Recruiting Thread
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@Jayballer54 Looks like we could have a just so-so season ourselves. At least measured by KU standards. May be lucky to finish in the top four of the Big 12, unless the BIG help gets here fast. We are just totally outmanned and we will not hit 15 to 17 threes very often. One hope is for the balanced Big 12 to beat up on each other. But we can not lose at home again to have a chance at keeping the streak alive.
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Big Clyde52 said:
@Jayballer54 Looks like we could have a just so-so season ourselves. At least measured by KU standards. May be lucky to finish in the top four of the Big 12, unless the BIG help gets here fast. We are just totally outmanned and we will not hit 15 to 17 threes very often. One hope is for the balanced Big 12 to beat up on each other. But we can not lose at home again to have a chance at keeping the streak alive.
I know exactly what your talking about and agree. - -I think at this point anyways we are probably the or about the 4th best team in the Big 12. I’m not THAT sure that even having another big last night would of helped us or not. - - Our defense is just soooooooooooooooooo pathetic , I know there will be people here that say oh well if we would of had another big we wouldn’t haven’t got beat on the boards like we did. - - -the last time I heard/check SEVENTEEN offensive rebounds by Tech - -SEVENTEEN. and it’s not like these guys were bigger then us. The bottom line was - - -they wanted it more.
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Zion Williamson to announce his decision on January 20.
http://www.thestate.com/sports/high-school/prep-basketball/article192868409.html#storylink=hpdigest
Not really anything new in this article. A video not worth watching of a slo-mo dunk with talkover “Trust me. The best is yet to come” and “Jan 20” superimposed. Plus some info on his season so far (has not played since Nov 21 due to bruised foot).
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Hope he picks Clemson.
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@Kcmatt7 Clemson is at least ranked now, so it isn’t as silly a move as people were calling it last summer. But they did lose in the FB semifinal, so the campus is not as afire as it has been the past two years. And who knows what these guys think is important?
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@mayjay He looks real good going against pee-wees, not nearly as dominant against bigger and better athletes. IMO. I’ll probably end up taking that statement back, but I guess all the hype has me wondering if he is as good as they say. I wonder what he would be like in a program like ours that emphasizes team first. Hmmm…
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KUSTEVE said:
@mayjay He looks real good going against pee-wees, not nearly as dominant against bigger and better athletes. IMO. I’ll probably end up taking that statement back, but I guess all the hype has me wondering if he is as good as they say. I wonder what he would be like in a program like ours that emphasizes team first. Hmmm…
He’s dominated better competition as well. He was the best player at the Team USA camps in the fall which included Grimes and a bunch of other top ranked kids FYI. Watching his local HS competition isn’t going to give you the answer you were seeking IMO.
I have long thought he’d fit here, he’s not a selfish player. I think any team would be foolish not to run their offense through him because of his off the charts athleticism and physicality. We have all seen his crazy dunks but he’s got a ton of skill that gets overlooked. He doesn’t hunt bad shots, shoots a high % inside the arc, he knows his limits on the perimeter right now. Weight is a concern, you probably don’t want him playing at 270 as he could probably be lethal at the 245-250 range. Clemson is lucky he lives in the state.
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@BeddieKU23 If I am KU’s recruiter, I am calling him a bunch after our TT rebounding debacle this week with lots of information about how we will be bigger next year with otherworldly point guards coming in who can feed him. We do not want Zion believing he will be forced into trying to be another undersized post player here. “Really! We have lots of size lined up! Really!”
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I also thought signing Dotson would help us as well. That hasn’t had the momentum it once had
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@BeddieKU23 It could also hurt if anyone thinks Dotson could dupe Trae Young. Would OU have room this year for another OAD?
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I’d be stunned if it wasn’t Clemson.
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 It could also hurt if anyone thinks Dotson could dupe Trae Young. Would OU have room this year for another OAD?
What?
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@BShark Yeah, probably not clear.
