My hopes for KU post season
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My hope is that we have what I call a good/average season. An average season under Bill Self is a Conference title, 30 wins and a sweet 16 birth. I know I’m a minority in this but making the sweet 16 isn’t easy and it’s not a bad year. People I think forget that this maybe the toughest tournament to win in all of sports. I break it down as follows:
Bad/below average season: Not winning the conference and/or a first weekend exit
Good/ average season: Winning the conference and close to 30 games while making the sweet 16
Really good/above average season: Winning the conference, more than 30 games and making to the elite 8
Great Season: Making the final four and when that happens the conference and total wins are irrelevant, Big banner > Little banner
Historic season: National title!
Obliviously not all season fall exactly into this (2010, had both conference titles and 30+ wins) but I think its a good guide line.
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Hopes? In order -
- Win the NC.
- Get to the FF.
- Don’t lose to MU in the tourney.
- Don’t be the first to lose as a #1 seed.
- Don’t lose to WSU in the tourney.
- Don’t lose to a 15 seed as a 2 seed.
It seems like KU/MU as a 1 vs. 8/9 or 2 vs. 7/10 is destiny.
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Wow guys! I want it all including, never mind
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Hopes? NC. No question. Why not hope it?
Expectations? Zero. They have fulfilled them and maybe plus some.
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All we have to do is get hot for 6 games.
That’s how the NC is decided every year. If it was just talent, it would be teams like UK or Duke every single year.
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@drgnslayr what about skill? I think that Scheyer, Nolan, Singler team was the last moderately skilled team Duke has fielded (the year they won over Wisconsin was an assault on the eyes), and really it was just that trio. And the last exceptionally skilled player Duke has had was Redick. Surely, we’ve fielded a higher skill level year in year out than Duke and Kentucky.
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I don’t know, I was taken to task the other day after we wrapped up the championship for suggesting that some here were saying exactly what Lulu said in his post.
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@wissox did you want to hear it again?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I still don’t know what I did wrong especially in light of this thread of comments.
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@Lulufulu I think we’re going to win a national championship. I’ve only been right about that twice since 1988, but I assure you when we win, I will remind everyone I told you so.
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Most likely we will lose at some point in the tourney. The question is how.
Last year it was inferiority to a lengthier and more athletic team (we were the 3rd best team after Oregon IMO). The year prior, we were jobbed at the end of the game by the referees (but ended up losing to the champions). 2015 was a year where Duke was gifted the title game with the ultimate friendly whistle against Wisconsin, who got totally screwed in the last game.
I have been somewhat pessimistic about the tournament since 2015. I think we may lose to a team that plays zone like Texas did the last game.
To me, that’s the question. How are we going to lose?
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I’d take hot over skill any day of the week. We should all know that from our past March experiences.
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KUSTEVE said:
I’ve only been right about that twice since 1988…
Correct twice in 30 years… So, for a few weeks, your signature becomes:
“Looking to improve that 6.7% prediction record this year.”
Yay, verily, yay!
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History says KU will reach the Elite 8 and then crap the bed and score about 55 points against someone that isn’t as good as KU.
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I hope for a fun run! Final Four would be awesome. I know the Elite 8 games are stressful, it feels so different if we get the extra week to feel connected to our team.
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@wissox It is the difference between hope for more, but tempered with realistic subjective expectations, versus hope that says you will feel let down if the team doesn’t fulfill your hopes.
As I said in my taking you to task, it is a difference in how you expect you will look back on this team. If we win it all, everyone will be happy and proud. But if we don’t, some of us anticipate that we will still be satisfied with the season because of the huge obstacles KU overcame. Others, as we have seen, will call it “crapping out” because they will be satisfied by nothing less than a F4 or NC.
I was just reacting to your tone of putting down the former group as if they won’t be cheering KU in the post-season when you really know we will. And I told you the negative tone seemed unusual for you.
