe was a transfer obviously, and I’d love to get away from transfers for the most part.
Me too!
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I can’t spell or pronounce this dude’s name - first, or last. Could we come up with an appropriate nickname?
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@nuleafjhawk like chai tea, o chai
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@nuleafjhawk Bill calls him Och
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I call him Stud!
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@Woodrow Hopefully, our opponents will be calling him OUCH.
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BShark said:
Side note: Cunliffe, Anrio etc…were not good HS players. Also Cunliffe was a transfer obviously, and I’d love to get away from transfers for the most part.
Odd fact, Cunliffe and Adams both graduated from the same high school (Rainier Beach in Seattle). CJ Giles and Roderick Stewart also went to that school.
Given those names, its no surprise that Rainier Beach is a perennial state power in Washington, winning or playing for the state title just about every season.
Looking first at Adams, he led the state of Washington in scoring as a sophomore, junior and senior. He led two different schools to state titles while in high school. Averaged 21 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists per game as a senior. That’s a darn good player.
Cunliffe averaged 21/9/3 as a senior, and 20/5/5 as a junior. He was the state tournament MVP as a senior when he led Rainier Beach to the title. Darn good high school player.
You don’t get recruited to a P5 school (any P5 school, not just Kansas) if you were not a stud in high school. P5 bench guys were all state picks in high school.
Take Garrett Luinstra, a current walkon at KU. He went to Lawrence Free State. All he did in high school was toss in 19 points per game and set a school record for points in a season.
Chris Teahan was an all district player at Rockhurst as a junior and senior.
Those two guys were darn good HS players.
If you were an average or below high school player, you might have a chance to walk on at a D2 or NAIA school, but if you are at a P5 school, you were a stud in high school without a doubt, and likely one of the better players in your state as a senior.
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justanotherfan said:
BShark said:
Side note: Cunliffe, Anrio etc…were not good HS players. Also Cunliffe was a transfer obviously, and I’d love to get away from transfers for the most part.
Odd fact, Cunliffe and Adams both graduated from the same high school (Rainier Beach in Seattle). CJ Giles and Roderick Stewart also went to that school.
Given those names, its no surprise that Rainier Beach is a perennial state power in Washington, winning or playing for the state title just about every season.
Looking first at Adams, he led the state of Washington in scoring as a sophomore, junior and senior. He led two different schools to state titles while in high school. Averaged 21 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists per game as a senior. That’s a darn good player.
Cunliffe averaged 21/9/3 as a senior, and 20/5/5 as a junior. He was the state tournament MVP as a senior when he led Rainier Beach to the title. Darn good high school player.
You don’t get recruited to a P5 school (any P5 school, not just Kansas) if you were not a stud in high school. P5 bench guys were all state picks in high school.
Take Garrett Luinstra, a current walkon at KU. He went to Lawrence Free State. All he did in high school was toss in 19 points per game and set a school record for points in a season.
Chris Teahan was an all district player at Rockhurst as a junior and senior.
Those two guys were darn good HS players.
If you were an average or below high school player, you might have a chance to walk on at a D2 or NAIA school, but if you are at a P5 school, you were a stud in high school without a doubt, and likely one of the better players in your state as a senior.
Fair points. I will mention though that guys that change high schools a bunch have a giant warning sign on them. Cunliffe and Adams both moved around a bunch. Billy Preston did as well.
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One of the best 6 players on the team currently. Wild.
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I expected a let down from Ochai in his second game. I was wrong, I’m jumping on the bandwagon.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to see us press. I could only imagine how effective it would be with our length.
You and me both. I think this team has the potential to maybe become the best on-ball pressure team under Self. We’ve got enough bodies to run… and speed.
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You know my friends I realize it’s only to games , 1 at home - - 1 on the road with Ochai . - -I mean the kid just seems so calm and in control , poised - -just seems like he is total control, even in Baylor’s runs just seemed he just stayed the same attitude. Sure doesn’t seem like he is a Freshman - -and one that was going to red shirt at that.
Just seems really poised. - -and plays a solid game all around. - -Seems like a very adequate defender [ [for sure has a solid shot from the perimeter on top of that I’m getting to really like when he is on the floor - -really like the four out and ONE big in - love the combination when he is on the floor.
With him & Garrett on the floor better defenders and they team just looks better. - -I dunno maybe wetting myself , getting to hyped with him on the floor I mean it’s only two games - -BUT man the team to me anyways sure look a lot better with him on the floor , seems like the run - a lot more & they just look more fluid - probably just me but eh - you know. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Kubie said:
I expected a let down from Ochai in his second game. I was wrong, I’m jumping on the bandwagon.
you and me both. Hope there is enough room on the wagon lol , like they said the kid seems very athletic and we were red shirting this guy? - -As much as I like Mitch looking back now – would of been much better for Mitch to red shirt this year instead of Ochai . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Poor Mitch! He gives us his all!
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Poor Mitch! He gives us his all!
