The Next Coach
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’ve posted before about Les , So no one think the thought of signing Les to like a five year Contract and renewable if he wants to go longer. - -Yet at least five years – -let Les retain Tony Hull , let Tony be an understudy for those 5 years, --teach him , then if Les retires after the 5 years after studying under Les for those 5 years promote Tony as the Head Coach. - What Tony has been in Division 1 foot ball for 2 years with Coaching duties- - -give the 5 under Les so there would be 7 years and let him take over - - -be able to maintain good recruiting ties to the boot? – -I think that could work.-- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@kjayhawks I don’t follow college football closely enough to comment obviously. I thought Weiss had done fairly well at ND. What about Mangino? Was that a hire that made sense? He had no HC experience as I recall. Obviously it worked out fabulously, but sometimes hires make perfect sense and they don’t work out and other times they make no sense and work out.
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@wissox Sorry @Texas-Hawk-10 post was thru when I did mine not to look like I was harping or beating a dead horse. Yes MM was a coordinator but a dam good one, that 1998 KSU team(IMO the best KSU football team ever) that choked in the B12 title game against A&M was with him as an OC, he also had a great eye for talent and convinced Floridian Micheal Bishop to come to Manhattan. He was also the OC on Bob Stoops 2000 NC team. We need a proven head coach in this situation IMO, we can’t take a big risk such as a Beaty. A OC could work forsure but MM had way better credentials than Beaty by light years. Beatys claim to fame was as a WR coach at A&M, which turned out to be a one hit wonder under Sumlin. MM made sense because he had been a part of 2 major rebuilding projects, one in Kansas even and KU wasn’t near as bad as they currently are. Its very sad that Terry Allen would be an improvement but it certainly appears that way right now (he averaged over 4 wins per year).
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So kind of an interesting perspective I a article of Phog. net
The article talks about a name as a possible head coach or possibly even becoming a Offensive Cordinator for KU
The guy is former UCLA Jedd Fisch. The article stated that Jedd Fisch might have been in close proximity to wherever KU’S private jet took off to on Tuesday. On Tuesday Detroit-News . com Angelique Chingelis who covers Michigan reported that former Michigan pass game Jeff Fisch is in consideration for the Head Coaching position at KU - -OR as possible staff as Offensive Cordinator.
Jeff is currently offensive asst of the Los Angles Rams. The reasoning for thinking might have talked - -as we all know now The Rams were recently practicing in Colorado springs. - - KU was in Colorado too.
Fisch , was the offensive Offensive Cord in 2017 for UCLA - - -that Season was one of prominence for UCLA - -they were averaging like 44 points a game through the 1 - -eight games I think it said Rosen took a step for that season with Fisch running the offense. – hmmm kind of interesting. - - OR they also said that they may have been talking with Troy Calhoun too possible - -hell might of been talking to both. who knows? - -One thing Matt Tait talked about too on another article said he thinks the longer this search goes on - - the less he thinks Les Miles comes to KU - -I agree. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I would be less than thrilled with that hire I think.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I would be less than thrilled with that hire I think.
What if he is the OC?
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@BShark Yea that I could handle.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I would be STUNNED if it wasn’t Miles.
Reminder with the LSU buyout settlement.
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Rumors of an announcement could be coming tomorrow in regards to Les Miles being the next football coach of KU.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 He just agreed to a buyout. Looks like it’s done.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Rumors of an announcement could be coming tomorrow in regards to Les Miles being the next football coach of KU.
Man I hope so , should be able to get out and try to salvage a few recruits yet for this year coming up hopefully. - - We know it’s going to be hard - -but maybe he can hit the road. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I was about to post the same thing. He took a big cut which I imagine will translate to a big signing bonus.
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BShark said:
@mayjay That’s some quality right there.
I’m about to try Dalwhinnie 15 year.
How about a Laphroig - no one would call it smooth and some might say it was a good representation of our football program.
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Bwag said:
BShark said:
@mayjay That’s some quality right there.