I think both types of hopes are fair to have, and neither group should feel superior to the other. I personally think the people who get angry at the team for flaming out early are losing something by not appreciating the positives and focusing on the negative, but people all have their own views of what it takes to make them happy.
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So #1 seed depends on us winning the tourney now I’d think. An 8 loss #1 seed would definitely be an anomoly.
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Kcmatt7 said:
So #1 seed depends on us winning the tourney now I’d think. An 8 loss #1 seed would definitely be an anomoly.
A blowout loss to a team that may not even be in the tourney probably blew our chances for a one seed, and that’s fine. Less pressure for this team.
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@HawkChamp Nova and Duke got beat by bad teams this season too. Everyone has. At this point, I think it will be harder to get passed the number of losses more than losses to OK State. Id rather have the 2 seed in Omaha than the 1 seed in LA though anyways.
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Are we talking about the 2019 post season itt yet?
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Kcmatt7 said:
@HawkChamp Nova and Duke got beat by bad teams this season too. Everyone has. At this point, I think it will be harder to get passed the number of losses more than losses to OK State. Id rather have the 2 seed in Omaha than the 1 seed in LA though anyways.
agreed.
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Kcmatt7 said:
So #1 seed depends on us winning the tourney now I’d think. An 8 loss #1 seed would definitely be an anomoly.
I would say a 1 seed is out of KU’s control at this point even if they win the Big 12 tournament. KU would be dependent upon others losing to get back to the 1 line, primarily Duke and Xavier.
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Don’t forget that KU has something neither Duke or Xavier can get, a regular season conference title.
That could matter in the final equation.
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@justanotherfan Xavier won the conference didn’t they?
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@dylans thanks for the assist
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Villanova’s conference title streak ends at 6, it was the current longest by a team not named KU. When you think about it, it makes the KU streak that much more amazing.
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justanotherfan said:
Don’t forget that KU has something neither Duke or Xavier can get, a regular season conference title.
That could matter in the final equation.
Xavier did win the Big East regular season title this year and Duke may not have won the ACC title, but the team that did is going to be the overall 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. That’s why Duken can get a 1 seed because they’ll still be ranked lower than the 1st place team in the ACC.
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I’m just hoping for World Peace.
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@JayHawkFanToo Serious question, does the Big 12 have a team consistently better than Xavier? I don’t think so. Always wins 20, has made the NCAA tourney all but two seasons since 2004, has 7 Sweet 16s since 2004, and has more Elite Eight appearances (3) than any Big 12 team not named Kansas during the Bill Self era (since 2004).
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HighEliteMajor said:
@JayHawkFanToo Serious question, does the Big 12 have a team consistently better than Xavier? I don’t think so. Always wins 20, has made the NCAA tourney all but two seasons since 2004, has 7 Sweet 16s since 2004, and has more Elite Eight appearances (3) than any Big 12 team not named Kansas during the Bill Self era (since 2004).
Besides Kansas no. Xavier is a basketball school.
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So considering how easy it is for opponents to generate good offense vs this KU team I really don’t expect much in the NCAAT.
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BShark said:
So considering how easy it is for opponents to generate good offense vs this KU team I really don’t expect much in the NCAAT.
Our defense has sucked major for the majority of the year. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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kjayhawks said:
My hope is that we have what I call a good/average season. An average season under Bill Self is a Conference title, 30 wins and a sweet 16 birth. I know I’m a minority in this but making the sweet 16 isn’t easy and it’s not a bad year. People I think forget that this maybe the toughest tournament to win in all of sports. I break it down as follows:
Bad/below average season: Not winning the conference and/or a first weekend exit
Good/ average season: Winning the conference and close to 30 games while making the sweet 16
Really good/above average season: Winning the conference, more than 30 games and making to the elite 8
Great Season: Making the final four and when that happens the conference and total wins are irrelevant, Big banner > Little banner
Historic season: National title!
