Texas Tech Red Raiders
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@JayHawkFanToo Yes, the refs made a lot of bad calls against KU, but even in the best case scenario, it would still likely be 28-14 Tech.
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Glad to see schadler back in there!
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Isu beating ou?
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Super sad
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Mercy!
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Stanley isnāt any better than Bender itās ether under throw or over thrown choose which.
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@Crimsonorblue22 very sad, this has been a frustrating game. If our 3rd and 4th year guys could just make simple easy plays that most can in middle school like catching the ball and or refs that arenāt drunk weād be in this game.
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Oklahoma just got beat bye a 3rd string QB and we canāt even find a guy that looks like heās played the game before.
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@kjayhawks makes you think it isnāt the QB thatās the issueā¦ No talent surrounding Bender. No Defense. Most drives have to go 75 yards. So our QB has to throw in a tight window and run 10-12 plays in order to get us a score almost every single time. We have to get a legit stud at either the RB or WR position. AND we have to beef up our O-Line so that we can give that stud room to run or time to get open.
Combine that with asking an average at best QB to be effective throwing the ball 30+ times is a recipe for disaster. This āAir Raidā really needs to turn into an option offense. Think Oregon instead of TCU. Tons of motions, jet sweeps, misdirection and PA passes. Especially while we only have small quick WRs and no real down field threat.
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@Kcmatt7 QB isnāt all the problem for sure. Cozart looked like an average QB against a terrible team for Boise State, who has a much better all around team. Our WRs canāt catch most the time anyway but some of these throws that are off by several yards and the QB has time idk who else you blame. Now the question becomes does the KU basketball team hold the TT team to less than the 65 let up today lol.
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Even our senior punter sucks 37 yards per punt average on 7 kicks. SMH no silver lining in this one today, just terrible team with terrible coaching being terrible.
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Kingsbury now has as many wins in memorial stadium as Beaty and heās only in his fifth year.
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That was painful, and Iām not just talking about the sunburn on one side of my body.
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7 official reviews in the first quarter alone. Total BS. Why even have refs on the field at all if they are that useless.
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Donāt even know where to begin. - Ok letās start here you have fourth and one - - -and then forth and less then one - two separate occasions - and you have an O-Line that canāt get ANY kind of push off the line? You give any team a half a field to have to go for a score - -that spells disaster. Ok next this is just ONE of TT possessions that ended in a TD - -and then Brad Baldinger mention this about questioning the call of the Defense what the hell are you doing blitzing both outside line backers from the corners - -result - another TT - TD.
Our D-Line which was suppose to be one of the best in the Big 12 - suppose to be a strength? - - -for 3/4 or at least 1/2 the game was a joke - -& has been a joke. -they did finally get a little pressure sprinkled through out the game from the 2nd quarter on- - Armstrong/Wise. - - Our secondary canāt cover a cold. - BUT we knew that was going to be a weakness.
The QB position? - -Damn you can bullshit people to your blue in the face - -not me. - -Stanley may note be the QB but - -Peyton Bender SURE the hell is not. - -Bender is like a model of standing concrete - has no mobility what so ever it is pathetic. - -8 interceptions already - -Iāve said this before -and Iāll say it again , Peyton Bender is an interception looking for a place to happen. - - this guy only completing they said like 56 % of his passes - -a lot of them not even close. - -example you say? - -Ben Johnson wide open in the end zone easy completion TD - -whatās Bender do misses by plenty, - -you talk about receivers catching passes well they got to be reasonable - A lot of benders passes are really ugly. - His decision making is terrible.
Carter Stanley -again maybe not the answer but the ONE thing he at least does have - - -mobility. -The one INT of his - ā not his fault at all. - -He completed the pass , Herell just got the ball ripped out after the completionā¦ - -Stanley by far was NOT any worse then Bender for sure.
We donāt like either one of these guys , - -then we have to go to the next man up. - -Starks. - -AGAIN all heard when he came in was Beaty talking about THIS was the type of QB he wanted a dual option QB for sure - -a pure dual option QB - -no - -nothing. We aināt going anywhere anyways - -neither of the other 2 QBāS gettin it done -give Starks his shot.
Right now this football team is a joke - if possible I actually think we have taken a step backwards. - -This defense - -is just WOW. , At this point if a team is struggling - all you have to do is play KU have career days plain and simple.
The thing is - -you know it - -I know it your going to start to hear ALOT of pressure about changing coaches - - -AGAIN - -thatās not the answer , you canāt keep doing that, youāll NEVER get anything accomplished - -no rythmm - no consistency nothing. - -but itās gonna happen. Another tough spot is - your not going to get any kind of decent players wanting to come to a program such as this right now - -these players donāt want to walk into this. - -Iām telling you - -look out we are going to lose more commits for the coming yeat yet - -especially the two studs out of Louisiana - -other schools gonna be all over them like white on rice. - -Asking like WHY would you wanna go play for something like that - -I can already hear it - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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DanR said:
That was painful, and Iām not just talking about the sunburn on one side of my body.
