Preston Gone
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@cragarhawk Well, we gotta find something else to wonder and gripe about now, don’t we?
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@mayjay the situation leaves plenty to be wondered and griped about if that’s what ppl choose to do. I’m happy the team doesn’t have to deal with it any longer. They can just go play with who they have. They can grow into everything that specific group can be with out being hindered by it all. I’m more excited for the team we have. It’s a good day to be Jayhawk. Maybe this group will really really come together as is now. I’d love to see it.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven’t read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments…
I’m totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can’t go into details, but Grimes is the one I’d be most concerned with out of this class.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that. I’m a really kidding because I believe Dave will be a fine young man here
Who is Dave?
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@majalay Excellent theorizing. Interesting possibilities.
So as I’m reading more, if the adidas thing is part of this, the connect the dots could be Billy gets a car paid for by money he or his mom got from adidas? If that is true, then the dishonesty/deception is deep. But we don’t know. Will we ever know?
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I hate to say it. Yet right on Preston. Do what you must. You’re not going to get a fair shake from the NCAA. Well unless it’s Duke, UNC, and Kentucky. You got pennies on a car, Yet how many athletes from UNC got 10 of thousands from UNC on their basket weaving classes?
No sir do what you must. I don’t blame you. Just makes me sad that if you choose Duke, UNC, or UK you would playing. I so wanted you to be a Jayhawk.
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@DoubleDD I doubt it friend.
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So sad that the NCAA feels that getting Pennines on a car is the end of all ends. Yet if you are able to cheat and get free grades? No big deal. The NCAA is priceless.
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You doubt what?
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So Ayton gets $$$ to go to Arizona and plays. Sexton gets money to go to Alabama and plays after being implicated by the FBI as guilty, but was cleared by NCAA. Billy gets nothing proven, no NCAA sanctions and no chance to play for KU? Weird world we live in. I’d just as soon see all kids who take a money forced to sit one year (even if it’s like Cliff).
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@DoubleDD I doubt the NCAA goes easy on those three programs. They couldn’t get away with it. Sadly, to me anyways, it’s a common theme here.
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Ok explain how UNC got away with the basketweaving class. I haven’t heard of any punishment from the NCAA?
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Plus are you going to tell me all this stud classes that UK has been gettin sense Cal showed up (Uk wasn’t getting those recruiting classes before) nobody is getting paid?
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Or are you going to tell me that the Kentucky Wildcats are so awesome that they can get anybody they want without doing any thing wrong?
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I pointed out that the process is like a trial where the defense presents its case based on the information submitted by the defendant which may or may not be true. I bet KU was pretty confident that it presented a good case and this is why Billy practiced and travelled with the team.
I will guess that early this week the NCAA showed KU evidence it did no have and this is why Coach Self stopped saying…any time now. I also thought that if he was not cleared by the start of classes which was last Tuesday, he likely would be gone and based on the timing of the signing appears to be correct and this is why I said I would be very surprised if he played this season at all.
This is one of those times I wish I had been wrong.
KU spent a shitload of money, I read $500K, that could have used for more worthwhile causes; I wish KU could recover the money. Maybe elite programs should band together and agree on a contract that prospects must sign that states that if they do not disclose conditions that would cause them to not qualify, they must reimburse the school for expenses incurred on his behalf and they can collect from future earnings. Preston and possee screwed KU big time.
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@DoubleDD I don’t know. I wasn’t privvy to everything that went down there, as I assume none of us were. Sure it appeared that way, but we don’t have facts of that.
When we see a conspiracy behind anything that goes against KU it makes us look paranoid.
I will say, present facts that Duke, UNC and Kentucky receive NCAA favors and I’ll believe you, but they must be facts! Because believe me I do want to believe that those programs are being allowed to cheat by the NCAA!
(I should retract all of my comments that the NCAA cheated for Duke against Wisconsin in 2015
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@DoubleDD KU is not persecuted, KU is not the victim of the NCAA. It may help to try to rationalize it that way, but for the life of me, I can’t look back on any player situation where it was handled unfairly by the NCAA. Of course, I admit, we don’t know yet about Preston.
Without rules, there is no CBB.