Obliviously not all season fall exactly into this (2010, had both conference titles and 30+ wins) but I think its a good guide line.
Good post. But if next year we don’t win the regular season title or Big 12 tourney championship, and don’t win 30 games BUT win the NC it would be a great year. That’s what KU basketball players lace them up for every year just like the 1988, 27-10 Kansas Jayhawks!
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@jayballer73 It’s the worst I can remember in the Self era.
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@BShark mine too
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It will take all 4 starting guards showing up every game the entire tournament in order to make it far.
Hopefully we can get blessed with the #2 seed in the Midwest and get as much of an advantage as is possible.
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@Kcmatt7 I would say the odds of that happening is next to zero, since Vick has been almost non existent for quite some time. I believe we can still make a good showing with three guards playing well and Doke having a decent game. Especially if we get some surprise help from the bench. That scenario is what has gotten us this far, so hopefully it will continue. It would be nice to win 30 games this season. I would call that pretty successful with what has been dealt to us this year. (Preston, thin bench, etc.)
Lets go to San Antonio!!!
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BShark said:
So considering how easy it is for opponents to generate good offense vs this KU team I really don’t expect much in the NCAAT.
I could see them flipping a switch like last year’s team did. Of course, I wouldn’t really be surprised if they didn’t either. Who know’s what to expect or what team will show up night to night.
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@HawkChamp I thought the switch had been flipped. Until yesterday…
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@HawkChamp But maybe we can switch it back on…
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HighEliteMajor said:
@JayHawkFanToo Serious question, does the Big 12 have a team consistently better than Xavier? I don’t think so. Always wins 20, has made the NCAA tourney all but two seasons since 2004, has 7 Sweet 16s since 2004, and has more Elite Eight appearances (3) than any Big 12 team not named Kansas during the Bill Self era (since 2004).
Well, of course it does, it is called KU which last time I checked was still a member of the Big 12.
I have always maintained that Xavier is a real good program that has had the benefit of very good coaches who all used the position as a springboard to bigger programs including Pete Gillen (Providence, Virginia), Skip Prosser (Wake Forest), Thad Matha (Ohio State) and Sean Miller (Arizona); last time on a thread where a poster (who shall remain nameless lest incurring the risk of a 5,000 word rebuttal ) stated Miller is/was not a good coach and I mentioned his success at Xavier and of course Arizona. Chris Mack has also done very well and this might be his best team.
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The Jethro Bracket:
EAST
- Virgin
- Sparty
- Cincy
- Michigan
SOUTH
- Nova
- UNC
- Auburn
- Texas Tech
MW
- Xavier
- KU
- WSU
- Ohio St
WEST
- DOOK
- Purdew
- Tenn
- Zona
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I dropped the Huggy thugs out, and replaced them with THE Ohio St. If Clemson does anything in the ACC tournament, then I’ll move them ahead of Bucky.
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They can beat anyone and lose to anyone. Size will kill them. Let’s hope they match up against small ball till the end of championship Monday.
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Good call. Apparently my ability to read conference standings has completely eroded in the last few weeks. I couldn’t read the Big 10 standings a couple weeks ago, now apparently can’t read the Big East.
I guess the lesson here is to not trust anything I say about conference standings. lol.
KU did win the Big 12 though, right? j/k
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I just cheer my heart out for KU come tournament time and hope to survive and advance. I appreciate how hard these young men practice and play. It is not as simple as putting on a uniform that says KANSAS and everything goes their way. It takes effort, teamwork, luck and a few breaks from the officials to pull it off. Regardless of the outcome, I will be back next year, enjoying the ride and cheering for our Kansas Jayhawks!
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Ditto everyones sentiments. I love our Jayhawks, always will. But, they just got their asses handed to them by Okie state. I am officially tempering my expectations even further for the remaining guaranteed games. 1 Big 12 tourney game and 1 NCAA tourney game.
