Langford
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@HighEliteMajor I would say his ambition to be developed by HCBS into a high caliber pro-worthy guard absolutely explains what he hopes to accomplish at KU.
But, wah wah, he isn’t waving pom poms and genuflecting to KU tradition in his several sentences that you have decided define him as a possible KU player.
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Don’t worry. Soon players who are ready will go to the Gleague and players who have to develop before declaring will flock to the few programs who have a history of doing so. All of this one and done none sense will be over and KU will field teams full of upperclassmen. HURRAY.
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@mayjay You do understand I agree he’s telling the truth, right? Maybe you don’t. He wants to accomplish getting to the “league.” I could not care less about the league. Hope you get your autograph.
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@HighEliteMajor Basketball in college has changed, as have all sports, with the players’ realization that they can leverage their ability into highly paid careers not dependent on their schools. It is, I think, both short-sighted and sad to not care about the players except for what they can do to make fans feel good. They are literally playing for their futures. I think it is part of what I appreciate about them to see how their ambitions work out in their lives.
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@dylans Wright will be going to Duke as soon as Coach K retires. At least, Duke will go after Wright. Nightmare.
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@mayjay it’s funny because most of the people who argue to not pay the players are also the most vocal about OADs. Instead of offering something that might make the best players stay and have a vested interest in the university, they want them to play 4 years for pennies when they could be playing for dollars.
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@LSH Wright is no Spring chicken and he’s fully capable of winning championships where he is. Why would Wright go to Duke?
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Scheyer could very well be the next Duke coach.
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Ah I’ve got fond memories of heckling Scheyer at two separate Duke games, one against UVA and another vs Virginia Tech. Of the roster that year, Scheyer was the least dislikeable; i’m ok with him at Duke. Singler, Nolan, Zoubek and Plumlee all pissed me off. Although, Scheyer was the proud owner of this travesty:
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Money. He would get paid considerably more at Duke than at Nova.
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@mayjay I care more about KU BB than an individual player. Do you even read what is typed? I DON"T CARE “ABOUT THE LEAGUE.” That’s what was typed. So, dishonestly change that into something that was not said, and making it into not caring about a player. You’re a pro at that.
@Kcmatt7 Directed to payment of players, I do expect players to come to KU for no money (or whatever their stipend) and play for Kansas. That’s actually the rules. Further, of course, they received significant financial value which has been spelled out many times. And, of course, the players DON’T HAVE TO COME. It’s freedom of choice. They can choose their path. If they want to go pro, go pro. The NCAA and KU aren’t stopping them.
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BShark said:
Yeah, he’s majoring in basketball for a year. Self and co know the score here. The alternative is less talent. The sweet spot is recruiting NBA level players and having them stay 3 years like Wright and Roy.
It is no failure for coaches to not be prescient enough to figure out who is good enough to become an NBA talent but not good enough in his early college years to be mid-1st round draft worthy (the no-brainer cutoff, I think, for anyone not from a financially independent family).
Economists provide lots of stats from which they make lots of projections, but there was one concept I retained from my way too many Econ classes: an opportunity cost is the same as paying for something. When a guaranteed 1st rounder stays in school an additional year, he is literally paying millions of dollars to attend (minus the value of the scholarship). When a player (realistically) sees himself as a OAD, he is anticipating being at that level and, like Langford, often discusses how hard he wants to work for that goal. Scouts and NBA teams will reward players who maximize their talent in that year by drafting higher. Such things can only help their school (provided the coach is demanding, not enabling, as LK did with Trae).
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I was being sarcastic. There is something weird going on at Nova and UNC. Hard to believe they just magically find the pro level players that want to hang around college.
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@HighEliteMajor Just don’t be surprised whenever they go pro then. G League salaries are getting to the point where they offer more value than KU, and certainly way more real value.
That is of course if you believe KU isn’t paying players under the table…
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@HighEliteMajor “@mayjay I care more about KU BB than an individual player. Do you even read what is typed? I DON"T CARE “ABOUT THE LEAGUE.” That’s what was typed. So, dishonestly change that into something that was not said, and making it into not caring about a player. You’re a pro at that.”
I think it is well-known here that you are the pro at ignoring or diverting arguments that you cannot respond to, and repeatedly making ad hominem attacks on people who dare to defend their positions in the face of your attacks.
I did not ignore your continued braying that you don’t care about the NBA. But this argument is about what these kids and the staff care about, not about your unrealistic desire for the sport to submit to your demands. The irrefutable fact is that the kids care about the league because that is their anticipated profession. The coaches care about how to help kids get to the league because that is how they prove to be successful in recruiting at the highest levels.
The kids care about their futures beyond the parameters of KU basketball. You say I dishonestly distorted your statement about caring more about KU bb than about individual kids–I think it is a fair inference to draw that not giving a hoot about their professional goals and financial security beyond the parameters of KU is not really caring about the kids as they really are rather than what they can do to keep you chest-thumping as a KU fan.
