2018-2019 Grad & Sitout Transfer Thread
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Chris Mack of Xavier is expected to take the Louisville job. IMO a huge mistake
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BeddieKU23 said:
Chris Mack of Xavier is expected to take the Louisville job. IMO a huge mistake
That’s…lateral right now imo.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Big loss for Florida St. CJ Walker transferring out. Will be a nice addition for someone. Averaged 8ppg, 2 assists
If only it was MJ…
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More Big-12 movement…
Brandon Averette leaving Oklahoma St.
Kris Martin transfers to Oklahoma from Colorado St. Sat out last season after transferring from Oral Roberts where as a Soph he made 73 3’s. Will be interesting to see if he’s eligible this season after already sitting out
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@BeddieKU23 I don’t think he could be eligible if he practiced with C State and attended class (the sit-out triggers). Otherwise transfers could just go someplace they didn’t give a crap about playing for, planning on moving to a better program when they are eligible. Cannot see how that would work. Coaches would go berserk!
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I actually think he’ll be eligible. He already transferred into Colorado St and sat a year without playing for them.
Then Colorado St fired their coach Larry Eustachy who we all know has a checkered past.
CSU intends to terminate the coach’s contract based on Eustachy violating the zero tolerance policy he previously received regarding his abusive behavior toward players and staff, according to the source, who has direct knowledge of the school’s current investigation.
Colorado St did fire Eustachy and Martin was given a full release.
I’m sure he’ll have to apply for a waiver in this case but I can’t see a kid being forced to sit 2 years for nothing. That’s not fair either. In this case the nature of his coach being fired probably gives him a good chance to go somewhere else and play immediately
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@BeddieKU23 Coach being fired might change things enough for a waiver.
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@BeddieKU23 On the other hand, Mitchell Robinson left WKY after attending only 2 weeks of summer school and was also granted a (grudging) release, but was not allowed to play anywhere immediately. (Apparently)
His situation is different because he went there even after his mentor asst coach was fired, and the head coach is obviously more central to players’ choices. But, the NCAA has not been real sympathetic to multiple transfers in the past. Incidentally, @Kcmatt7 provided excellent analysis of this issue last August in the “2018 Recruiting” thread.
I think he sits out, gets yet another year of school for free, graduates, and transfers again!
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 On the other hand, Mitchell Robinson left WKY after attending only 2 weeks of summer school and was also granted a (grudging) release, but was not allowed to play anywhere immediately. (Apparently)
His situation is different because he went there even after his mentor asst coach was fired, and the head coach is obviously more central to players’ choices. But, the NCAA has not been real sympathetic to multiple transfers in the past. Incidentally, @Kcmatt7 provided excellent analysis of this issue last August in the “2018 Recruiting” thread.
I think he sits out, gets yet another year of school for free, graduates, and transfers again!
We have definitely seen the NCAA make bizarre rulings in the past so nothing would surprise me.
I would say Mitchell Robinson wasn’t the best comparison because he was a freshman with different circumstances.
The summer school detail makes this one different with him trying to leave WKU . Given that Braxton Beverley did the same thing (left Ohio St after Matta was fired but was enrolled in Summer School, transferred to NC St and applied for a waiver which he ultimately won after a few tries) I’m surprised Robinson didn’t pursue this further. It makes me think other things were involved there with Robinson who certainly didn’t seem to have a circle of people in his corner with his best intentions.
Martin however most likely transferred into Colorado St last year thinking he gets to play for Eustachy in 2018-19. He fulfills his requirement of sitting a year and at season’s end his coach is fired for some detrimental conduct to his players etc… Martin likely was apart of that so between the conduct and the coach being fired he might have a rather straight forward case here. They can also argue the 5 year window to play 4 would be violated if he was unable to play this season as he would have sat 2 years. A 6th year is usually only granted in medical waiver cases.
I’m assuming OU took him with the assumption he plays this year, they just might have to go through the red tape to get him…
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Imo he should be able to play immediately. My opinion means crap but the kid went there for the coach, not the school.
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@BShark I wonder if he will argue that he is just shy and Eustachy promised to help him meet cheerleaders and invite him to parties and stuff.
