The Next Coach
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I don’t want DD but otherwise agree.
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@BShark Doeren would be a great hire if KU could get him this time, but Zenger may have burnt that bridge beyond repair. He’s done a nice rebuild at NC State.
Personally, I think I would like Doeren to be the coach after Miles. Let Miles come here for however long and build the foundation and make KU an attractive place and then bring Doeren in after Miles to continue trying to elevate the program.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark Doeren would be a great hire if KU could get him this time, but Zenger may have burnt that bridge beyond repair. He’s done a nice rebuild at NC State.
Personally, I think I would like Doeren to be the coach after Miles. Let Miles come here for however long and build the foundation and make KU an attractive place and then bring Doeren in after Miles to continue trying to elevate the program.
This is a really solid idea but like you said DD may be done with KU due to Zenger.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Todd Graham, former coach at Arizona State. Beaty was one of his assistant coaches at Rice. Here is a link with more information. At this time Long needs to have some options otherwise Miles has all the leverage; could be a decent option.
Todd Graham is not a decent option. Graham may have won games, but two of his head coaching jobs only lasted for a year before he bolted, including his “dream job” at Pitt. He would treat KU as a stepping stone and nothing else. KU can do better than Graham.
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I can’t figure out why it’s taking so long to name the next coach? Why fire a coach still in season if you don’t have another coach on the line. Rumors floating the reason Miles hasn’t been named yet is because of his last contract. I guess he gets a big pay day at the end of the month. Yet man KU needs to get on that recruiting trail.
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I saw where Les gets his buyout payments from LSU on the 30th of every month. Could he be wanting to milk one more payment out of them before signing with KU?
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@DoubleDD The season isn’t over yet, don’t expect to hear anything officially until after the Texas game.
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If I were Les Miles, I’d wait to see what all comes open first anyways. That Purdue gig could be nice now that Brohm did all of the hard work. I wouldn’t rule out a return to OSU. Gundy’s days may be numbered. The OU job could be open (not that he’d get it), etc.
There will be a lot of better jobs open up. It will take a financial commitment and a long contract to get Miles here. It’s only smart for him to see what else could be out there for him.
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KU also need some leverage. If Miles knows he is the only option he can ask and get a lot more money; however. if KU is looking at more than one viable prospect then it has some leverage in the negotiations.
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I would be STUNNED if it wasn’t Miles.
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Just pondering. Miles is 65. Why sign up for such a dumpster fire … unless you have no other options? Which begs the question of whether you want a guy with no other options? But I can’t argue with the name and results. Would be a home run on paper. Amazing actually. I expect something like a double, but perhaps back picked over-running second.
If not Miles, I like Jeff Tedford as the next best, and then the two service academy coaches (Army/Air Force). But I will trust Jeff Long and not second guess for a while.
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Am listening to talk about the foot ball program right now from local sports. - - Jeff Long is getting the sports media pretty pissed. – I guess for the SECOND time about the KU staff taking and leaving and headed out for Louisiana - -which every thing indicates about Les Miles.
Well today Jesse Newell and some others heard that the flight schedule supposed had two planes leaving and it was scheduled for Louisiana.
So media headed to the KU airport come to find out - -that one of the Airplanes doesn’t even exhist not registered at all. - The one that is registered - -was actually scheduled to head West towards Colorado. - -Really can’t figure why these reports are coming out.
Newell said he has heard from or talk about some of the Big Donars - all talking about and support Les Miles , said they haven’t heard anything that’s it’s not going to be Les Miles.
Can’t figure out WHY Long is doing this - -Newell said he may think it’s funny , to others it might be funny but upsetting to media - - - sounds kind of weird.
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“Dumpster Fire” ?
Really?
We have a loooooong ways to go (UPWARDS) if we desire to be at dumpster fire level.
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I suspect Miles will be in the candidate list for every opening so, while KU might be his preferred choice based on his relationship with Long, by no means will be his only choice.
I believe it is more important for KU to have more than one option otherwise it has no leverage in the negotiations.
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@jayballer73 - I suspect Long wants to keep this close to the vest, avoiding (or maybe encouraging?) speculation. He’s a pro and is having a good time. Personally, it’s better than total silence. Over on The Phog , there’s 150+ pages in a single topic on a new football coach. The vast majority of it came in about 5 hours yesterday. It’s hilarious and every poster was having a great time. One guy (appparently illegally) went onto airport grounds to take pictures of people emerging from the aircraft. (I don’t doubt alcohol was involved!
). I’m going to roll with it and enjoy the ride. We’ll know soon enough!