And you have been doing that for years. I recall specifically a time when you denigrated a discussion where several of us were praising a number of kids who won academic awards. And, finally, you proved it with all the attacks on Zach Peters you made when he left KU due to his concussion issues (accusing him and Self of dishonesty in his departure and later enrollment at Arizona). I gave you a number of chances to retract those accusations in subsequent years when I posted several articles discussing his retiring from college bb due to his concussions with UA continuing to honor his scholarship on an NCAA medical waiver. Nary a peep. So, yeah, I pretty much think you don’t care about them beyond how they help you feel as a fan.
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BShark said:
I was being sarcastic. There is something weird going on at Nova and UNC. Hard to believe they just magically find the pro level players that want to hang around college.
Jaybate conspiracy?>
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@mayjay Well saying this with tongue in cheek here so please don’t take this in the wrong fashion at all just me trying to keep light hearted - -just wanting to say that I’m sure glad to see that there are OTHERS that get into some what of a some what heated discussion - I was really becoming paranoid that I was the only rebel here lol. - good to see that there are others that have minor spats/squabbles - my statement here is in all in good fun so don’t take any of this the wrong way - just me being a but like normal lol.
I will say one thing and I’m not all up on all of the different things and such but all I know is - - - what is the dream of every single wide eyed kid that comes to College and participates in the game? - -It’s to help improve and develop his skill with the help of the staff, every kids lifetime goal is to Reach the NBA - that’s their dream - their goal - and like you said they look at it as a potential profession - they don’t really come here to appease us, that’s not their responsibility -I mean sure they all want to be a favorite of the fan but the bottom line - their main objective goal is the NBA - not the fan - I don’t blame them - enjoy them while their here - wish they did get more - some or more financial assistance while in school - I understand they have a full paid ride but their is other financial responsibilities while in school - I dunno you all know more then me but anyways - You stay to your guns your logic on this - Again just glad I’m not the only one that gets the pot boiling here at times - -love your pots/threads for sure.- - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@majay
- To your paragraphs 3 and 4. I get it. Makes sense. This is about opinion though. To value judgments. To perspectives. Where it should have been in the first place, until your false narrative. Just discuss.
- I know you try to take it somewhere it shouldn’t go – the stuff about trying to take a game where I want it to go. But I’ll bypass that. I have no control, just opinion.
- I certainly respect the opinion that folks might think “caring” is largely (or at least in part) defined by whether they get to the league. That we care if we support that endeavor.
- My value judgment, my opinion, is that I don’t care about the league. That’s my view. Do I hope our players succeed after college? Sure. But I view the “league” as fool’s gold for most every player here. Further, I think it cheapens the KU basketball. It is a bit of a poison that deteriorates the fabric of college basketball.
- Most of us have the perspective of years. To suggest to a youngster to slow down, enjoy, the world will be there for you. The lure of millions is enticing. But it is also risky. Many try, and a large majority fail.
- But I also will say “caring” about a player is not solely wrapped up in “the league.” Caring in my small mind, is wanting a player to embrace this university, to come to Kansas for KU BB, to become a part of our community, to make life long friends and connections, to grow and mature under the best coach in CBB, to take time to develop, to enjoy his college experience, to understand that it’s not just your first paycheck, but how long you get paychecks, to side on the side of patience, and to not come to Kansas looking forward to leaving, but rather, with an open mind.
- In my opinion, my approach is more sensible in recruiting a player.
- That said, all I’ve read on Romeo is that he’s a quality guy. But I’m not super interested in anyone that from the outset just wants to be here 8 months.
- And @jayballer73, you’re right. They don’t come to KU for us. Sure, makes sense. But I’m much more “KU” than any OAD would be. I’m an alum, a professional degree, same with my wife. Kids that have gone through KU with degrees. Money paid. Money contributed. A lifetime of loyalty, much like many posters here. So, a part of me says I have a bit of a right to “expect” something from the folks that my tax dollars and contributions support, and I can be a bit judgmental there if I want to be. One thing I have always done is embrace the guys when they are on the court.
