Dok's back...
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…really, his back. What’s the latest on it? Forgive me if I get skittish with the health of big African guys who wear Jayhawk unis.
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Self said he tweaked it and it was a game time decision. I sure hope he recovers quickly and heals - definitely don’t want a repeat of Joel’s injury.
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And then the super awkward fall when he went over the, eh hem, back. He was grabbing it after that just like Embid. Not good at all.
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Joel hurt his back because he was compensating for his knee injury, and returned from that injury too quickly. His fall was not the cause of his back issue. A stress fracture does not occur due to a traumatic incident.
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I tell you what, folks, we lose Doke for the long haul and we might as well start thinking about next season…as well as the end of The Streak. Bamba was quite impressive yesterday, but Doke also recorded some huge numbers. If he was entering that game with a “tweaked” back, there is cause for concern, esp. after he took the big fall. Doke is progressing nicely.
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@REHawk Ice and superman exercises.
@HighEliteMajor I did not say the injuries were the same, I said he was grabbing at it in the same manor and it reminded me of that moment when the sheer terror of loosing Jojo came crashing down on me like 2 tomahawks with a patriot chaser.
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Ya scary thought. - - -Jo Jo - -back that has followed him to the NBA. - -Doke back? - -I don’t care how he done it - -I don’t care if it is similar or not, - -speaking from a guy that’s had all kinds of back issues myself keeping fingers crossed that this doesn’t linger or get worse.
We lose Doke - - -were screwed. - - Had to laugh from a post off another site. Guys says - - poor Doke -couldn’t do anything against Bamba mobility/agility - -while I agree he had shots blocked but I tell you what I was impressed with Doke. - -I mean you saying 13 points and 13 rebounds is a struggle? - -that’s a pretty nice game if you ask me, thought Doke held his own just fine. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I think Dok figured out late to go into Bamba and not try to go over him. The contact greatly favors Dok and he started drawing fouls. You could also tell Bamba wasn’t used to playing that many minutes - he was less effective late. Our guys, well our guys are used to those minutes and more.
Bamba is a stud though; a major NBA talent. I’d hate to have to battle Texas without Dok!
The next personal matchup I’m most looking forward to is Devonte’ vs. Young. That should be fun as it gets as long as both guys (and teams) play well.
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@Fightsongwriter Correct, you did not. I was incorrect for implying it, posting right after yours – there were other posts before yours that also led to my post. Interestingly, I heard that Doke had soreness before the game, and was actually a game time decision. So, oddly, it could be a stress fracture that is causing Doke’s pain; and, oddly, could be the exact same thing as Joel. A stress fracture that was aggravated by a traumatic incident. Please no.
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Kinda scary with our issues in the past with Joel’s back, Malik has a ankle issue that we have also seen hang around. Just have to hope for the best.
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@HighEliteMajor Hopefully not. Self says they think it’s just a muscle issue. Self doesn’t usually lie about this stuff, I don’t think anyway.
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@REHawk Yea, love the clean “blocks” all by Bamba. The stupid refs allowed at least one goal tend. I definitely know that last drive by Svi was a goal tend. I think the refs allowed Shaka Stupid to influence their calls, and they allowed the obnoxious Steer crowd to swallow their whistles. The UT players mauled our guys pretty much the entire game. The only right call was the “T” on the Lil bald Beeotch. Higgins should’ve gave him a second too, but was hesitant with the ridiculous UT Steers.
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@Fightsongwriter I’m no official and not too sure about the ruling of that call, but I didn’t think you could ‘block out’ by walking your man back. I know you can turn and block, but to walk your man especially when he’s in the air, makes me think that should have been a foul on Davis. He created a very dangerous situation by taking Dok’s legs out from underneath him. Dok was already in the air when Davis was backing him out. There’s a difference in blocking out and backing your man out.
I’d like to hear the official ruling on blocking and backing a man out of the lane. I’m not saying Dok did the right thing either, but I don’t think you can unilaterally turn and start backing up to an opponent in the attempt to ‘box out.’ I think some coaches may teach this wrong to players. I love this video and think it’s the closest to a good fundamental block out. I’ve seen guys turn and walk under opponents only for the ‘block out’ to be called for a foul. You have to establish position. Davis did not establish position. He turned immediately after the shot, and started walking backwards, under Dok.