Meant dupe=duplicate Trae’s crazy year
I.e., would there be any fear on Zion’s part that having Dotson would not allow Zion to reach his full potential.
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@mayjay noy by me, maybe Grimes, but Zion isn’t a primary ball handler. They would play together nicely. I think Langford fits better yet. The team as a whole looks too loaded to put up Trae like numbers next season.
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Dotson and Zion would actually complement each other nicely.
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mayjay said:
@BShark Yeah, probably not clear.
Meant dupe=duplicate Trae’s crazy year
I.e., would there be any fear on Zion’s part that having Dotson would not allow Zion to reach his full potential.
Oh, in that case I don’t think so. Dotson isn’t perceived to be OAD and isn’t in the same shooting stratosphere as Trae.
Dotson will be a very good player for KU though, no doubt.
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He any good? As in better then his current rank?
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first video i’m seeing good size and frame for a guard and a heck of an athlete. good form on his shot
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BeddieKU23 said:
He any good? As in better then his current rank?
Yes. Is he KU good remains to be seen, I will trust the staff’s evaluation on that. He has been crushing the local scene but that’s obviously a big fwiw. He’s definitely a top candidate for the DiRenna (best KC area hooper).
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When it’s an area like KC an award like that the talent of the winner varies heavily year to year. Generally it’s at least a D1 player, though I think the 2016 winner ended up at Central Missouri.
Edit: Some of the better recent past winners are Kevin Puryear, Semi Ojeleye, Alec Burks and Marcus Denmon.
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Thanks. So Norm watches to keep tabs on a localish player making some noise. I would assume an offer wouldn’t seem likely until we know the fall out in the spring
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BeddieKU23 said:
Thanks. So Norm watches to keep tabs on a localish player making some noise. I would assume an offer wouldn’t seem likely until we know the fall out in the spring
Yeah pretty much. I don’t know the kid but being a late riser with his interest exploding it makes sense that he would wait now. His best offer is CSU at this point, so he can probably do better. He could definitely end up in the Big 12.
I certainly can’t see him getting a committable offer from KU when Romeo is still on the table.
Always good to see back-up plans/kicking the tires. Even if the staff feels really confident about getting Romeo it’s better to have players scouted that are decent options compared to totally scrambling late.
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That was my thinking in regards to Romeo. It seems any recruit brought in will be a guard(s).
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@BeddieKU23 Correct. The staff definitely wants to add a guard. I can’t see a big being added at all, too stacked. Even going back to the 3-2, 6 bigs (if Doke is back) is a lot.
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Well for sure looks like Zion headed to Clemson - - -UK fans just you think is at the end of the world lol. - -Oh Cal has lost his touch - - these players finding out now they can go to other schools and still be lottery picks - -whats going on? - -why wouldn’t these guys want to come to UK ? - -we better hope we have a lot of players returning next year - lmao - it is panic time in UK according to the fans lol.
On the serious side – sure looks as if Zion is going to stay at home and go to Clemson. - must be a leak somewhere - -5 CB’S within the last 24 hours for him and Clemson including Meyer - - Daniels - -& Slater. -This doesn’t really shock me, I mean we had that little burst -that little rant about the possibility - -BUT I think we have a lot better shot with Romeo then we ever had with Zion - -all depends on Vick like so many have mentioned.
You know the way things are shaping up we may have more back then what I/we thought next year, which could prove very interesting considering room on the roster. - I’m thinking now there is a better chance for Doke to return, - - - a some what better chance for Vick to return , & then even the possibility although still feel slim but a chance BILLY could return - unlikely but you never know with the lack of playing time this year. - -The one for sure I STILL say no way he comes back is Newman - -is he NBA? - -hell no, but I just think if anything he will go over sea’s but not back here period. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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UK fans are stupid. Slater and others mentioned UK just wasn’t well positioned in this class. UK fans didn’t want to hear it. 2019 Cal will be back with an ultra stacked class though, then all will be right in Kentucky again.
