Draft Declarations Thread
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I’m anxious to read what Jason King writes about whatever drama happened on this team about midway through the season as he has in past books. I bet a lot of it centered on Vick & Newman.
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@Blown He joins an esteemed group White, Greene, Bragg, Tharpe, Adams – missing any recent nudges out the door?
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@Kcmatt7 right, I agree we had been. So not surprised. Just think it is strange. Is his stock really that high?
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@HighEliteMajor I feel like those were Problem kids though, right? With behavioral issues. Did Vick have that? At least outwardly…?
EDIT: White wasn’t a problem child, just never got any PT so that one made more sense.
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@kjayhawks Didn’t forget about him. Just don’t think he will play basically at all next season. He is a project. Looks like he has cinder-blocks tied to his feet right now.
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@Blown Vick was at the center of the incident with Josh Jackson and Mackenzie Calvert last year. That’s by far his most high profile incident, but I’ve rumors of several other smaller incidents involving Vick as well.
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@Blown No his stock isn’t high. And he was absolutely forced out. Just wasn’t ever tough enough to be successful under Self.
To top things off though, Vick had that dorm incident. And was involved in the incident at the country club.
He also just doesn’t seem like a good fit for next year’s club. You don’t want his personality hanging around your new group if you think he is a potential cancer.
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@Kcmatt7 I was not aware of those things, and had forgotten he was involved in the Calvert incident. (Not sure how I forgot that). So he wasn’t pushed out after sophomore year because we were desperate for depth…but not so much going into next year. I get it.
LaLa sure painting the picture it was 100% Her and LV call!
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Blown said:
This is one of the strangest announcements I can recall. Maybe, ever. This has the signs of being pushed/prodded out all over it.
I caught some flack (don’t remember how much here vs other boards) for suggesting Vick was on the Tharpe/Greene I-420 out of town…
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Blown He joins an esteemed group White, Greene, Bragg, Tharpe, Adams – missing any recent nudges out the door?
White was a helicopter dad situation. He didn’t play a lot early, but he wasn’t forced out.
Selden was nudged a bit, worked out well for all parties there.
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Blown said:
Is his stock really that high?
No. He probably won’t be playing pro ball in North America.
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@BShark I’m sure you’ve commented on it somewhere, but I’m limited on time today…work…ugh, Does this mean you feel Langford will come? You seem to be in tune with this stuff.
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I think Bill is honest with the guys too. Vick would have to play better than he is even capable of in Bill’s system to raise his stock next season. Would have to play at a level he isn’t capable of for an entire season. So go now while you still have “potential.”
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Kcmatt7 said:
Signs pointing to Doke leaving:
- Lawson brothers didn’t come here to sit.
- Big Dave signed early. I don’t think he plays still, but no way the staff told him he would be the 6th big.
- Not a lot of minutes for a lot of bodies.
I’m interested in how the roster ends up shaking out for sure. I still think we are the best team in the country depth wise next season. Could legit go 10 deep on the bench even without Doke.
I really think Lightfoot should take a Redshirt. Doke leaving would still give us 4 bigs, with the ability to go 4 guards if we ever needed to.
Well said. A big key is that two bigs were signed early. Silvio at one point was top 5 in the class, and McCormack is a McDAA. We all speculated at the beginning of the early recruiting period that early big signings would be an indicator towards which way Udoka was leaning.
I don’t think players of that caliber are signing on to be possibly the 5th big and likely the 4th. No doubt Udoka wants to get his mom permanently out of Africa. His plan was always two years too, I can see him sticking too it.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@Blown No his stock isn’t high. And he was absolutely forced out. Just wasn’t ever tough enough to be successful under Self.
To top things off though, Vick had that dorm incident. And was involved in the incident at the country club.
He also just doesn’t seem like a good fit for next year’s club. You don’t want his personality hanging around your new group if you think he is a potential cancer.
Yeah look no further than the quotes from Self. Very clear force out imo.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I think Bill is honest with the guys too. Vick would have to play better than he is even capable of in Bill’s system to raise his stock next season. Would have to play at a level he isn’t capable of for an entire season. So go now while you still have “potential.”
Even if Vick came back there was a chance he would come off the bench. This just seems best for everyone involved.
To me it was abundantly clear that Vick and Newman were for sure gone when Agbaji signed. Agbaji is a nice player but you don’t take him w/o knowing there is room for Romeo.
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@Kcmatt7 I would be shocked if he doesnt play ahead of Mitch, like De Sousa did late in the season. He already looks bigger, stronger and more athletic.
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kjayhawks said:
@Kcmatt7 I would be shocked if he doesnt play ahead of Mitch, like De Sousa did late in the season. He already looks bigger, stronger and more athletic.
McCormack?
Mitch will be the last big on the roster imo.
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FWIW, Sam Vecenie told me to expect Doke to declare without an agent and go through the process.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW, Sam Vecenie told me to expect Doke to declare without an agent and go through the process.
I’m just wondering what process that’s going to be for him. Do you see him a combine invite… What interest, if any, is an NBA team going to show him. I’m all for him declaring and getting feedback. I just assume the feedback should be a swift process for him. And for the record I’ve always thought he was leaving regardless
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@kjayhawks to me, he looks heavy and slow and not ready. He was absolutely destroyed by Carey this year. He also doesn’t seem like a good guy to play next to De Sousa. Mitch can at least spread the floor.