I’m about to try Dalwhinnie 15 year.
How about a Laphroig - no one would call it smooth and some might say it was a good representation of our football program.
A good distillery. Lately I’ve been having Oban. Their 18 year is something else, incredible.
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@JayHawkFanToo Could be. But if KU signs him to a long term guaranteed deal, that long term deal just replaces what he had coming anyway with LSU (plus more), and he gets to coach. But he also gains $1.5 million.
By the terms of the buyout, it was pretty obvious that LSU had some leverage. They knew he wanted to coach and saved $4 million or so. Miles loses nothing even without an up front payment and gets $1.5 million.
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It looks like KU may, for once, be playing this exactly right. They look like they are hiring a HC (and maybe coordinators) that are not currently tied to CFB programs. This means that group may be able to salvage this recruiting class if the hiring happens by Monday. That would be a distraction for the current staff, but honestly, this season is lost anyway, so it makes sense to salvage what you can for the future.
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@BShark Ah, another Scotch digression! We have a cruise scheduled for April. We are signing up for the $25 Macallan Scotch tasting, which acc to reviews includes among the 3 sampled a 30 year I never would, or could, buy.
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@mayjay yeah Macallan is overpriced now but for a tasting like that it’s worth trying.
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The Mike Vernon twitter rampage about Les Miles is just amazing right now.
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Kcmatt7 said:
The Mike Vernon twitter rampage about Les Miles is just amazing right now. Is the rampage tweeting in a good way or bad way as far as Kansas is concerned about Miles?
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Kcmatt7 said:
The Mike Vernon twitter rampage about Les Miles is just amazing right now.
It’s so great having good ku media presence. Gotta try to balance out the mutards and such.
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Halftime of the Basketball Game would be one hell of a way to introduce Miles…
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I still think KU will wait until the last game is played to introduce the new HC and spare Beaty the embarrassment. If KU wanted to announce as soon as one was signed it would not have allowed Beaty to finish the season and would have appointed an interim coach.
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Not quite…Miles would have gotten an additional $4M for doing nothing, now he has to work to make up that loss.
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@JayHawkFanToo Definitely a reasonable assumption
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@JayHawkFanToo The rumor is that Miles will be hired this weekend along with possibly an offensive and/or defensive coordinators so they can get started on recruiting since there’s a ton of work to do on that front for the new coach to savage something from this class. The rumor is the meeting with Fisch was for a coordinator position under Miles.
None of that is confirmed, but that’s the rumors going around.
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If Miles is hired I would think they would give Beaty the option to leave immediately and have one of the assistants finish the season. It would be very awckward for Beaty to coach with the new coach watching over his shoulders.
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@JayHawkFanToo but, Beaty wants to finish, I think.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@JayHawkFanToo but, Beaty wants to finish, I think.
Yes, but I would think this is the case if a new coach has not been hired. Once a new HC is announced/hired it becomes very uncomfortable for Beaty.
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Beaty is coaching for a coordinators job somewhere at this point. He’s not going to be a head coach, but if he shows something in the next couple of weeks, he could find himself a decent landing spot.
As @Texas-Hawk-10 said, the new staff has some significant recruiting work to do. KU is the only school in the country with fewer than 8 commitments for next season. That’s a huge hole to fill. Every second that passes is a wasted opportunity for next season. Whoever gets this job needs to be on the recruiting trail immediately, if not sooner.
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Considering the body of work available for Beaty, the last two games are not going to make any difference at all.
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@JayHawkFanToo Miles wouldn’t be in Lawrence though if he’s hired before the season is over. He would be out recruiting instead of in the office. Most players wouldn’t be having much contact with Miles until spring ball anyway because of the rules.
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Twitter is saying the deal is nearly done for Miles.
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justanotherfan said:
Twitter is saying the deal is nearly done for Miles.
It’s been done in principle for awhile now. Only holdups have been LSU’s buyout and the assistant coaching pool.
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I’m still shocked. Long was clearly a home run hire. This Girod dude might be ok himself.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’m still shocked. Long was clearly a home run hire. This Girod dude might be ok himself.