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Also it really must be something to be a Kentucky fan at this point. They have a legit NBA stud (Keldon Johnson) a probably NBA PG (Quickley) and another pretty good top 40 guard and the sky is falling.
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BShark said:
UK fans are stupid. Slater and others mentioned UK just wasn’t well positioned in this class. UK fans didn’t want to hear it. 2019 Cal will be back with an ultra stacked class though, then all will be right in Kentucky again.
Ya I hear where your coming from about them. - It just tickles me to read from them - cause OMG how could any recruit EVER turn down UK if Cal recruited them.
They have a guy for them just like Scott off the shiver here, and they are all over his ass because now he has said he believes Zion will be going to Clemson lol - they said he just pumps them UK fans full of it all the time saying this recruit or that recruit is a lock for UK and then at the last minute he changes his pick lol.
They a screaming Cal has lost his touch - -his edge with losing out on so many big time recruits lately - -Williamson - - -Bol - - - can’t remember they named 3-4 others from recent.
So tell me guy - -how you think our roster is going to shape out NEXT year. - with the way things are shaping up - the way some are playing - -Is Vick back? - -Is Doke Back ? - -Is Preston back ? - -and if they do return - how we gonna fit them into the roster? - -You want a Senior Vick back - -OR a very talented Langford? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Jayballer54 I think Vick and Preston are gone, Doke could very well be back. I’d rather have a SR Vick than FR Langford.
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Preston is definitely gone. Losing basically half a season (maybe a whole one) due to the NCAA review sours guys on college hoops. You can look around college basketball. When guys aren’t cleared relatively quickly, they leave, either via transfer, or straight to the pros.
I think Azuibuke is back next year. Right now, he’s not ready to take on the role he would have in the NBA. Seven or eight years ago, he would absolutely be gone because he would be a lottery pick, but with the way the pro game is played now, he needs more refinement to be an effective two way player.
As for Vick, I think he has a chance to get drafted. He could certainly return, as he’s not necessarily a lottery pick, but I think he would make a team next year, and could be a rotation player on a good team by his second or third year, meaning he could be in line for a nice contract before his 25th birthday, or even a big extension prior to year 4.
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Preston has always been oad, imo.
I think with KU really wanting to add a guard/wing and even taking a look at local guys it says Vick is very likely gone.
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@BShark I don’t want any softness coming back. If you asked me a month ago, absolutely give me SR. Vick.
But not anymore. He is as soft as anyone. Svi has more steals per game than him. He is the most athletic player on the team and yet and average defender and a streaky offensive player that can’t create his own shot.
Bring on a new group. I watched Creighton the other night, and Mitchell Ballock would be getting time on this team just because he plays so damn tough.
This team is soft, move on from everyone we possibly can.
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@BShark Do you think the staff is confident about landing Romeo?
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BShark said:
Preston has always been oad, imo.
I think with KU really wanting to add a guard/wing and even taking a look at local guys it says Vick is very likely gone.
I for sure thought he was gone - and still think more of a chance he is then not, which in turn I feel leads us to a very legit chance with Romeo. - I try not to get ahead of myself as for as roster goes, wanting a really successful season this year - -BUT MAN - -and even more so if Doke comes back next year and then if we are fortunate enough to get Langford - -that roster would just be insane.KJ & Dedric Lawson - - McCormack - - De Sosua - - -Doke - - Lightfoot - - Cunliffe - - -then you would have - - Garrett - – Moore - - Dotson - - -Grimes - - & Langford -I mean JUMPIN - -GEE - -HOSSA - - FATS man - -that is just nuts lol – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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dylans said:
@BShark Do you think the staff is confident about landing Romeo?
I myself think the staff feels very confident in Romeo. - think it is for sure either us or Vandy. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I don’t want any softness coming back. If you asked me a month ago, absolutely give me SR. Vick.
But not anymore. He is as soft as anyone. Svi has more steals per game than him. He is the most athletic player on the team and yet and average defender and a streaky offensive player that can’t create his own shot.
