2018-2019 Grad & Sitout Transfer Thread
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Wichita State should be all over some of these players and delay the end of its perfect storm that brought several successful seasons by a confluence of unheralded players that turned out great but seems to be coming to an end. I believe they will be losing 4 starters if Shamet leaves and their top commit bailed out.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Tarik Owens of St Johns. Bouncy 6’11 forward is eligible to play immediately…
By far the highest impact player from this particular group. Could be a rotation piece for a good P5 team or one of the best players for a mid major.
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@JayHawkFanToo He is crusty at this point and has tired of recruiting. High Point is a nice place for him to finish his career. The Big South is a 16 seed type conference.
We will see with WSU. People thought they were going to flame out when Baker and FVV left. Didn’t happen. They should be a bit down next year but they’ve always played a ton of guys, and their best players never even put up insane numbers.
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Definitely if McDuffie and Shamet return that’s a good two’some. Reaves is a really good shooter. Jones will provide additional help on the perimeter. An entire front court of unproven freshman and juco’s. Marsha going to have to find some starters on the market with his 2 spots left
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@BeddieKU23 They 100% make the tournament if Shamet and McDuffie are back. Who in their conference will challenge them? UConn will be way down.
McDuffie is a VERY good player. Injuries curtailed his development this year. He was on track to be drafted after his SO year imo.
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The fall has already begun. They had a deep and experienced roster and did not win the conference or post season tournament and flamed out In the first game of the NCAA. Have they lost 4 starters before? I don’t believe so but I could be wrong.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 They 100% make the tournament if Shamet and McDuffie are back. Who in their conference will challenge them? UConn will be way down.
McDuffie is a VERY good player. Injuries curtailed his development this year. He was on track to be drafted after his SO year imo.
Houston will be very good again next year. Cincinnati still returns enough to be better then them as well. Seeing 3rd best unless SMU turns it around
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@JayHawkFanToo Not sure. Losing that many starters is tough though for sure. KU is losing three minimum so we will have some growing pains too (but more talent).
@BeddieKU23 Fair points. Houston is losing 2 of their top 3 players though, do they have some talent coming in? Or just expected growth of other players? I totally whiffed on Cincinatti. They are a program type school now. Bring in guys that fit the system. Play tough defense. They will definitely have something to say about that conference race.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Fair points. Houston is losing 2 of their top 3 players though, do they have some talent coming in? Or just expected growth of other players? I totally whiffed on Cincinatti. They are a program type school now. Bring in guys that fit the system. Play tough defense. They will definitely have something to say about that conference race.
Yeah Houston loses do it all Grey and Devin Davis who played that undersized forward spot for them.
They do however return their blazing fast PG Robinson, Corey Davis who was the other big-time shooter on the team and Armoni Brooks who made 83 3’s at a 42% clip… 5 rotation guys + two others who played over 20 games.
Not only that they have two transfers if you remember Dejon Jarreau & Brison Gresham former Top 100 players who package-dealed to UMass, left after a year, went to Juco together and now end up at Houston together. Jarreau averaged 9 ppg as a freshman. Gresham had freshman struggles as a 6’9 wirey forward. I can imagine Houston is a good spot for them. Sampson also snuck in and landed Nate Hinton #95 ESPN Top 100, #94 247, a 6’6 wing prospect with a lot of potential and probably one of the highest ranked players they have ever landed. Houston should be pretty good.
Cincinnati does lose a ton. If Jacob Evans leaves and there’s some mocks putting him bottom of the first round that would be a huge blow to them. Do it all forward Gary Clark and Washington leave. As you stated Nati is a program type team and 9 guys who played last year will return.
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@BeddieKU23 Thanks for the breakdown on Houston.
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Nice summary. Sampson can be a very good coach…when not breaking rules.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Nice summary. Sampson can be a very good coach…when not breaking rules.
Absolutely he has turned the Houston program around. Both Football and Basketball have seen remarkable turnarounds.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Thanks for the breakdown on Houston.
Anytime, I was impressed with their tournament run. tough, well coached bunch. Grey can play somewhere after College
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@BeddieKU23 Maryland is going after Tariq Owens hard.
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The Chris Mullen experiment has not gone well. Moments of brilliance, but mostly nothing but disappointment.
