Preston Gone
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I agree with you 100%. It is easy to blame the NCAA because it is a convenient target that does not comment on issues such as this; as you know, I have always maintained that the NCAA just does the job it was tasked to do. At this time I am inclined to think that the Preston clan withheld critical information from KU and went into full CYA mode once the story broke and in the process cost KU a lot of time and effort and wasted valuable program resources. As a fan I am pi$$ed; I bet Acura has Self is livid.
P.zs. At least we are now caught up with scholarship for next year even if nobody leaves.
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Everyone remember to respect Billy please and let’s not hound the young man best of luck Billy!
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@mayjay Our great minds are working on that as we speak.
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DoubleDD said:
You want facts? All right. Every year KU has a recruit that is subject to the long arm of the NCAA. Yet we never hear of anything about UNC, Duke, or UK. All the players they recruit are golden boys. Now keep in mind these kids are all come from the same slums. Yet somehow KU always gets the bad ones. How is that?
How is it that UNC, Duke, and UK can recruit the same kids and they are golden. Yet when KU gets a kid well the NCAA has to investigate?
Where are the facts in your statement?
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Year after year you see the NCAA investigate a KU recruit. Yet you don’t see a basis. Ok fair enough. Then maybe I should change my argument to why Coach recruits such suspect players, because UNC, Duke, and UK don’t have this problem.
No you’ve corrected me. We should be focusing on coach. I mean Jesus every year we have a recruit under investigation from the NCAA. What the hell is Coach doing?
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I seriously doubt Coach Self would ever agree to anything even remotely close to what you mentioned; the truth would eventually come out and his credibility and reputation would be destroyed. I just don’t see it being feasible.
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@HighEliteMajor The penalty after the '88 championship was a joke. Not allowing KU to defend their title. It stopped our tournament run which is still going on by the way.
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@DoubleDD Did we ever assume the federal government would go after college basketball recruiting? UNC violated federal laws with their academic fraud, and when that report came out, UNC opened themselves up to a federal investigation which could be ongoing as we speak.
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Ok fair enough. Name the players that Duke, UNC, and Uk that have been investgated by the NCAA. Now count the number of recruits that KU has had investigated by the NCAA.
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@Gunman I agree but not sure that team would have danced anyways.
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Like I Said do you really think UNC is going to get any punishment? Come on be honest.
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East Coast schools have a recruiting advantage just by virtue of geographical location. Other schools also have similar issues, we are jus more familiar with those close to home.
Perhaps the question should be, can you offer any proof that KU or its recruits have been unfairly targeted? Diallo had issues with transcripts and his handlers, Alexander admitted that his mother made a big mistake and sounds like Billy and family got greedy and withheld information from KU…how is the NCAA to blame for just doing its job?
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Preston is the first recruit we’ve lost for an entire season at least in the last decade or so. And we don’t this for sure, but he still could have been cleared to play. I can’t take the time to investigate, but Kentucky lost a player for the whole season Ennis Kanter. That’s more than we’ve lost.
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@JayHawkFanToo My suggestion was not a crooked deal. I think it could also have included the NCAA which might not have enough proof of fire but saw some smoke.
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DoubleDD said:
Like I Said do you really think UNC is going to get any punishment? Come on be honest.
Yes, they’re focused in Michigan State right now and UNC is probably next on their list. UNC has already admitted academic fraud, so that case is going to be a fairly simple one to nail UNC on and the federal government lives low hanging fruit cases.
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Self put out a fluff piece statement . Boy id love to be a fly on a wall in a room where he’s having a cocktail and talking about how he really feels about this situation. Imagine the restraint coaches have to display in this day and age
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@wissox And Preston/Cliff were never ruled ineligible by the NCAA. Any penalties our guys have gotten (Jackson, Selby) have been relatively minor.
@JayHawkFanToo You’re not dismissing the possibility of a behind the scenes deal, are you? Wouldn’t it be prudent for Self to make a deal that protected the integrity of his program, if he was not part of it and did not have prior knowledge of it?
@BeddieKU23 When will we know the truth? I wonder how long it will take.
KU is a public institution. Would we not be entitled to see the information submitted to the NCAA? Would we not be entitled to see the fruits of the money spent by this public institution?
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HighEliteMajor said:
Perhaps the biggest disaster of the Self era regarding a recruit. But we are better to have closure. And Self took action to get DeSousa in and eligible to mitigate the disaster. Now, let’s play ball.
It is good to know that “BC Igokea will keep raising.” We will all be watching, I’m sure.
Agree, now there is closure, I’m not going to be a Billy basher, and I think may sound crazy but who knows actually maybe the team might even play better now with closure - -we are not playing the what if game any longer. - Wish Billy the best. - -ROC CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Not surprised at all at this point. Maybe now that it’s over, we’ll get to hear the full story.
WHY? - - how does that benefit us? - -doesn’t change anything - who cares? or should care , not bringing Billy back - time to move on. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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kjayhawks said:
Everyone remember to respect Billy please and no let’s not hound the young man best of luck Billy!
Couldn’t agree more. - - he is what an 18 yr old kid? - -we all make mistakes , we don’t need to bash the kid, wish him nothing but the best. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Jayballer54 You said, “… but who knows actually maybe the team might even play better now with closure …”
Exactly. Drama over. What ifs over. Possibilities over. We have our team.
If we hold to form, we’ll struggle today. But if we have moved to a different place, we steamroll Baylor.
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how will this affect scholastic achievement records ? is he enrolled in class? have they started? will he have to drop or be awarded failures?