I do think Dok has got to learn how to better respond to rebounds when he is 5-10’ from the rim. But I still don’t think it was a foul on Dok, but rather a foul on Davis for not establishing clear position, and he took Dok’s feet out from underneath him. I think it’s the same principle foul to a dunk. You can’t take a guys legs from underneath or undercut him in the air. For what’s it’s worth, I played bball for a long time and even some college. And yes, I do know how to rebound, but sometimes it’s easy to forget those fundamental details of bball.
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Embiid has not had any back issues in the NBA that I know. He had a broken foot that did not heal properly and was reinjured and then a torn meniscus on his left knee.
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@JayHawkFanToo that’s what’s wrong w/him now
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@truehawk93 It was proper call. Watched in slo mo. Dok went over him.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Embiid has not had any back issues in the NBA that I know. He had a broken foot that did not heal properly and was reinjured and then a torn meniscus on his left knee.
No he is having back issues right now - -I was watching their game the other night and they was talking about his back and the treatment he was getting on it. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Can we stop complaining about the officiating? KU got away with just as much, if not more than Texas did. I was in the arena, had decent seats, and for KU to not have anybody in serious foul trouble all night should speak to how much the refs were swallowing their whistles last night which is surprising considering Higgins reputation.
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Doke jumped and the guy backed into him to box him out. I fail to see how doke isn’t eligible to the same space
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BeddieKU23 said:
Doke jumped and the guy backed into him to box him out. I fail to see how doke isn’t eligible to the same space
Yeah, they got that one wrong. I was yelling at the tv again…They also missed a blatant foul by Garrett on Dylan O. down the stretch. I didn’t think they called a very good game either way.
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I thought there were a few bad calls, but I didn’t really stay too focused on the refs, which I think is how games should be called, when you don’t notice them.
Bilas said some nice things about Kansas and Self. But he always finds ways to rub me wrong. He slipped in a slam on Devonte that was totally uncalled for. It happened when Devonte had his pass stolen and he said something about him always making soft passes. Rubbish.
Also, I didn’t like his comment about the ref following Shaka back to his bench while conversing. He wasn’t trying to fight with Shaka, but he obviously had something to communicate and if officials aren’t allowed to communicate to teams and coaches, who the hell is? Bilas really went off on him, making statements that were just flat wrong.
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@BeddieKU23 Nope. Just watched it again. Doke fouled him twice. First he tried to grab him and shove him out of them way. Then the Tx guy made a good box out and Dok jumped over the top of him while their guy held position. He only fell back when Dok went over the top of him (dok’s weight crushed him back). My wife walked in and saw it and said Dok totally fouled that guy. Watch our bench. Zero reaction to the call. Go watch tape.
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@dylans Doke jumped and reached over the guy, landed on him on his way down. That was definitely an over the back on Doke. Refs were actually pretty good on the over the back calls last night. Doke grabbed a couple of rebounds over smaller players and last night without getting whistled which is unusual.
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@Fightsongwriter Doke for sure fouled him when he went over his back and they went tumbling to the floor. - - The guy had great inside rebound position had Doke boxed out - -Doke tried to just reach up over him. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@JayHawkFanToo https://www.si.com/nba/2017/12/27/76ers-joel-embiid-active-status-health-brett-brown-ben-simmons
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Texas shot 14 FT in the second half alone, KU shot 15 the entire game. Svi had 4 fouls which to me is being in serious foul trouble. Just sayin’…
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@JayHawkFanToo Svi picked up his 4th pretty late in the game and not at a point where Self had to sub him. Most of their FT’s also did not come as a result of them being in the bonus. They were fouls at the rim.
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Wasn’t the same for KU? I don’t believe KU even got in the bonus until very late in the game when Texas started to foul to stop the clock, I believe with 22 seconds left?