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Maryland left the ACC to get away from Duke and UNC and thought it could become top dog in the Big 10 but looks like it cannot decide whether it wants to be a football or basketball school. It does have big funding from Under Armour whose founder played football there.
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Now 4 players gone from Illinois. Michael Finke with 1 year left and Tejon Lucas are transferring. Rough start for Underwood!~
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Matthew Moyer transferring from Syracuse. Someone had to go with Bazley coming in.
Transfer list at 250+
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@BeddieKU23 Seems like he just wanted the big payday. I think he did a good job at OSU, but when you jump jobs the way he did, you deserve to struggle.
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Agree, he should have stayed with OSU. Illinois was not a move forward for him. But Underwood has jumped jobs and now has to prove he can rebuild. Getting Ayo was a big piece but this team will not be competing for anything with the roster they have.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Now 4 players gone from Illinois. Michael Finke with 1 year left and Tejon Lucas are transferring. Rough start for Underwood!~
I missed someone. I know Mark Smith and these two.
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Black left to go pro overseas
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@BeddieKU23 Oh I actually knew that I was thinking there was another transfer. Illinois is going to be so bad next year.
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Big loss for Florida St. CJ Walker transferring out. Will be a nice addition for someone. Averaged 8ppg, 2 assists
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Chris Mack of Xavier is expected to take the Louisville job. IMO a huge mistake
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BeddieKU23 said:
Chris Mack of Xavier is expected to take the Louisville job. IMO a huge mistake
That’s…lateral right now imo.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Big loss for Florida St. CJ Walker transferring out. Will be a nice addition for someone. Averaged 8ppg, 2 assists
If only it was MJ…
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More Big-12 movement…
Brandon Averette leaving Oklahoma St.
Kris Martin transfers to Oklahoma from Colorado St. Sat out last season after transferring from Oral Roberts where as a Soph he made 73 3’s. Will be interesting to see if he’s eligible this season after already sitting out
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@BeddieKU23 I don’t think he could be eligible if he practiced with C State and attended class (the sit-out triggers). Otherwise transfers could just go someplace they didn’t give a crap about playing for, planning on moving to a better program when they are eligible. Cannot see how that would work. Coaches would go berserk!
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I actually think he’ll be eligible. He already transferred into Colorado St and sat a year without playing for them.
Then Colorado St fired their coach Larry Eustachy who we all know has a checkered past.
CSU intends to terminate the coach’s contract based on Eustachy violating the zero tolerance policy he previously received regarding his abusive behavior toward players and staff, according to the source, who has direct knowledge of the school’s current investigation.
Colorado St did fire Eustachy and Martin was given a full release.
I’m sure he’ll have to apply for a waiver in this case but I can’t see a kid being forced to sit 2 years for nothing. That’s not fair either. In this case the nature of his coach being fired probably gives him a good chance to go somewhere else and play immediately
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@BeddieKU23 Coach being fired might change things enough for a waiver.
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@BeddieKU23 On the other hand, Mitchell Robinson left WKY after attending only 2 weeks of summer school and was also granted a (grudging) release, but was not allowed to play anywhere immediately. (Apparently)
His situation is different because he went there even after his mentor asst coach was fired, and the head coach is obviously more central to players’ choices. But, the NCAA has not been real sympathetic to multiple transfers in the past. Incidentally, @Kcmatt7 provided excellent analysis of this issue last August in the “2018 Recruiting” thread.
I think he sits out, gets yet another year of school for free, graduates, and transfers again!
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 On the other hand, Mitchell Robinson left WKY after attending only 2 weeks of summer school and was also granted a (grudging) release, but was not allowed to play anywhere immediately. (Apparently)
His situation is different because he went there even after his mentor asst coach was fired, and the head coach is obviously more central to players’ choices. But, the NCAA has not been real sympathetic to multiple transfers in the past. Incidentally, @Kcmatt7 provided excellent analysis of this issue last August in the “2018 Recruiting” thread.
I think he sits out, gets yet another year of school for free, graduates, and transfers again!
We have definitely seen the NCAA make bizarre rulings in the past so nothing would surprise me.
I would say Mitchell Robinson wasn’t the best comparison because he was a freshman with different circumstances.
The summer school detail makes this one different with him trying to leave WKU . Given that Braxton Beverley did the same thing (left Ohio St after Matta was fired but was enrolled in Summer School, transferred to NC St and applied for a waiver which he ultimately won after a few tries) I’m surprised Robinson didn’t pursue this further. It makes me think other things were involved there with Robinson who certainly didn’t seem to have a circle of people in his corner with his best intentions.
