Preston Gone
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how will this affect scholastic achievement records ? is he enrolled in class? have they started? will he have to drop or be awarded failures?
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Jayballer54 You said, “… but who knows actually maybe the team might even play better now with closure …”
Exactly. Drama over. What ifs over. Possibilities over. We have our team.
If we hold to form, we’ll struggle today. But if we have moved to a different place, we steamroll Baylor.
I couldn’t agree more. - -Actually in the end actually , it’s like a huge weight being lifted off our shoulders . - maybe not the result we wanted but , time to move on .I wish Billy the best, not going to turn into some Billy basher sounds like he made mistakes but I think just about everyone that age has I know I did. - -I’m not saying in anyway that your any Biller basher - just saying for conversation - there is some that instantly are, kind of sad. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Self isn’t going to take a chance. There is obviously a lot more to it than just the car with Billy. Looking back it’s pretty easy to assume Self had a pretty good idea Billy wouldn’t be eligible when he pressed to get Silvio here.
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Kind of comical in a way what some KU people are saying now that Billy is gone. - -So really delusional people. things such as:
OH well that’s it it’s a done deal now - this gives us Zion, that’s why they announced this today - -before Zion’s announcement he now knows he has a spot or starting spot on KU’S roster. - - - LMAO - -SERIOUSLY? - -that is past funny - mercy I wish I had some of what some people is smoking lol. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I got nothing. Whatever…moving on. Bye Billy and good luck. Next…
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I blame BShark. We all know you bought him that car, you swine.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
I blame BShark. We all know you bought him that car, you swine.
SORRY DAMN IT
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OK Mitch, no pressure, but the entire season now rest on your shoulders. Holly asked Mitch once about being yelled at this year by Coach Self and does it bother him?. “No, last year I didn’t get to play and he never yelled at me.”
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Those of you that said if he was not eligible by the start of 2nd semester he was probably gone…were right. It is good to get it over with and move on. I really think to be a FF contender we needed Billy. Without him, we can still be a very good team (we already are part of the time), but I don’t think we will become a FF contender…Silvio will have to progress faster than is reasonable…IMO.
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@Kubie Great point. A complete blessing this was discovered preseason.
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BShark said:
Self isn’t going to take a chance. There is obviously a lot more to it than just the car with Billy. Looking back it’s pretty easy to assume Self had a pretty good idea Billy wouldn’t be eligible when he pressed to get Silvio here.
I had been saying for some time that there HAD to be more then just the car - - had to be, it doesn’t take that long to settle an issue for just a car. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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If we get Williamson, then everyone forgets…just the way it is.
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AND - I’m over it.
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This chart shows APR calculation. Teams get 1 pt for each athlete staying in school and another pt for being academically eligible. So, assuming he was academically eligible from fall classes, BP gets us 1 out of 2 pts because he did not stay. Total points divided by total possible points x 1000 gives the team score.
So it costs us but not too bad if everyone else sticks around and does ok.
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wissox said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that. I’m a really kidding because I believe Dave will be a fine young man here
Who is Dave?
McCormack, our burger boy signed for next season
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven’t read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments…
I’m totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can’t go into details, but Grimes is the one I’d be most concerned with out of this class.
I can’t go into detail but that’s full of crap
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Yep. I was floored when I saw this post on my twitter feed. I feel awful for Billy and yet I cant blame the kid for wanting to bail out and do whats best for him. The NCAA screwed him and KU big time. This is absolute horse shit.
I wish nothing but the best for him and his fam.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven’t read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments…
I’m totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can’t go into details, but Grimes is the one I’d be most concerned with out of this class.
I can’t go into detail but that’s full of crap
Sorry, but it’s not crap. I work 20 minutes from his school. I’ve heard whispers from people highly involved in the Alumni Association that there are some potential red flags with Grimes and his family.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he’s not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven’t read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments…
I’m totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can’t go into details, but Grimes is the one I’d be most concerned with out of this class.
I can’t go into detail but that’s full of crap
Sorry, but it’s not crap. I work 20 minutes from his school. I’ve heard whispers from people highly involved in the Alumni Association that there are some potential red flags with Grimes and his family.