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Over on the LJW site , they had kind of like the NCAA basketball tournament listing the some possibly named people and brackets , they had people vote for like each round , It came down to the Championship round and it was between Les Miles and Dave Doreen , and the winner from the votes was Dave Doreen - – -Interesting. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Sold!!
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Charlie Weiss was successful (more or less) at ND and was a flop here. Not sold on the idea that someone can come here based on success elsewhere. Remember Les got run out of town 2 years ago. I remember it well. I lived there, heard all my friends rip their NC winning coach up and down. I said you won’t really appreciate what you had until he’s gone, then it’s too late. He did have some flaws. But I always liked him and would love to see him at KU.
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@wissox Charlie Weis flopped hard at Notre Dame once it was mostly his recruits. Weis was also looking to use KU as a springboard and pretty much said so from day 1.
Les Miles isn’t looking to move up to a bigger name program again. He’s someone that can likely give KU 8-10 years because bigger programs won’t be poaching him. He can be like what Frank Solich has been at Ohio. After that, Miles should have KU in a good enough place that the person after Miles can be a big name up and comer and be given a reasonable shot at instant success.
The biggest knocks on Miles is his offense which is a pro style system and his clock management which was extremely frustrating to watch over the years.
Miles does utilize a fullback and tight end which isn’t something you see in the Big 12 much. He also utilized the Pistol formation a lot towards the end. His biggest struggle is going to be finding a pro style QB to run his system because his offense was it’s most successful with JaMarcus Russell and Matt Flynn running the show. He’s always struggled to utilize mobile QB’s to their fullest so that would be a concern in the immediate.
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@wissox I’m not sure I’d call Weis’s tenure at ND successful. He won 19 games his first two seasons with some highly talented recruits that Willingham had brought in. ND went 7-5 the year Willingham was fired before losing the bowl game and looked like they were a year away before Weis was hired. I only know a few ND guys but they weren’t happy that Willingham wasn’t given more time with talent he brung in. Once those guys cleared out Weis went 16-21 in his final 3 seasons. He inherited a solid group and a good foundation, better than most head coaches go into IMO and ran into the ground. Why we hired a guy that couldn’t win with resources that ND has, is still mind boggling at best. Now one could say Miles was fired from LSU and he was. But he was fired for not beating Alabama every year, the man averaged over 10 wins a year in the toughest conference in the land. I personally just want a hire that has common sense behind it, Gill had 1 winning season at buffalo, Weis was a joke after a few seasons at ND and Beaty had no experience as a HC, only one as an OC that was a complete disaster albeit. That’s why I’m hoping we can do something to lure in one of the trio of Littrell, Miles and Doren.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@jayballer73 Sold!!
Lo – sorry bud I’m not even sure who that is. – Is that the guy from North Carolina State ? – Arizona State ? - -sorry I remember seeing his name , just can’t remember where he is from. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’ve posted before about Les , So no one think the thought of signing Les to like a five year Contract and renewable if he wants to go longer. - -Yet at least five years – -let Les retain Tony Hull , let Tony be an understudy for those 5 years, --teach him , then if Les retires after the 5 years after studying under Les for those 5 years promote Tony as the Head Coach. - What Tony has been in Division 1 foot ball for 2 years with Coaching duties- - -give the 5 under Les so there would be 7 years and let him take over - - -be able to maintain good recruiting ties to the boot? – -I think that could work.-- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@kjayhawks I don’t follow college football closely enough to comment obviously. I thought Weiss had done fairly well at ND. What about Mangino? Was that a hire that made sense? He had no HC experience as I recall. Obviously it worked out fabulously, but sometimes hires make perfect sense and they don’t work out and other times they make no sense and work out.
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@wissox Sorry @Texas-Hawk-10 post was thru when I did mine not to look like I was harping or beating a dead horse. Yes MM was a coordinator but a dam good one, that 1998 KSU team(IMO the best KSU football team ever) that choked in the B12 title game against A&M was with him as an OC, he also had a great eye for talent and convinced Floridian Micheal Bishop to come to Manhattan. He was also the OC on Bob Stoops 2000 NC team. We need a proven head coach in this situation IMO, we can’t take a big risk such as a Beaty. A OC could work forsure but MM had way better credentials than Beaty by light years. Beatys claim to fame was as a WR coach at A&M, which turned out to be a one hit wonder under Sumlin. MM made sense because he had been a part of 2 major rebuilding projects, one in Kansas even and KU wasn’t near as bad as they currently are. Its very sad that Terry Allen would be an improvement but it certainly appears that way right now (he averaged over 4 wins per year).