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@BeddieKU23 “I’m surprised Robinson didn’t pursue this further. It makes me think other things were involved there with Robinson…”
Yeah, I should have acknowledged that by never actually enrolling anywhere he never had a school apply for a waiver. Both KU and LSU backed off after a couple weeks of interest. Due diligence results, perhaps.
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@BeddieKU23 WOW - - Avertte transferring out of Oklahoma State - really surprises the hell out of me -MERCY didn’t see that coming
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I believe Robinson decide after the first week of Summer school that he really did not want to go to college and this is why he did not pursued it further.
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@mayjay I think both of those teams wanted a guarantee that they would at least get 1 full year of him. Even if the waiver was denied. His camp probably said no.
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Malachi Flynn leaving Washington St. Was one of the best players in the Pac-12 nobody heard of playing at lowly Washington St. Imagine he’ll be one of the most sought after transfers. Sit 1 to play 2
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@JayHawkFanToo He went on visits and looked in to it. But it looked like teams didn’t like his chances and wanted a 2 year commitment. His camp apparently didn’t think that was something they could promise and so it never ended up getting done.
Looking at it now, I think he would have gotten cleared by the NCAA. I also think he did the smart thing by skipping school. He will be a borderline lottery pick still, it looks like. I think we will start to see this happen more often if he really does crack the 1st round after not playing a second of CBB.
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The decision was not up to Mitchell Robinson.
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@BShark 6’10" & 200 lbs! Stork?
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More Power 5 transfer casualties. Pretty much Monday thru Friday from now til summer.
Evan Boudreaux after Mack leaving Xavier has switched to Purdue
Maryland’s Dion Wiley. Fell out of favor with Turgeon
David Nickleberry of Memphis. Regime change casualty
James Banks of Texas. That was expected a long time ago with Texas loading up on bigs.
Harrison Henderson from USC. Saw the writing on the wall with Brooks a Top 100 prospect rejoining the fold
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BeddieKU23 said:
More Power 5 transfer casualties. Pretty much Monday thru Friday from now til summer.
Evan Boudreaux after Mack leaving Xavier has switched to Purdue
Maryland’s Dion Wiley. Fell out of favor with Turgeon
David Nickleberry of Memphis. Regime change casualty
James Banks of Texas. That was expected a long time ago with Texas loading up on bigs.
Harrison Henderson from USC. Saw the writing on the wall with Brooks a Top 100 prospect rejoining the fold
Ah yeah, I was on the Maryland board the other day and they said they expected some attrition among their reserves.
I mentioned in another thread made about the UT transfers that it makes sense and there should be at least one more transfer out of UT.
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Jeff Borzello Verified account @jeffborzello 16s16 seconds ago
Auburn freshman Davion Mitchell is transferring, source told ESPN.
Former ESPN 100 prospect, averaged 3.7 points this season. 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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Oh wow Mitchell is really good. Kind of in a position though at Auburn where he would have had a lot of competition. Purifoy comes back from suspension and they have a transfer from VCU they are really high on in Doughty
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More guys…
Khadim Gueye of South Carolina. Martin’s annual get outta here kids.
Gabe Grant from Houston.
The starting backcourt from Alabany- Nichols and Cremo are both out. Cremo can really shoot it.
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@BeddieKU23 Apparently the Albany guards are grad transfers. I’d be interested in Cremo if no Vick or Langford.
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But it would probably be hard to sell a grad transfer to come into that minutes slog. Even if I think a good grad transfer would be firmly ahead of Moore and Cunliffe.
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BShark said:
But it would probably be hard to sell a grad transfer to come into that minutes slog. Even if I think a good grad transfer would be firmly ahead of Moore and Cunliffe.
Cremo isn’t good enough to play here but I agree its a hard sell with the stacked roster we got. I live 1 hr from Albany and he’s a really good shooter but will be best at a lower level D-1 school. Surprised he left them. Albany had high hopes coming into the season and really underachieved from their normal
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@BeddieKU23 Looks like Maryland and Syracuse are after him.
I just want Langford.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Looks like Maryland and Syracuse are after him.
I just want Langford.
Me too. Interesting he’s getting that kind of looks
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I think it’s a product of the 2018 class not being very good. Programs don’t want to be tied to a player they don’t love just because they have to fill a hole. Better to go after the better 2019 kids with open scholarships.
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@BShark I would love a Canyon Barry type to come in though. Someone just trying to actually go to school but happens to be a very solid good player.