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Texas shot 14 FT in the second half alone, KU shot 15 the entire game. Svi had 4 fouls which to me is being in serious foul trouble. Just sayin’…
I think this is a lack of driving the ball problem more so than a referee problem. I wasn’t impressed down the stretch when Texas started getting touch fouls and KU nothing, but you just play through that junk and they did.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I guess I should rewatch the foul on Dok. If Dok leaned forward over the other guy it’s a foul. If Dok went straight up he has he right to come straight down, so if the guy backed under him when he was coming straight down (not jumping forward at all) it should be a fouls on the person boxing out. As it is it’s was called a foul and so that’s what it was, without re-watching I will say I was wrong in the heat of the moment. I will say there were a ton of reaching fouls not called on either team. It was a very loosely officiated game. If there was any bad blood it would’ve come to blows.
When did the NCAA stop giving automatic flagrant fouls for hitting a player in the head? Devonte’ has had his clock cleaned a couple times this season with not so much as a peak at the monitor. I don’t think they were malicious, but they used to draw a foul none the less.
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@JayHawkFanToo Guess what happens when you don’t drive the ball to the basket?
You don’t draw fouls. This team is comprised of jump shooters and when Azubuike gets it down low, teams aren’t fouling him because he can finish through contact.
It’s not really a secret to anyone but you apparently that this team’s style of play doesn’t draw many fouls.
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…and it is apparent to all but you that you don’t draw fouls only when driving to the basket. KU players were frequently bumped on the outside, something the NCAA says you cannot do any more with nary a foul being called…but then, apparently you know better.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Done. Good idea. I’m ready for TT.
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@drgnslayr I too thought Bilas got on his high horse over the ref.
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@Gunman I agree, sounded like he wanted an explanation but walked off while Higgins was explaining.
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Bilas has his own agenda that he has been pushing for a while. He was a much better analyst before he let it get in the way.
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@Gunman I have heard almost every commentator criticize refs for following a coach or player while yelling at him when the guy is walking away. Here, though, it was weird because Shaka went a ways down the court to confront him in the first place. I thought Bilas would have been right on if Higgins had initiated the confrontation, but since Shaka did, he has to accept the logical aftermath.
But it might be different in my mind if I knew whether my theory is correct that Shaka got charged with a timeout when he didn’t call one.
Bottom line: the incident left all of them looking bad: the coach, the ref, and the announcers for not finding out what happened.
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@mayjay Announcers these days have very little time to find out what is actually going on. They are so busy blathering on about how smart they are and building their brand.
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@mayjay I think it may have stemmed from the early game warning of being out of the coaching box. With all our technology why do we waste time on warnings and finally technicals on leaving the coaches area. Just put an ankle bracelet on that zaps them when they violate. It would be a mild one on sidelines violation and major zap (similar to tasers) when coming on the court.
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@Gunman Great food for thought! I am thinking the technology would also be wildly popular with coaches and fans if used a bit differently: perhaps the refs could get zapped when replay shows a blown call. Pitchers or batters, when they complain about the ump’s call when replay confirms it… And Bill Walton, when he takes his shirt off or does something else to disturb, say, 50 % of the audience, all of whom have buzzers…
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@Gunman Or sell zapping rights to key donors. They could buzz the AD or coach when deemed appropriate (not HCBS of course…but SZ???)
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That is a rather treacherous idea. I like it! lol
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Also, very spiteful… Bravo! lol
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LOL. SZ would be a lump of coal by now.
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@JayHawkFanToo by you alone!
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Shock collar karaoke was hilarious when they did that on 98.9 back in the 90s. They’d just be happily, horribly singing along to some tune, then zap! No more singing.
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I would wear out my trigger finger in the first 5 minutes…
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Newman and Doke didn’t practice Sunday I believe. Injuries must be more then just wear and tear. At this point though if a rest day helps then it’s a no-brainer.
We have to tread carefully with this Doke injury and pray its temporary. It sounds like he fought through a lot of pain just to play Friday.
You have to wonder if the Newman injury is an old one. We knew he dealt with something at Miss St. It didn’t seem that noticeable in the game that he was hurt but reports of pre-game was he was limping around…