Bring on a new group. I watched Creighton the other night, and Mitchell Ballock would be getting time on this team just because he plays so damn tough.
This team is soft, move on from everyone we possibly can.
I think some SR leadership would help. Having guys around that know Self’s system. He would definitely help next year’s team. I think he is gone anyway so it doesn’t matter.
Ballock was a tough miss. Kid wanted to play and just didn’t see it happening at KU early. I’m not sure he’d be seeing minutes. I guess it depends on who KU wouldn’t have added to the roster if Ballock was here instead.
Next year’s team should be tougher. The Lawsons, Dotson and Garrett are all very tough players with “want to”. McCormack is a battler too but I don’t think he plays a ton next season.
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@Jayballer54 Can Devonte’ take a redshirt now and play next year?!? That would put them over the top next season, (but would destroy this years team
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Jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
Preston has always been oad, imo.
I think with KU really wanting to add a guard/wing and even taking a look at local guys it says Vick is very likely gone.
I for sure thought he was gone - and still think more of a chance he is then not, which in turn I feel leads us to a very legit chance with Romeo. - I try not to get ahead of myself as for as roster goes, wanting a really successful season this year - -BUT MAN - -and even more so if Doke comes back next year and then if we are fortunate enough to get Langford - -that roster would just be insane.KJ & Dedric Lawson - - McCormack - - De Sosua - - -Doke - - Lightfoot - - Cunliffe - - -then you would have - - Garrett - – Moore - - Dotson - - -Grimes - - & Langford -I mean JUMPIN - -GEE - -HOSSA - - FATS man - -that is just nuts lol – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I’d put Cunliffe in with the guards but yeah, VERY GOOD roster.
@dylans Seems like the staff is currently feeling good about Romeo, though if we start seeing KU scouting a bunch more guards/wings you’d have to say probably not. Adding one more guard/wing makes a lot of sense especially if the staff believes Vick and Newman are gone, it would require a guard in addition to Romeo to fill the roster. What we saw with Dotson and Grimes was very high confidence. The staff just let legit very good D1 players like Ayo and Carey go w/o a fight and things never really got serious with lower tier guards like Noah Locke and Montez Mathis.
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dylans said:
@Jayballer54 Can Devonte’ take a redshirt now and play next year?!? That would put them over the top next season, (but would destroy this years team
).LOL, no don’t think that can happen seeing as how Devonte is a Senior and we are way to deep into the season for that to be a possibility even if it could. Devonte finishing out his career, we are going to be a really strong team next year for sure even without Devonte. - -I think people going to really like Devon Dotson, the kid is really quick and he loves to drive the ball. - Now is that because his outside shot needs a little work? - - possibly but he does love to attack the rim - -kind of like Frank. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Ok so here is a question and ya, It’s probably some what of a question on my part mainly out of frustration on my part but yet probably some others might be thinking the same.
With the issues we have seem to have been running into these past couple of years , with a few players , Such as being able to get De -Sousa cleared for this reason , that reason - -With Billy and a some what questionable background or whatever - then what we ended up with Cliff - -the things that we went through with Diallo.
The question becomes guys , do we dare change our recruiting analogy ? - our recruiting tactics? - Do we start to trend away from questionable players - -Foreign players ? - -questionable background players? - -even thought these might be higher profile /ranked players ? - - Do we start to focus more on the maybe not quite as highly ranked but yet very solid off the court as well as on the court type player? - -OR do we continue to attack the higher elite the OAD’S and take our chances?
Do we feel less confident about the over all scheme of a season with a little lower player, do we feel like our season and our chances would be less if we took it a notch lower . - Seems like our chances would still be pretty good with maybe still very good very solid players. - -I mean I don’t think your going t hear to many complain about maybe A LITTLE less ranked player the type of such as Grimes - -Dotson - - Mc Cormack and others - -haven’t heard about any issues with these guys - -Look how things turned out with a un known Frank Mason - -Devonte Graham - -hell even Vick. - -Do we maybe focus MORE on players such as this, then the if it comes about say you have an option - a top 5 elite OAD with a questionable background for one reason or another - -OR a player a little lower but still very very good and highly recruited with no questions -one or the other. Which way do you go?