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Norm’s son Justin is transferring from Toledo after 1 year…
Keith Smith leaving Oregon. Never got it going there as a former Top 100 kid
Robert Cartwright leaving Stanford. To be Senior guard never felt like a fit there.
CJ Keyser leaving Wichita St. Wichita imploding, down to 3 guys from last years team
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@BeddieKU23 This was his second year there. Not playing much. He probably needs to go down a level.
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Stanford needed space for Jordan Brown too, I think that’s a factor there.
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Looks like the perfect storm at Wichita State is coming to an end and a cycle of mediocrity looms in the horizon.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Looks like the perfect storm at Wichita State is coming to an end and a cycle of mediocrity looms in the horizon.
I don’t see anyway around it honestly unless he fills those 3 spots available with some grad transfer studs or gets lucky on some spring commit.
McDuffie, Jones & Reaves are at least 3 starters. They need help that’s for sure. Something feels odd here, almost like he’s looking for a way out
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Their class is decent. To me Marsha is like Huggins at this point. I trust that the low ranked guys they get can play better than most think.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/981613735151394817
CJ Jones and Darious Hall leaving Arkansas. Neither moves the needle much.
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Albany grad transfer Joe Cremo told ESPN that Chris Holtmann, Greg McDermott, Shaka Smart, Pat Chambers and Steve Wojciechowski will also be visiting him in Albany the next few days.
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BShark said:
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/981613735151394817
CJ Jones and Darious Hall leaving Arkansas. Neither moves the needle much.
Wow but both would have started this season. Arkansas about to take a big step back from wherever that was
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Transfer list approaching 400 names. Crazy
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@BeddieKU23 Pretty ridiculous tbh. And yeah lots of kids transferring that would have started, I don’t get it in most cases. With the grad transfers I totally get it though.
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We are not even close to where the final number will be. Last season over 700 players transferred and according to the NCAA.…about 40% of all MBB players who enter Division I directly out of high school depart their initial school by the end of their sophomore year.
I would expect about 800 players to transfer this year.
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With the way things are in D1 now, if you aren’t playing by your sophomore season, chances are you never see the floor, so kids are more apt to move. Once you have been in the program a couple of years, the staff has decided who you are within that program. They have determined whether or not they think you can play, so if they don’t think that, they won’t play you.
Plus, at the lower levels, coaching volatility is kind of high, so the guy that recruited you may be on his way out due to lack of success, too much success, retirement, etc.
Because sports takes up so much time at the collegiate level, its hard to stick somewhere when you’re not playing and could play somewhere else. Look at the guys that have left KU - most went on to play elsewhere, many times starting and even starring at a different school. Hard to justify sitting and watching when you’re good enough to play somewhere else.
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Matt Mooney is potentially grad transferring from South Dakota. Says he might still stay. Their coach left for another job this offseason.
18.7/4/3/2 this season (similar numbers the previous season) with decent advanced stats as well. 36% trey gun.
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Duke has contacted the Albany kid Cremo. Moooovin on up.
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BShark said:
Duke has contacted the Albany kid Cremo. Moooovin on up.
Well they do need players don’t don’t stand 6’7 and do the same things. lol
Cremo getting a lot of attention. He can shoot it and he’s a quality player. Going from America East ball to the ACC would be a stretch though. I think he’s a better fit somewhere in the middle level wise.
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Zach Hankins, D-2 Player of the Year signs with Xavier as Grad Transfer. Big dude, 6’11.
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Some recent transfer movement
Oklahoma signs Miles Reynolds, a grad transfer from Pacific. 6’2 averaged 13 ppg. Not much of an outside shooter but lived at the FT a lot. Kruger found his PG for a year.
Coveted Evansville transfer Ryan Taylor lands at Northwestern.
Colorado St’s leading scorer Prentiss Nixon transferring. Sit 1 to play 1 type. Averaged 16 ppg, volume scorer
Coveted Florida St transfer CJ Walker lands closer to home at Ohio St. Good fit for him. Sit 1 to play 2.
Albany transfer David Nichols lands at Florida St. Out with Walker, in with Nichols
Columbia grad-transfer Kyle Castlin 10 pgg lands at Xavier. 2nd transfer to land their since Chris Mack left