Martin however most likely transferred into Colorado St last year thinking he gets to play for Eustachy in 2018-19. He fulfills his requirement of sitting a year and at season’s end his coach is fired for some detrimental conduct to his players etc… Martin likely was apart of that so between the conduct and the coach being fired he might have a rather straight forward case here. They can also argue the 5 year window to play 4 would be violated if he was unable to play this season as he would have sat 2 years. A 6th year is usually only granted in medical waiver cases.
I’m assuming OU took him with the assumption he plays this year, they just might have to go through the red tape to get him…
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Imo he should be able to play immediately. My opinion means crap but the kid went there for the coach, not the school.
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@BShark I wonder if he will argue that he is just shy and Eustachy promised to help him meet cheerleaders and invite him to parties and stuff.
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@BeddieKU23 “I’m surprised Robinson didn’t pursue this further. It makes me think other things were involved there with Robinson…”
Yeah, I should have acknowledged that by never actually enrolling anywhere he never had a school apply for a waiver. Both KU and LSU backed off after a couple weeks of interest. Due diligence results, perhaps.
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@BeddieKU23 WOW - - Avertte transferring out of Oklahoma State - really surprises the hell out of me -MERCY didn’t see that coming
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I believe Robinson decide after the first week of Summer school that he really did not want to go to college and this is why he did not pursued it further.
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@mayjay I think both of those teams wanted a guarantee that they would at least get 1 full year of him. Even if the waiver was denied. His camp probably said no.
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Malachi Flynn leaving Washington St. Was one of the best players in the Pac-12 nobody heard of playing at lowly Washington St. Imagine he’ll be one of the most sought after transfers. Sit 1 to play 2
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@JayHawkFanToo He went on visits and looked in to it. But it looked like teams didn’t like his chances and wanted a 2 year commitment. His camp apparently didn’t think that was something they could promise and so it never ended up getting done.
Looking at it now, I think he would have gotten cleared by the NCAA. I also think he did the smart thing by skipping school. He will be a borderline lottery pick still, it looks like. I think we will start to see this happen more often if he really does crack the 1st round after not playing a second of CBB.
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The decision was not up to Mitchell Robinson.
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@BShark 6’10" & 200 lbs! Stork?
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More Power 5 transfer casualties. Pretty much Monday thru Friday from now til summer.
Evan Boudreaux after Mack leaving Xavier has switched to Purdue
Maryland’s Dion Wiley. Fell out of favor with Turgeon
David Nickleberry of Memphis. Regime change casualty
James Banks of Texas. That was expected a long time ago with Texas loading up on bigs.
Harrison Henderson from USC. Saw the writing on the wall with Brooks a Top 100 prospect rejoining the fold
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BeddieKU23 said:
More Power 5 transfer casualties. Pretty much Monday thru Friday from now til summer.
Evan Boudreaux after Mack leaving Xavier has switched to Purdue
Maryland’s Dion Wiley. Fell out of favor with Turgeon
David Nickleberry of Memphis. Regime change casualty
James Banks of Texas. That was expected a long time ago with Texas loading up on bigs.
Harrison Henderson from USC. Saw the writing on the wall with Brooks a Top 100 prospect rejoining the fold
Ah yeah, I was on the Maryland board the other day and they said they expected some attrition among their reserves.
I mentioned in another thread made about the UT transfers that it makes sense and there should be at least one more transfer out of UT.
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Jeff Borzello Verified account @jeffborzello 16s16 seconds ago
Auburn freshman Davion Mitchell is transferring, source told ESPN.
Former ESPN 100 prospect, averaged 3.7 points this season. 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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Oh wow Mitchell is really good. Kind of in a position though at Auburn where he would have had a lot of competition. Purifoy comes back from suspension and they have a transfer from VCU they are really high on in Doughty
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More guys…
Khadim Gueye of South Carolina. Martin’s annual get outta here kids.
Gabe Grant from Houston.
The starting backcourt from Alabany- Nichols and Cremo are both out. Cremo can really shoot it.
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@BeddieKU23 Apparently the Albany guards are grad transfers. I’d be interested in Cremo if no Vick or Langford.