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You want facts? All right. Every year KU has a recruit that is subject to the long arm of the NCAA. Yet we never hear of anything about UNC, Duke, or UK. All the players they recruit are golden boys. Now keep in mind these kids are all come from the same slums. Yet somehow KU always gets the bad ones. How is that?
How is it that UNC, Duke, and UK can recruit the same kids and they are golden. Yet when KU gets a kid well the NCAA has to investigate?
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@DoubleDD UNC got away with what they did from the NCAA because they offered those classes to everyone. UNC’s bigger concern is going to come from the Department of Education and their accreditation status.
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Fair enough. Yet there is no reason to worry when nobody is being investigated. Can’t blame anybody. Right?
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It could be that KU is just more careful than the other schools, particularly in a year where setting the record for consecutive conference titles is at stake? (Mmmm…STEAK!)
Could be a good thing or a bad thing. I’m guessing that there could be a little NCAA bias as well. Seriously, the same bias that east coast teams have always had. How often do teams in time zones other than east coast win the tourney? Sure, there are a lot more schools over there, but still. East coast games sell better than the others. It’s all about what sells. News, weather, and sports. That’s the underlying motivation.
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Come on. YOu know as well as I do UNC Isn’t going to face any penalties.
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It is hard to be greatful for a car wreck but in this case it likely saved KU from serious issues. Just think what would have occurred if it taken a month or more longer for that car to have been connected to Billy. At this point I am wondering if the car is just the tip of the iceberg.
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I figured he’d get cleared before the end of this month or be gone. Why waste time going to school and have limited practices. I personally think there is more to the story than the car.
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I agree with you 100%. It is easy to blame the NCAA because it is a convenient target that does not comment on issues such as this; as you know, I have always maintained that the NCAA just does the job it was tasked to do. At this time I am inclined to think that the Preston clan withheld critical information from KU and went into full CYA mode once the story broke and in the process cost KU a lot of time and effort and wasted valuable program resources. As a fan I am pi$$ed; I bet Acura has Self is livid.
P.zs. At least we are now caught up with scholarship for next year even if nobody leaves.
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Everyone remember to respect Billy please and let’s not hound the young man best of luck Billy!
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@mayjay Our great minds are working on that as we speak.
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DoubleDD said:
You want facts? All right. Every year KU has a recruit that is subject to the long arm of the NCAA. Yet we never hear of anything about UNC, Duke, or UK. All the players they recruit are golden boys. Now keep in mind these kids are all come from the same slums. Yet somehow KU always gets the bad ones. How is that?
How is it that UNC, Duke, and UK can recruit the same kids and they are golden. Yet when KU gets a kid well the NCAA has to investigate?
Where are the facts in your statement?
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Year after year you see the NCAA investigate a KU recruit. Yet you don’t see a basis. Ok fair enough. Then maybe I should change my argument to why Coach recruits such suspect players, because UNC, Duke, and UK don’t have this problem.
No you’ve corrected me. We should be focusing on coach. I mean Jesus every year we have a recruit under investigation from the NCAA. What the hell is Coach doing?
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I seriously doubt Coach Self would ever agree to anything even remotely close to what you mentioned; the truth would eventually come out and his credibility and reputation would be destroyed. I just don’t see it being feasible.
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@HighEliteMajor The penalty after the '88 championship was a joke. Not allowing KU to defend their title. It stopped our tournament run which is still going on by the way.
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@DoubleDD Did we ever assume the federal government would go after college basketball recruiting? UNC violated federal laws with their academic fraud, and when that report came out, UNC opened themselves up to a federal investigation which could be ongoing as we speak.
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Ok fair enough. Name the players that Duke, UNC, and Uk that have been investgated by the NCAA. Now count the number of recruits that KU has had investigated by the NCAA.
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@Gunman I agree but not sure that team would have danced anyways.
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Like I Said do you really think UNC is going to get any punishment? Come on be honest.
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East Coast schools have a recruiting advantage just by virtue of geographical location. Other schools also have similar issues, we are jus more familiar with those close to home.
Perhaps the question should be, can you offer any proof that KU or its recruits have been unfairly targeted? Diallo had issues with transcripts and his handlers, Alexander admitted that his mother made a big mistake and sounds like Billy and family got greedy and withheld information from KU…how is the NCAA to blame for just doing its job?