I don’t know. just getting a little tiresome , just don’t really see a lot of other schools having as many issues as what it seems like we have ran into these last couple of yeas. - Do we need to step back and re evaluate our approach - I’m not saying concrete one way or another just curious that’s all. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I think Vick is back. Just don’t see him as a first rounder right now, but will be the go to guy on the perimeter as a senior. Also keep in mind he’s not an older guy, he’s not even 21 yet. Not like he’ll be a 24 year old rookie if he stays all 4 years. Same with Doke. He just turned 18 this fall. No rush to bolt now when he’s got very obvious weaknesses that will only get more exposed in the NBA (e.g. rebounding, shot blocking, shooting).
For my money, I’d rather take a transfer this offseason that an unknown. We don’t need anymore depth next season, and some experience would be nice in 19-20. Assuming a worthy candidate is on the market, of course.
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@BShark I’m not sure I want Vick to be the leader of a team. That’s what worries me the most.
Teams take on a personality. Vick doesn’t have a winning personality.
Give me a guy in Langford who can get to, and finish, at the rim.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I’m not sure I want Vick to be the leader of a team. That’s what worries me the most.
Teams take on a personality. Vick doesn’t have a winning personality.
Give me a guy in Langford who can get to, and finish, at the rim.
Well, you don’t want Romeo’s personality either. Though with him being a FR he wouldn’t be a team leader, he could just be one of the guys which I think is best for him.
Dotson is definitely leader material, it will be interesting to see how next year’s team shapes up from that perspective.
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One bad game doesn’t change Vick’s stock. He’s had six 20+ games already, he’s rebounded and gotten teammates involved at a higher rate then he’s ever. The Tech game was a really bad taste. He simply failed to impact the game in any category. He’ll have to put that game well behind him.
So some mock’s have Vick in the late 1st, worst case scenario is he’s probably an early 2nd type? He’s never going to be a lotto pick unless he took the Mason jump as a Sr so coming back is really about just solidifying 1st round status for him. Still a ton of ball left for him to figure out where he stands.
Doke should be back. But the thoughts roaming in my head keep saying he’s going to leave regardless
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@BeddieKU23 I don’t see Vick going before pick 40 this year. It’s a really strong draft. The 2019 draft is a lot weaker since the 2018 class is much weaker. As far as leadership, it’s going to be a little lacking next season no matter what. Langford would just be another guy. He’s an introverted, quiet kid.
Doke isn’t even on draft boards yet. Not sure he does anything but the D League if he leaves.
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No way do i see Vick going pro this year. I don’t think he thinks he’s ready.
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I’d rather have no leadership and let the role be up for grabs than I would want someone who is clearly not an Alpha take on the role just because he is a Senior.
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Maybe he is a 2nd round type this year. If that’s the case I’m sure he’ll return. I just think projecting him back right now is premature when there is over 20+ games left for him to figure it out. He’s not as limited as Svi & Graham will be going into the draft who are clearly not 1st round caliber picks. Vick has upside because of his age, his athleticism, his improved shooting, rebounding, assists etc. What would probably separate him from coming back is taking on an Alpha role and not disappearing from games like he did this week. Overall I think he still has the best chance to be a 1st rounder on the roster at the moment.
Doke has his weaknesses, he should return. I just can’t get away from what he said when he signed that he wanted to be a 2 year player. Whether that changed when he got injured is the big question. I think it was Self that said he wouldn’t leave after this year unless he had a 1st round guarantee which seems very unlikely. We’ll see, it would be great to hold onto him for another year and have that depth again
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@BeddieKU23 Doke is emotionally young too! Maybe him and Silvio will hit it off. He seems a lil detached from the others.