He is still my guy - -always s brings his hard hat. - - must of forgot it yesterday though - - 8 stitches lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 gonna have to drink thru a straw. Wonder if he can play? Sure won’t feel good if he gets hit. He’s certainly tough enough.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@jayballer73 gonna have to drink thru a straw. Wonder if he can play? Sure won’t feel good if he gets hit. He’s certainly tough enough.
I don’t know for sure what they going to do about that. – Ya know I for sure don’t have no problems with them running the 4 out and 1 in , but just kind of wondering how Big Dave is doing emotionally right now as Coach had even said his role was gonna increase - -& then Coach had said before the Baylor game that he thought we would probably have to play 2 big’s more. - -Bad scenario would be if he gets frustrated with the way things playing out and end up transferring.
He obviously hadn’t thought he was gonna be starting by any means - -BUT I think he was thinking he would be getting more minutes then what he has. Hope he sticks with it. Possibly get some more time depending on how they handle Mitch’s injury - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 - you are literally the only person I’ve seen suggest Dave M might want to transfer… He knew when he came that he would be behind Dok and SDS, but now he has playing time. I believe he’ll grow. And stay…
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@jayballer73 as @Gorilla72 said David knew we had bigs when he came to town. Self said earlier in the season that Mitch would’ve red shirted had SDS been cleared.
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Mitch just snapped a ton a food on snapchat that he appeared to be eating. I doubt that it severe enough for him not to play. There is a risk of pulling the stitches but where they are at I’d say its unlikely.
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@kjayhawks wow! 8 stitches in his lip? Was it mashed potatoes? Pudding?
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@Crimsonorblue22 it was chicken and shrimp at longhorn steak house
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@kjayhawks lol
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Gorilla72 said:
@jayballer73 - you are literally the only person I’ve seen suggest Dave M might want to transfer… He knew when he came that he would be behind Dok and SDS, but now he has playing time. I believe he’ll grow. And stay…
ok so exactly what is your point? look everyone can have some sort of opinion - -I wasn’t trying to get any people to think it’s a ridiculous -the response to what I said you coming across to me is like I’m some sort of idiot - all I was ASKING more then stating was about him maybe be frustrated that’s all thanks budy
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thinking maybe it’s time for me to step away from this little site for some time - seems like I’m getting some people’s feathers ruffled - So gone for a bit see ya all in a little while - -just the way I’m seeing things - - hang in there guys while I’m gone - -I’ll be pulling for them too - - I’m OUT ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
Gorilla72 said:
@jayballer73 - you are literally the only person I’ve seen suggest Dave M might want to transfer… He knew when he came that he would be behind Dok and SDS, but now he has playing time. I believe he’ll grow. And stay…
ok so exactly what is your point? look everyone can have some sort of opinion - -I wasn’t trying to get any people to think it’s a ridiculous -the response to what I said you coming across to me is like I’m some sort of idiot - all I was ASKING more then stating was about him maybe be frustrated that’s all thanks budy
Naw. I didn’t mean it that way. Read it as “Interesting take. Are people thinking that? We need Big Dave!”
Hang around. Your opinions, especially on recruiting, are insightful.
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Big Dave is gonna Cole up a Psycho T for us this year.
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@approxinfinity Cole up and jam 'em tight!
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@approxinfinity one of my fav. Games
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For Big Dave to play more he needs to show his coach he deserves it. Ochai’s impact has negated his increased role right now. We’ll need this kid against Texas Tech (start 2 bigs) and when Dedric gets in foul trouble/needs a break. Give it time, however that may not be this year
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Beat the hell out of an ACC team
Beat the hell out of Roy
Punk the POY
And roll to the Finals
It was a good night!
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Interesting stuff.
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His scoop shots are a thing of beauty. Thought at least one of his 3’s would fall but no such luck. He’s a jumping bean and helping this team tremendously. Has looked good defending as well.
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That was a nice trip down memory lane thanks. Cole - big man on campus, smooth FT stroke, good hands, good swatter and hustled. Sure wouldn’t mind having that kind of help these next few months.
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@StLJhawk toothless smile
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The lack of a turnover in 60+ minutes for a freshman is really remarkable. Slivio had a TO his freshman year about 3 seconds in! Granted, not a guard. But still. Would be interesting to see how many minutes it took for BRush, or BMac, or Oubre, or Wigs to get their first TO. Now that would be an advanced metric!
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He’s kept it simple when he has the ball. Shoots when open. Moves the ball if he’s not. Pretty remarkable though the poise he’s had so far
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@BeddieKU23 Being a local kid, I wonder if he is aided by growing up watching Self-Coached teams… He might understand the system better than average because he’s seen it so many times.
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Interesting thought.
Some kids thrive in the moment. Opportunity and motivation can go a long ways.
Silvio took a few games but he was another that given the opportunity seized it and ran with it last year.
I keep thinking back to when Self went and saw him play and offered him a scholarship. The way they talked about him is what we are seeing right now. I hope it continues, he’s becoming a favorite of mine already