Awesome let’s report him now then…
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@BeddieKU23 Actually, if there are red flags it would be better to know now before he enrolls and gets into a car wreck…
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 Actually, if there are red flags it would be better to know now before he enrolls and gets into a car wreck…
We might as well call the fbi, at least get the ncaa involved. I mean why recruit players anymore
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There are potential red flags with anyone that plays on the major shoe circuit. Better just recruit nothing but Garretts I guess.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 So why can’t you go into detail? Or semi-detail? I mean, you’re anonymous here. I love inside info if we actually get info. If you heard “whispers” then others heard them too. You’re not breaching any confidences since you already opened the can.
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Ochai Agbaji is probably clean too.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 So why can’t you go into detail? Or semi-detail? I mean, you’re anonymous here. I love inside info if we actually get info. If you heard “whispers” then others heard them too. You’re not breaching any confidences since you already opened the can.
This.
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BShark said:
Ochai Agbaji is probably clean too.
Heard he got paid to come today.
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Well damn there goes that.
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mayjay said:
@cragarhawk Well, we gotta find something else to wonder and gripe about now, don’t we?
Well, that didn’t take long.
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Just curious, do you think Billy will even take the Charger with him to Europe?
All this for a car he will only drive for a couple months. Is Billy really the victim here? I think not. I think thr victims are his teammates whom he let down when he accepted a car that knew had to be shady. Could not someone in his family have said one simple word? No.
Good riddance. Go Silvio!!
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@wissox Would have been nice to have seen. NIT at the worse.
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@Gunman I agree. They played great the first part of the season, but had no motivation and lost steam mid-way through the season.
Our streak would be unbelievable without that break.
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Fightsongwriter said:
Just curious, do you think Billy will even take the Charger with him to Europe?
All this for a car he will only drive for a couple months. Is Billy really the victim here? I think not. I think thr victims are his teammates whom he let down when he accepted a car that knew had to be shady. Could not someone in his family have said one simple word? No.
Good riddance. Go Silvio!!
There has to be more than just the car.
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@Fightsongwriter Copy, paste
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Until I hear the whole story I reserve throwing him under the bus. I doubt we hear.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Until I hear the whole story I reserve throwing him under the bus. I doubt we hear.
Almost no chance the full truth comes out sadly.
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@HighEliteMajor It’s a booster trying to get in close with the family. That’s as much detail as I can give.
I can also tell you for a fact that even if high ranking alumns don’t post here, or at acknowledge they are, they do monitor all major KU sites, including this one.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I threw him under the Charger.
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Integrity - doing the right thing when no one is looking.
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@Fightsongwriter not much of that here
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And man…you think Shakur Juiston would be helping this team? Can’t help but wonder if he’d be a Jayhawk right now if Preston hadn’t been in the way of playing time.
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focojayhawk said:
And man…you think Shakur Juiston would be helping this team? Can’t help but wonder if he’d be a Jayhawk right now if Preston hadn’t been in the way of playing time.
He would help this team. Preston wasn’t the issue there. He was out of play once KU took the Lawsons.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@HighEliteMajor It’s a booster trying to get in close with the family. That’s as much detail as I can give.
I can also tell you for a fact that even if high ranking alumns don’t post here, or at acknowledge they are, they do monitor all major KU sites, including this one.
Here is the impression your post leaves: this situation is a powder keg that a bomb squad may have been working long and hard to try to defuse. And the danger has not yet passed.
Mums the word from me.
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I wanted juice bad! Quality kid, coachable kid, high motor, lots of dble dble’s. BUT he was just a juco player, not good enough
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@jaybate-1.0 KUAA is doing what they can to try and keep the person from screwing this up and there is a lot of frustration that the person in question isn’t quite grasping to magnitude of what he’s trying to do and the impact it could have.
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Here is more info from Self from LDJ both on why the process took so long, and on knowing about the Bosnia offer:
Kansas coach Bill Self, who confirmed Preston’s departure through a statement Saturday morning, said he had known about Preston’s opportunity to join BC Igokea in Bosnia for three weeks. But it was not until a text message at 7:18 a.m. that Self knew it was a done deal.