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So kind of an interesting perspective I a article of Phog. net
The article talks about a name as a possible head coach or possibly even becoming a Offensive Cordinator for KU
The guy is former UCLA Jedd Fisch. The article stated that Jedd Fisch might have been in close proximity to wherever KU’S private jet took off to on Tuesday. On Tuesday Detroit-News . com Angelique Chingelis who covers Michigan reported that former Michigan pass game Jeff Fisch is in consideration for the Head Coaching position at KU - -OR as possible staff as Offensive Cordinator.
Jeff is currently offensive asst of the Los Angles Rams. The reasoning for thinking might have talked - -as we all know now The Rams were recently practicing in Colorado springs. - - KU was in Colorado too.
Fisch , was the offensive Offensive Cord in 2017 for UCLA - - -that Season was one of prominence for UCLA - -they were averaging like 44 points a game through the 1 - -eight games I think it said Rosen took a step for that season with Fisch running the offense. – hmmm kind of interesting. - - OR they also said that they may have been talking with Troy Calhoun too possible - -hell might of been talking to both. who knows? - -One thing Matt Tait talked about too on another article said he thinks the longer this search goes on - - the less he thinks Les Miles comes to KU - -I agree. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I would be less than thrilled with that hire I think.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I would be less than thrilled with that hire I think.
What if he is the OC?
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@BShark Yea that I could handle.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I would be STUNNED if it wasn’t Miles.
Reminder with the LSU buyout settlement.
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Rumors of an announcement could be coming tomorrow in regards to Les Miles being the next football coach of KU.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 He just agreed to a buyout. Looks like it’s done.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Rumors of an announcement could be coming tomorrow in regards to Les Miles being the next football coach of KU.
Man I hope so , should be able to get out and try to salvage a few recruits yet for this year coming up hopefully. - - We know it’s going to be hard - -but maybe he can hit the road. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I was about to post the same thing. He took a big cut which I imagine will translate to a big signing bonus.
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BShark said:
@mayjay That’s some quality right there.
I’m about to try Dalwhinnie 15 year.
How about a Laphroig - no one would call it smooth and some might say it was a good representation of our football program.
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Bwag said:
BShark said:
@mayjay That’s some quality right there.
I’m about to try Dalwhinnie 15 year.
How about a Laphroig - no one would call it smooth and some might say it was a good representation of our football program.
A good distillery. Lately I’ve been having Oban. Their 18 year is something else, incredible.
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@JayHawkFanToo Could be. But if KU signs him to a long term guaranteed deal, that long term deal just replaces what he had coming anyway with LSU (plus more), and he gets to coach. But he also gains $1.5 million.
By the terms of the buyout, it was pretty obvious that LSU had some leverage. They knew he wanted to coach and saved $4 million or so. Miles loses nothing even without an up front payment and gets $1.5 million.
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It looks like KU may, for once, be playing this exactly right. They look like they are hiring a HC (and maybe coordinators) that are not currently tied to CFB programs. This means that group may be able to salvage this recruiting class if the hiring happens by Monday. That would be a distraction for the current staff, but honestly, this season is lost anyway, so it makes sense to salvage what you can for the future.
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@BShark Ah, another Scotch digression! We have a cruise scheduled for April. We are signing up for the $25 Macallan Scotch tasting, which acc to reviews includes among the 3 sampled a 30 year I never would, or could, buy.
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@mayjay yeah Macallan is overpriced now but for a tasting like that it’s worth trying.
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The Mike Vernon twitter rampage about Les Miles is just amazing right now.
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Kcmatt7 said:
The Mike Vernon twitter rampage about Les Miles is just amazing right now. Is the rampage tweeting in a good way or bad way as far as Kansas is concerned about Miles?
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Kcmatt7 said:
The Mike Vernon twitter rampage about Les Miles is just amazing right now.
It’s so great having good ku media presence. Gotta try to balance out the mutards and such.
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Halftime of the Basketball Game would be one hell of a way to introduce Miles…
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I still think KU will wait until the last game is played to introduce the new HC and spare Beaty the embarrassment. If KU wanted to announce as soon as one was signed it would not have allowed Beaty to finish the season and would have appointed an interim coach.
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Not quite…Miles would have gotten an additional $4M for doing nothing, now he has to work to make up that loss.
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@JayHawkFanToo Definitely a reasonable assumption
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@JayHawkFanToo The rumor is that Miles will be hired this weekend along with possibly an offensive and/or defensive coordinators so they can get started on recruiting since there’s a ton of work to do on that front for the new coach to savage something from this class. The rumor is the meeting with Fisch was for a coordinator position under Miles.
None of that is confirmed, but that’s the rumors going around.
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If Miles is hired I would think they would give Beaty the option to leave immediately and have one of the assistants finish the season. It would be very awckward for Beaty to coach with the new coach watching over his shoulders.