So, for those that prefer peaches and cream, just ignore my response to @mayjay below. 10. My statement: “He wants to accomplish getting to the ‘league.’ I could not care less about the league.” 11. Your response to me that I took issue with: “It is, I think, both short-sighted and sad to not care about the players except for what they can do to make fans feel good.” 12. My reply to your response: “I DON"T CARE “ABOUT THE LEAGUE.” That’s what was typed. So, dishonestly change that into something that was not said, and making it into not caring about a player. 13. Seems easy, doesn’t it? Your reaction is to try to create, once again, a false narrative. I never said I don’t care about the players. Not said, not even inferred. I don’t care about the league. Because I don’t care about the “league”, it is “sad to not care about the players except for what they can do to make fans feel good?” That is dishonest, whether you like it or not. 14. Not sure the purpose of paragraph 2, other than more diversion. When called out for obvious dishonesty, try to confuse the issue. But the judge ain’t stupid. 15. You seem to think when I don’t respond it’s some vast conspiracy. You’ve brought this up before. I can’t help you. 16. You refer to the Zach Peters deal. You just think you know. You miss the point – the point is why he left Kansas, not why he retired from CBB. Your response confuses the two. You say that I accused Self/Peters of hiding the real reason for his departure, and then you refer to posts you made of articles regarding why he retired from CBB. 17. If you would like to buy what you hear in print and assume that’s all there is regarding his departure at Kansas, that’s your choice. No one asked Self the direct question. No one asked Peters. They just let them talk. Which is fine, but that doesn’t mean it’s the entire truth. This is one of the few items I can tell you that I have a specific, reliable source of information. Believe the info or not, I don’t care. But logic supports my information, as well. You seem to think that this has something to do with why he stopped playing basketball altogether. The issue is why he chose to leave Kansas. That’s all I have ever offered on the topic. And he did not leave here just because he wanted to get healthy.
18. It is also entertaining that you use the inflammatory term “denigrating” when referring to kids winning academic awards, and how I may have referred to it. Not sure why this is relevant. All related to a discussion where you say “where several of us” were praising them (assuming you and others were giving the praise). Actually, it’s because I didn’t agree that it mattered. Praise all you want. It just isn’t something that matters a lot to me – a 3.10 vs. a 2.6 GPA. 19. I appreciate the term “braying.” Nice. It goes along with ranting, and other such terms you use to try to devalue the opinion offered, whether me, or someone else. At least the passive-aggressive stuff is pretty transparent.
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@HighEliteMajor As usual, you proved my point about your attitudes. Thank you for that. I am done. Parse it however you wish.
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I find the timing of this trash interesting. Why did they wait this close to Langford’s announcement? Nice timing of someone trying to influence recruitment. I find it ironic. Adidas is suppose to influence recruits toward KU. But this article actually discourages him from KU. Haha…funny…I hope Langford and his dad sees through this shat.
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I love it when you all fight about dumb stuff. All that matters is next year period. Does Langford make KU better next year? Yes! Does he move forward and promote KU in the future? Probably? Who gives a rip about what makes you all happy as alumni or fans? Selfs job is to field the best team possible. He has one opening to fill that puts KU in title contention. Who do you hire? The person that gives you the best shot at next years goal. Not 4 years from now goal.
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@mayjay You flat make stuff up again and you’ll be pulling that point out of your backside a second time.
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@HighEliteMajor Threats on this board? Again, proving my point.
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@Statmachine Oh ya - -well your just a little stir stick lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@mayjay Whoaaaaaaa? - -was that a threat I read? - -uh oh - -time to lock the doors lol. - that was a little to much I think in all seriousness right? Damm man, maybe you just need to let this thing with him go man - move to next thread ya know? - keep posting your ok - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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You all liked Tarik and that was a 1 year deal. I didnt hear any of you bashing him or Self when Tarik came on for one year. Infact I have heard most everyone speak highly of Tarik. How does that work exactly? Grad transfer or OAD? God forbid a young man turn down his future and millions so that you can feel good about KU basketball?
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@Statmachine I don’t think “you all” is fair. Plenty here defend the choice of these kids to start getting paid.
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You all know who you all are lol
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@Statmachine You don’t see me crying about Romeo or any other OAD’S. - -They are doing what they feel is best for them , it’s THEIR life - it’s their decision whether to play one or more then one. - -I enjoy them or while their here - would I like to see them stay longer? - -hell ya. - Am I gonna add a new vocabulary about them creating new words/phrases about them for leaving? - -Hell no. - -Again with OAD’S we know that’s what they are when they come. - Why would anybody want to berate them curse them degrade them because of that when at the end of that year they did exactly what we knew they was going to do.
There are some here that lack comprehension about these teenage kids. - Tell me what is any major talented kid playing sports whether it’s Basketball - - Baseball Football - what is their ultimate goal? - -They all have the same goals playing professionally right? - so you tell me even though they are OAD’S in Basketball should these kids stick around for four years to appease some selfish fans? - -or follow their dream to play what they love and get paid while doing it as soon as they can? - Some people feel like these kids OWE us something - these kids don’t owe us jack squat -so no and not say your accusing me - but just saying I’m NOT one of those that that cry. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABUY
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@Statmachine You don’t happen to be from the South do ya? - - Y’ALL? lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Now that I have been in the South for almost a dozen years, “y’all” comes out unbidden even from my Yankee lips numerous times. But I plead that living here is like immersion in a foreign language–you pick it up rapidly.