“Of course (we’re) disappointed,” said Self, officially classifying the matter as “an NCAA reinstatement matter” for the first time. “The disappointment comes from us not having a finality to it, (not) from (the NCAA) not making a decision. … Just to be real clear, so fans don’t think (certain) people are at fault; it took some time to get the information to them in a final package because if you get it to them and it’s incomplete, it drags on longer and longer. Then there were follow-up deals, ‘We have more questions, we have more things.’ And we thought we were getting close, real close. But I think the team in Bosnia put pressure on (his mother) Nicole (Player) and Billy.
“We had been told (by the NCAA), 'Hey, we don’t disagree with what you’re saying, we’re not saying we agree. But we are saying that we are not quite ready to make a final determination on it. I don’t blame anybody, to be honest with you. I just hate it. I hate it for him because he didn’t get to experience what college basketball’s all about. Hopefully he’ll go over there and kick butt and put himself in a position to be a higher draft pick because he went over there.”
http://m.kusports.com/news/2018/jan/20/notebook-jayhawks-say-it-was-tough-lose-freshman-b/
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The information concerns a student so no I do not think we are entitled to see anything. If it only concerned the university I would agree with you.
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This isn’t a surprise to me. The longer the process drug out, the more of a possibility this became, particularly because now that classes have started, drop deadlines to preserve his academic record (important for APR purposes) if he did leave were approaching. This lets him leave in good standing without KU taking a hit, provided his fall grades were solid.
As I have posted before, the NCAA acts as if they are the only option. With more international teams willing to sign US HS players, that isn’t the case, and with games streaming on the internet, its no longer the burden it was 15 years ago to evaluate a prospect in Europe or elsewhere.
I don’t think this starts a trend, but it is another option for kids. NCAA isn’t the only game in town for top prospects, so their eligibility process better speed up. Preston can simply withdraw his request and leave. Other kids could do the same - submit information, gauge interest and, if the NCAA doesn’t rule them eligible at the end of the fall semester, take the contract. That route would only be there for the top 20 or 30 prospects, but it would speed the entire process up for everyone.
Good luck to Billy Euro balling.
And if what @Texas-Hawk-10 says is true for Grimes, he certainly has the talent to get a Euro contract.
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Preston IS gone. Now coaches can stop working on the best systems using Billy. Several teammates can stop analyzing playing time with him around. Silvio is here. We have our pieces in place, let the master organize a final plan and put in operation imediately. GAME ON!
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@jaybate-1.0 KUAA is doing what they can to try and keep the person from screwing this up and there is a lot of frustration that the person in question isn’t quite grasping to magnitude of what he’s trying to do and the impact it could have.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Your comment is present tense. Are you talking about the Preston situation and there’s a smoking gun? Or is another player potentially jeopardized?
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Insightful big picture assessment. Thx.
My add: now modest competition for youth players from foreign pro teams could push recruiting and the amateurism issue in a lot of directions. I suspect the NBA and NCAA are staying in contact on this nascent drift toward overseas play for pay.
Frankly, the overseas teams in Europe east of the Eurals, and eventually Eurasia, as they link up the New Silk Road, the Shanghai Security Pact, transEurasian marketing infrastructure, and absorb elements of the EU, are increasingly going to have the gambling infrastructure, and betting and sports merchandize-buying populations necessary to achieve economies of scale that will dwarf the NBA’s, if it doesn’t expand there first.
It would be interesting to know how many of the NBA owners, or their business associates, are already buying in to the ground floor of Eurasian sports. It would seem a heckuva play.
Another awesome play would be for the sports, gaming and media entrepreneurs of Eurasia to donate massively to America D1 basketball programs. Target the universities by sending either their children to them to attend, or associates children, and then funnel a billion, or three, into a school like KU, or where ever. Take the athletic department to the next level, and do so to attract a pipeline of players to that university that can then be moved to Eurasian pro teams. American schools and American players are ripe for the picking right now. Hope I don’t live to see this, but seems like a plan.