Your right my friend - -they are really painful to watch - -just down right ugly. - I am one that is not in favor of change every three yrs or so - -but I think at least I hate to say but I think Clint needs to go - most of the defensive Coaches need to go. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Didnāt watch the game today. Watched ISU OU mainly instead. Felt good. Recommend it.
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If KU can show more fight and smart football I will watch more again, But as of right now itās boring and predictable in a bad way.
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@DanR how long did you stay?
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Bless anyone that went to the game. I donāt have it in me.
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@Crimsonorblue22 left about halfway through the 4th quarter. Figured four hours was enough.
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This preseason I was the most excited about the team as I have been since the Mangino glory years. The team was supposed to have decent players and experience, someone even said one of the better defenses in the conference. Now, I am even more disappointed than I was excited; it sure looks like the teams has regressed and we are back to being rolled at home. I just donāt see any games that will even be closeā¦maybe Baylor?..rightā¦
The only consolation we have is that basketball is right around the corner and it does not disappoint.
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@DanR watching the post game, 2 defensive guys, Neal did not suit up, donāt know why and h. Defense has mono. 2 starters.
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@JayHawkFanToo I think the Big XII is actually up this year though. Kingsburyās job eas on the line so he upped his game. TCU is significantly better. ISU is way better than anyone thought. Texas is strides better (favored over KSU this week). The conference as a whole is significantly better so I think we might be progressing, it is just hard to see when the entire conference is also doing the same.
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@Kcmatt7 so hard for me to see improvement in the D.
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@BShark That was a terrible game for the Big 12. OU just got eliminated from the College Football Playoff with that loss and now TCU is the Big 12ās lone hope for a playoff berth. The other 4 P5 leagues all still have multiple teams in contention.
The ACC still has Clemson, Miami, and possibly NC State that can reach the CFP
The Big 10 still has Penn St., Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio St. in the hunt.
The Pac 12 still has USC, Utah, Washington, and Washington St. in the hunt.
The SEC still has Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida in contention.
The Big 12 has TCU and thatās it.
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@Crimsonorblue22 We expected the D to be worse, right? Lost a ton in the Defensive Backfield.
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@DanR I admire your courage buddy
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DanR said:
7 official reviews in the first quarter alone. Total BS. Why even have refs on the field at all if they are that useless.
You know, these games would be shorter and the lopsided outcome the same, if opposing coaches would just concede every review to KUās favor. Why bother?
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@Kcmatt7 Most people expected the defense to be about the same because of the DLine re turning in tact and having 2 of the best in the league in Armstrong and Wise.
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@BShark shoot I went to the Central Michigan game. A game most thought we could win and saw a mac team cream us by 30. I figured today was a double digit loss. Honestly if i lived closer Iād go to most home games because stub hub has tickets for $10.
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@mayjay Yeah, I donāt get the challenges on first downs when youāre up 21-0 eight minutes into the first quarter. I think until the 4th quarter they should give the replay folks about 30 seconds to review. 1) if you donāt have a good camera angle, go back to the field call. 2) If itās not blatantly different than the field call, then move on. Later, in a close game, scrutinize it more. Football is not really a game of inches.
Some of those breaks were 5+ minutes. Three out of five plays at one point. There was a so-called fumble challenge that everyone in the stadium could see he was down and practically running back to the huddle before the ball was loose, and that one took forever because I assume they had crappy camera angles on it. Totally nuts. I think that was finally the one that went in KUās favorāthe 6th challenge out of 6.
If I was watching on TV at home I could be painting the house or knitting a sweater or something at the same time, but sitting in the stands it was just boring as hell.
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@DanR agreed and why then late challenge on the backwards pass in a 30+ point game in the 4th?
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At least I donāt have to hear
From ksu fans Monday!
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark That was a terrible game for the Big 12. OU just got eliminated from the College Football Playoff with that loss and now TCU is the Big 12ās lone hope for a playoff berth. The other 4 P5 leagues all still have multiple teams in contention.
The ACC still has Clemson, Miami, and possibly NC State that can reach the CFP
The Big 10 still has Penn St., Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio St. in the hunt.
The Pac 12 still has USC, Utah, Washington, and Washington St. in the hunt.
The SEC still has Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, and Florida in contention.
The Big 12 has TCU and thatās it.
Naaaah.
NC State, Florida, Auburn, Utah and Miami are not making it, nor do they have a realistic chance. Really Florida just absolutely no way. Already on 2 losses and if you think they can beat Bama in the SEC title game (provided they could even get there) I donāt know what to tell you.
Donāt think many of the others listed have super great odds either but I would say they have kind of a shot.
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark shoot I went to the Central Michigan game. A game most thought we could win and saw a mac team cream us by 30. I figured today was a double digit loss. Honestly if i lived closer Iād go to most home games because stub hub has tickets for $10.
Honestly Iād rather watch multiple games from the comfort of my couch.