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@Kcmatt7 Whether Mitch or Dave are the 4th or 5th big KU is in a pretty damn good spot.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BShark Man, that is telling … particularly since he’s not hiring an agent in the announcement.
So, Romeo waited to announce, and if he picks Vandy or Indiana, why did he wait?
I’m in Ohio and one theory on it is he isnt going to IU and didnt want to hear about it his whole Sr season from the fans.
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Interesting that Vick has said that he wont hire an agent, wonder if he would try to be a grad transfer elsewhere. don’t know why a guy wouldn’t hire one otherwise, having a good agent could help you go over seas aswell.
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kjayhawks said:
Interesting that Vick has said that he wont hire an agent, wonder if he would try to be a grad transfer elsewhere. don’t know why a guy wouldn’t hire one otherwise, having a good agent could help you go over seas aswell.
Vicks mom said they would get around to hiring one
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Knox declaring w/ agent.
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@BShark No brainer. Would be dumb to do otherwise imo.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark No brainer. Would be dumb to do otherwise imo.
Still laughing at all the UK hillbillies that believed he was truly “torn” on the decision.
His dad was looking into agents when he was still in HS per Duke insiders.
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@BShark That was a joke. No doubt in my mind he was leaving. I expect SGA to announce with an agent within the week.
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@Kcmatt7 Rupp Rafter’s exploded over this tweet
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/982233786799685632?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Jon Rothstein Verified account @JonRothstein
Kentucky’s Shai Gilgeous-Alexander will announce his plans for next season early next week in Lexington, per a source. #BBN
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I fully expect UK to lose at least one more player besides Knox, Diallo and SGA.
If Hagans commits and reclassifies, you have to think that Green is being shown the door right? And Montgomery is showing someone else the door imo.
Maybe Vanderbilt leaves. Oh. That one would give UK fans tears lol. That’s fun just to think about haha
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Kcmatt7 said:
- PG: Dotson - 32MPG : Moore - 8 MPG
- SG: Grimes - 28 MPG: Garrett - 14 MPG
- SF: Langford - 30 MPG: Garrett - 10 MPG
- PF: Dedric - 30 MPG : Lightfoot/KJ - 10 MPG
- C: Doke: 25 MPG : De Sousa - 15 MPG
I think it does look more and more likely Doke leaves… in which case, this is my thoughts:
- PG: Dotson - 32MPG : Moore - 8 MPG
- SG: Grimes - 28 MPG: Garrett - 14 MPG
- SF: Langford - 30 MPG: Garrett - 10 MPG
- PF: KJ - 22 MPG : Lightfoot - 10 MPG : De Sousa - 8 MPG
- C: Dedric: 30 MPG : De Sousa - 10 MPG
I really like the starting group with KJ and Dedric. I think that let’s us stretch the floor and play fluently on offense, while still be really long on the defensive end.
I am not sure the NCAA will allow 202 minutes from all players, they draw the line at 200…except for overtime.
Take 2 minutes away from Garret and you are gold.
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@mayjay Oh the Cookie man - - do you remember Cookie Mans debut? - -I do 10-10 from the field quite the debut
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@nuleafjhawk Norm Cook was a 6’8 guy had a good career If I remember right out of the state of Illinois - nick name of Cookie man - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Hawk8086 I hadn’t heard or don’t remember. - What happened to Norm? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Man Jontay Porter declaring for the NBA? - -am I missing something? - I do not think for sure he is a one and done - -I don’t get it -where am I wrong? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I hope Romeo becomes a Jayhawk. We have a definite hole that needs to be filled now.
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@jayballer73 Jontay will be a first round pick. Smart of him to get out of Methzoo.
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@jayballer73 I don’t think he hired an agent.
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jayballer73 said:
@Hawk8086 I hadn’t heard or don’t remember. - What happened to Norm? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Very Tragic. Diagnosed with mental illness, I think, while still playing for the Celtics. In and out of facilities. Spent time wandering the streets hearing voices. Estranged from his son who played for Ilini and the Lakers. He died a few years back.
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@BShark I’m not seein 1st round for him lots of really good plyers - I think better them him for 1st round
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@jayballer73 2018 Mock: 24 Big Board: 27
That was just the first thing I found googling too.
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16th on this one
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Jontay is a great pick for a team in the late 1st. He is a good passing, rebounding and shooting 4 man that should fit well in the NBA.
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@Hawk8086 OH MAN - -I hadn’t heard anything about that.- that’s to bad. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark That mock draft also has the first KU guy being Svi at #58. Has Devonte on the bubble. No Malik, but it was produced April 3, so probably not updated for declarers this week.
Sidenote: 2 week college attendee Mitchell Robinson at #18.
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Jontay is projected first round in all the mock drafts I have seen. He reclassified to play with his brother but now that he is off to the NBA no sense waiting since his stock would improve only marginally staying one additional year.
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@JayHawkFanToo If at all. He really might as well start getting paid.
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LOL @ SGA announcing on sports center. Get over yourself.