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Preston is the first recruit we’ve lost for an entire season at least in the last decade or so. And we don’t this for sure, but he still could have been cleared to play. I can’t take the time to investigate, but Kentucky lost a player for the whole season Ennis Kanter. That’s more than we’ve lost.
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@JayHawkFanToo My suggestion was not a crooked deal. I think it could also have included the NCAA which might not have enough proof of fire but saw some smoke.
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DoubleDD said:
Like I Said do you really think UNC is going to get any punishment? Come on be honest.
Yes, they’re focused in Michigan State right now and UNC is probably next on their list. UNC has already admitted academic fraud, so that case is going to be a fairly simple one to nail UNC on and the federal government lives low hanging fruit cases.
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Self put out a fluff piece statement . Boy id love to be a fly on a wall in a room where he’s having a cocktail and talking about how he really feels about this situation. Imagine the restraint coaches have to display in this day and age
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@wissox And Preston/Cliff were never ruled ineligible by the NCAA. Any penalties our guys have gotten (Jackson, Selby) have been relatively minor.
@JayHawkFanToo You’re not dismissing the possibility of a behind the scenes deal, are you? Wouldn’t it be prudent for Self to make a deal that protected the integrity of his program, if he was not part of it and did not have prior knowledge of it?
@BeddieKU23 When will we know the truth? I wonder how long it will take.
KU is a public institution. Would we not be entitled to see the information submitted to the NCAA? Would we not be entitled to see the fruits of the money spent by this public institution?
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HighEliteMajor said:
Perhaps the biggest disaster of the Self era regarding a recruit. But we are better to have closure. And Self took action to get DeSousa in and eligible to mitigate the disaster. Now, let’s play ball.
It is good to know that “BC Igokea will keep raising.” We will all be watching, I’m sure.
Agree, now there is closure, I’m not going to be a Billy basher, and I think may sound crazy but who knows actually maybe the team might even play better now with closure - -we are not playing the what if game any longer. - Wish Billy the best. - -ROC CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Not surprised at all at this point. Maybe now that it’s over, we’ll get to hear the full story.
WHY? - - how does that benefit us? - -doesn’t change anything - who cares? or should care , not bringing Billy back - time to move on. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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kjayhawks said:
Everyone remember to respect Billy please and no let’s not hound the young man best of luck Billy!
Couldn’t agree more. - - he is what an 18 yr old kid? - -we all make mistakes , we don’t need to bash the kid, wish him nothing but the best. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Jayballer54 You said, “… but who knows actually maybe the team might even play better now with closure …”
Exactly. Drama over. What ifs over. Possibilities over. We have our team.
If we hold to form, we’ll struggle today. But if we have moved to a different place, we steamroll Baylor.
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how will this affect scholastic achievement records ? is he enrolled in class? have they started? will he have to drop or be awarded failures?
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Jayballer54 You said, “… but who knows actually maybe the team might even play better now with closure …”
Exactly. Drama over. What ifs over. Possibilities over. We have our team.
If we hold to form, we’ll struggle today. But if we have moved to a different place, we steamroll Baylor.
I couldn’t agree more. - -Actually in the end actually , it’s like a huge weight being lifted off our shoulders . - maybe not the result we wanted but , time to move on .I wish Billy the best, not going to turn into some Billy basher sounds like he made mistakes but I think just about everyone that age has I know I did. - -I’m not saying in anyway that your any Biller basher - just saying for conversation - there is some that instantly are, kind of sad. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Self isn’t going to take a chance. There is obviously a lot more to it than just the car with Billy. Looking back it’s pretty easy to assume Self had a pretty good idea Billy wouldn’t be eligible when he pressed to get Silvio here.
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Kind of comical in a way what some KU people are saying now that Billy is gone. - -So really delusional people. things such as:
OH well that’s it it’s a done deal now - this gives us Zion, that’s why they announced this today - -before Zion’s announcement he now knows he has a spot or starting spot on KU’S roster. - - - LMAO - -SERIOUSLY? - -that is past funny - mercy I wish I had some of what some people is smoking lol. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I got nothing. Whatever…moving on. Bye Billy and good luck. Next…