Amazingly huge improvements over the last person at their position for each of them. BGL can burn in hell if that existed.
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Glad to see what sure looks like anyways - with Miles hire. - I’m STILL gonna approach , this at least for awhile with caution.
I’m just tired of getting my hopes up - - , then Weiss, takes a crap on this thing – BOTH his QB’S he got in here - -did the same
I am going to try and temper my expectations - - -hoping people not expecting for him to come in and take us to un-realistic things this 1st year. - -Now if he could come in we win our non con games - get 2-3 wins in the big 12 his 1st year that would be awesome-doubt that will happen.
On another note wondering now - -with Les coming aboard and possibly Tony stayin on board - -wonder if Pooka STAYS in stead of transferring like the rumor has been. – then also would be kind of nice if they could get Fisch as the OC - -maybe that’s why long might of been talking to him in Colorado - -would be a nice stat. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I’m still shocked. Long was clearly a home run hire. This Girod dude might be ok himself.
Amazingly huge improvements over the last person at their position for each of them. BGL can burn in hell if that existed.
Academically Bernie was really good, but most don’t really care about how KU does as a university as long as they win.
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@JayHawkFanToo No, you miss the point. You said he took a big cut and thus he would get a big signing bonus. I said that is not needed.
Of course he has to work. And he obviously wants to work. So he gets what he wants.
But that isn’t the point. He is in a better position. He will get a guaranteed deal that far exceeds what he was guaranteed before. So the contract replaces what he gave up and more. Plus he got $1.5 million essentially for free.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I’m still shocked. Long was clearly a home run hire. This Girod dude might be ok himself.
Amazingly huge improvements over the last person at their position for each of them. BGL can burn in hell if that existed.
Academically Bernie was really good, but most don’t really care about how KU does as a university as long as they win.
Fair point. It felt like she almost had a disdain for athletics.
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@BShark BGL came from UNC while all the academic fraud stuff was going on. Wouldn’t really blame her for having a disdain for KU athletics considering most of the fraud at UNC involved the basketball program and their coach was here before UNC.
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Hard to tell considering we don’t even know what his contract with KU is or will be or if there will even be one.
He was due $5.5M and he had to do absolutely nothing to get it and settled for $1.5, so he gave up $4M so he can go to work with a chance to make up the $4M and hopefully more. I will guess that his signing bonus will compensate for the $4M he gave up.
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@JayHawkFanToo His salary here will likely be in the $3-4 million per year range, possibly more. He’ll make that money back in 2 seasons tops and he will be here at least that long.
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Channel 5 in KC saying the contract with Miles is a done deal quoting Sports Illustrated. It also indicated that Miles would only work with an AD he trusted and ours just earned his salary in spades. Sound like it is finally happening…
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@JayHawkFanToo His salary here will likely be in the $3-4 million per year range, possibly more. He’ll make that money back in 2 seasons tops and he will be here at least that long.
Accurate. I think the base will be 3.5 with some incentives that could bump it over 4.
Yep, it’s all but wrapped. I expect them to finish the deal tomorrow or Sunday with an intro Monday.
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@JayHawkFanToo Here it is:
https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/11/16/les-miles-kansas-hiring-head-coach-contract
Includes an interesting review of Miles coaching–and acting!–careers
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@JayHawkFanToo I’m sorry, I just don’t think you’re tracking. If he wanted to, he could sit on his butt and get $6.5 million. He didn’t want to sit on his butt.
So, he gets $1.5 million and a contract of likely 5 years, $3.5 million per year. Or $17.5. million guaranteed. His LSU deal would have paid him another $5 million by 2023. Or a total of $6.5 by 2023.
He would be owed by KU that full $17.5 million by close of 2023 under this scenario. So he gets the $5 million he left at LSU plus an additional $12.5, plus the $1.5 million for closing the LSU deal.
This is not “hard to tell.” This concept happens all the time with coaches. The numbers just change with each deal.