It is quite handy when servers are talking to a whole table at once. I literally heard, a while ago, “Hi, y’all! I’m Lisa, y’all’s waitress. Can I get y’all something to drink now, and come back for y’all’s order?” No awareness she said it. Believe it or not.
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mayjay said:
@jayballer73 Now that I have been in the South for almost a dozen years, “y’all” comes out unbidden even from my Yankee lips numerous times. But I plead that living here is like immersion in a foreign language–you pick it up rapidly.
It is quite handy when servers are talking to a whole table at once. I literally heard, a while ago, “Hi, y’all! I’m Lisa, y’all’s waitress. Can I get y’all something to drink now, and come back for y’all’s order?” No awareness she said it. Believe it or not.
Same here. I grew up in Kansas but I live in Texas. Just so y’all know…
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Everyone has a preference and has the right to that. Selfish or not its their preference. Fighting about whos right or wrong is silly and slamming someone while justifying your opinion is even more silly and childish. Some of y’all look foolish but hey, if that’s what butters your biscuit then get after it! I love getting on here to see what y’all are talking about. It keeps me in the loop, plugged in to KU basketball, and I appreciate each and every one of y’all’s contributions!
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Ain’t and Y’all make me cringe when coming out of young mouths.
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dylans said:
Ain’t and Y’all make me cringe when coming out of young mouths.
It did for me until I was here awhile. I finally decided language, and I, should adapt to the desires of a populace rather than wage a fruitless fight based on archaic 19th Century prep school rules that do not provide an adequate songle word for addressing a group of people (“you” is better for individuals) or, for that matter, a gender neutral third-person singular pronoun (“they” is almost routine now).
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@mayjay I really don’t have an issue determining if you is plural or single.
I certainly wouldn’t try to change a culture, just my own kids.
It’s like the old saying clothes make the man. Perception is important. It’s not everything as an enlightened person will look past initial impressions. However, many will not give you a second chance after that first impression. I don’t want my kids to have to cross any unnecessary hurdles, not being able to speak properly (doesn’t have to be every conversation i.e. kid to kid) or write correctly is a major hindrance.
I’m not one to think the southern accent makes one sound less intellegent, the dumb accent is trailerpark-ese.
Is North Carolina considered the south? I’ve never heard my cousins from there say y’all. My family in Arkansas sure does though.
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@dylans I live in Chapel Hill now, and it’s definitely the south.
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@mayjay lmao - - I’m not laughing at you here buddy - I’m laughing with you , I’m sure it’s a whole different ball game.
It’s just like many , many years ago when I was in boot camp our TI -that’s what the Air Force calls the instructors instead of DI"S - -anyways he was breaking the different regions of the country and how we talked. - Like the Eastern and their accent - - -The South and yours lol - -and then when he got to the Midwest - he said we all had this drawl -I thought whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? - then he promptly did his imitation of each area - so ya I feel at. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Is valley girl talk still a thing? That was/is painful.
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@Statmachine Hope Y’All -s doing okie-dok - down in that there Lone Star state. - -Never have understood that phrase - that mean you only have ONE measly LONE STAR lol. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@dylans NO you mean Young-ins mouths lmao - - Y’ALL need to get it right lmao
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Romeo will announce April 30th
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That’s kind of like right here in Kansas. - Down in Wichita the have the Arkansas river that runs through there. - Here in Kansas people in Wichita and surrounding areas - -call it kind of like the AR - - KANSAS - then they have the little AR-KANSAS - but man if you go to the state - -definetly ARKANSAS River - either way you pronounce it somebody gonna be hot lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 Do we really need to hear what his decision is? - Now before last night would of been more interesting- -but after these developments maybe not so much – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 its because Texas thinks it’s it’s own country. Thus the lone star (of 50) that matters. Oh and there is one star on the Texas state flag.
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@jayballer73 I had a middle school English teacher ridicule me for calling it the Ar-can-saw river instead of the Our-Kansas river. I told her she was stupid. (That didn’t go over too well, but the truth hurts sometimes)
Edit- I don’t really care that much about the pronunciation of the Arkansas river. That’s why I thought she was ridiculous. Jumping on a 13 year old over what amounts to your personal preference to mispronounce a word.
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@dylans AMMMMM, You bad bad bad. – lol
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BeddieKU23 said:
Romeo will announce April 30th
Interesting timing to put it out there. Hope the recent news didn’t effect anything.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Romeo will announce April 30th
Interesting timing to put it out there. Hope the recent news didn’t effect anything.
It didn’t. This has been the plan all along. I heard first week of May awhile ago but this is close enough. It’s a Monday, so basically the first week of May.
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@FarmerJayhawk Man, if Self pulls off Romeo in the middle of this shitstorm…