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Jayballer54 You said, “… but who knows actually maybe the team might even play better now with closure …”
Exactly. Drama over. What ifs over. Possibilities over. We have our team.
If we hold to form, we’ll struggle today. But if we have moved to a different place, we steamroll Baylor.
I couldn’t agree more. - -Actually in the end actually , it’s like a huge weight being lifted off our shoulders . - maybe not the result we wanted but , time to move on .I wish Billy the best, not going to turn into some Billy basher sounds like he made mistakes but I think just about everyone that age has I know I did. - -I’m not saying in anyway that your any Biller basher - just saying for conversation - there is some that instantly are, kind of sad. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Self isn’t going to take a chance. There is obviously a lot more to it than just the car with Billy. Looking back it’s pretty easy to assume Self had a pretty good idea Billy wouldn’t be eligible when he pressed to get Silvio here.
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Kind of comical in a way what some KU people are saying now that Billy is gone. - -So really delusional people. things such as:
OH well that’s it it’s a done deal now - this gives us Zion, that’s why they announced this today - -before Zion’s announcement he now knows he has a spot or starting spot on KU’S roster. - - - LMAO - -SERIOUSLY? - -that is past funny - mercy I wish I had some of what some people is smoking lol. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I got nothing. Whatever…moving on. Bye Billy and good luck. Next…
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I blame BShark. We all know you bought him that car, you swine.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I blame BShark. We all know you bought him that car, you swine.
SORRY DAMN IT
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OK Mitch, no pressure, but the entire season now rest on your shoulders. Holly asked Mitch once about being yelled at this year by Coach Self and does it bother him?. “No, last year I didn’t get to play and he never yelled at me.”
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Those of you that said if he was not eligible by the start of 2nd semester he was probably gone…were right. It is good to get it over with and move on. I really think to be a FF contender we needed Billy. Without him, we can still be a very good team (we already are part of the time), but I don’t think we will become a FF contender…Silvio will have to progress faster than is reasonable…IMO.
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@Kubie Great point. A complete blessing this was discovered preseason.
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BShark said:
Self isn’t going to take a chance. There is obviously a lot more to it than just the car with Billy. Looking back it’s pretty easy to assume Self had a pretty good idea Billy wouldn’t be eligible when he pressed to get Silvio here.
I had been saying for some time that there HAD to be more then just the car - - had to be, it doesn’t take that long to settle an issue for just a car. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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If we get Williamson, then everyone forgets…just the way it is.
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AND - I’m over it.
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This chart shows APR calculation. Teams get 1 pt for each athlete staying in school and another pt for being academically eligible. So, assuming he was academically eligible from fall classes, BP gets us 1 out of 2 pts because he did not stay. Total points divided by total possible points x 1000 gives the team score.
So it costs us but not too bad if everyone else sticks around and does ok.
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wissox said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that. I’m a really kidding because I believe Dave will be a fine young man here
Who is Dave?
McCormack, our burger boy signed for next season
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven’t read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments…
I’m totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can’t go into details, but Grimes is the one I’d be most concerned with out of this class.
I can’t go into detail but that’s full of crap
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Yep. I was floored when I saw this post on my twitter feed. I feel awful for Billy and yet I cant blame the kid for wanting to bail out and do whats best for him. The NCAA screwed him and KU big time. This is absolute horse shit.
I wish nothing but the best for him and his fam.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven’t read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments…
I’m totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can’t go into details, but Grimes is the one I’d be most concerned with out of this class.
I can’t go into detail but that’s full of crap
Sorry, but it’s not crap. I work 20 minutes from his school. I’ve heard whispers from people highly involved in the Alumni Association that there are some potential red flags with Grimes and his family.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven’t read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments…
I’m totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can’t go into details, but Grimes is the one I’d be most concerned with out of this class.
I can’t go into detail but that’s full of crap
Sorry, but it’s not crap. I work 20 minutes from his school. I’ve heard whispers from people highly involved in the Alumni Association that there are some potential red flags with Grimes and his family.
Awesome let’s report him now then…
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@BeddieKU23 Actually, if there are red flags it would be better to know now before he enrolls and gets into a car wreck…
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 Actually, if there are red flags it would be better to know now before he enrolls and gets into a car wreck…
We might as well call the fbi, at least get the ncaa involved. I mean why recruit players anymore
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There are potential red flags with anyone that plays on the major shoe circuit. Better just recruit nothing but Garretts I guess.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 So why can’t you go into detail? Or semi-detail? I mean, you’re anonymous here. I love inside info if we actually get info. If you heard “whispers” then others heard them too. You’re not breaching any confidences since you already opened the can.
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Ochai Agbaji is probably clean too.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 So why can’t you go into detail? Or semi-detail? I mean, you’re anonymous here. I love inside info if we actually get info. If you heard “whispers” then others heard them too. You’re not breaching any confidences since you already opened the can.
This.
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BShark said:
Ochai Agbaji is probably clean too.
Heard he got paid to come today.
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Well damn there goes that.
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mayjay said:
@cragarhawk Well, we gotta find something else to wonder and gripe about now, don’t we?
Well, that didn’t take long.
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Just curious, do you think Billy will even take the Charger with him to Europe?
All this for a car he will only drive for a couple months. Is Billy really the victim here? I think not. I think thr victims are his teammates whom he let down when he accepted a car that knew had to be shady. Could not someone in his family have said one simple word? No.
Good riddance. Go Silvio!!