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@BShark That was posted middle of the day before quite a few games ended, including Florida.
Just because I listed a team, doesnāt mean I think they get there, just that they still have/had a shot based on todayās games. I would also now bump Michigan down quite a bit after their loss to MSU tonight. Utah also looks like they might be in trouble against Stanford at halftime.
I think the conference champs from the other 4 P5 leagues make the playoff and possibly 2 SEC teams if thereās a major upset in a conference title game.
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Fair enough, ISU beating OU on the road proves it. However, shouldnāt KU at least keep up with the conference overall improvement? The only program that is in similar dire straights is Baylor which fell from grace because of off-the-field issues. Yesterday was embarrassing and most of the fans were gone well before the game was over, which for all practical purposes was half way through the first quarter. We are now back to being mauled at home by 40+ points by a middle of the pack conference teamā¦and I would think the coachās job is pretty much on the line and I just donāt see a game left where KU will be competitive let alone win.
Thereās is huge amount of money planning to be spent in renovating the stadium which will look even emptier if the team does not improve. I understand that in a way is a chicken/egg thing about facilities and program progress but I rather have the current stadium sold out and a winning program like in the Mangino years than a one third full, state of the art stadium and a mediocre program. AFH is over 60 years old and has had only minor improvements, mostly to install up to date electronics but the bulk of the facility is still the same with bleacher seating (what other elite program arena has this?) and still sells out every game because the basketball program delivers a quality product.
Most of my post is not a direct response to your post and it just venting frustration on the current status of the football program with no visible light at the end of the tunnel.
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Stadium has to be improved!
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@Crimsonorblue22 who rather see an improvement on the field. MM won when the stadium was much worse.
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@kjayhawks KU made significant improvements to the facilities early on during Manginoās tenure that helped his recruiting. Anderson Family Football complex being the most significant of those improvements at that time.
Improving the stadium has to be the absolute top priority for KU Athletics and preparing for a probable move to the B10 after the Grant of Rights expires at the end of the current TV deal. Even more than the on field product, positioning for realignment has to be the #1 priority and imlroving the stadium will help significantly to build the infrastructure of the program which will increase the odds of on field success.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 negative ghost rider, the Anderson family football complex opened in 2008 a long with the new practice fields. We won a flipping orange bowl with a worse looking stadium, the place looks better with out the track, new fence and a muilti million dollar locker rooms. No ones coming to lose in a fancy stadium. We need coaches that can improve players that have been in the program for 3-4 years something Beaty and this group have failed very very badly at.
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We had to bus kids to kc 'cause of our poor indoor facilities-injuries! Updated facilities will only help recruiting. We have a dump!
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@Crimsonorblue22 when?? It all doesnāt matter as long as Beaty is here.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
preparing for a probable move to the B10 after the Grant of Rights expires at the end of the current TV deal
Unless something dramatically changes, Iām not all that sure how āprobableā that is!
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@kjayhawks this year when the weather was bad
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@kjayhawks All that stuff began prior to the Orange Bowl season. KU tried to raise funds to add on to the east side of the stadium after the Orange Bowl and didnāt come close to raising the $25 million or so that project was supposed to cost.
Phil Knight didnāt wait for Oregon to have a winning program before pouring millions into the program, he just started giving them money to upgrade everything. Same with Pickens at OSU, the winning came AFTER the investment into the program.
If the administration waits for KU to find a coach to turn the program around before investing into the infrastructure of the program, weāll all be pushing daisies before that happens. Post WWII, KU has had 4 great seasons, the 3 OB teams and the 1995 team.
We cannot expect to be able to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. KU has to improve their stadium to not only hope to attract a quality coach, but to also keep a quality coach when/if they find one. The 3 best coaches KU has had in the past 50 years either left for another program (Pepper Rogers and Glen Mason) or were actively seeking another job (Mangino). Having competitive facilities will not only increase the likelihood of landing a better quality coach, but also of keeping said coach.
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@ICTJayhawk Big 10 wants to get the B10 Network into KC and has been interested in KU for a long time. When the Big 10 expanded in the early 90ās with Penn St., KU and Missouri were both very legitimate options at the time and had invitations, but both schools declined and chose to remain in the Big 8 and move with the rest of the league members into the Big 12.
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@kjayhawks If you legitimately think KU needs to wait for the right coach before rebuilding the stadium, you need to ask yourself this question.
If the best candidate KU can hire in the current situation is a guy who flamed out at Notre Dame and a guy who was a position coach, why should we expect another AD to find anyone any better? What incentive is there currently for a quality coaching prospect to come to KU?
A newly renovated state of the art stadium is a much better recruiting pitch than to have kids come play In the concrete mausoleum that is Memorial Stadium.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 still not what you said. That upgrade wasnāt early in MMs tenure. Baylors stadium sucked during their turnaround as did KSUs, TCUs and dukes according to a buddy that lives in Carolina and went to the KU Duke game a few years back has the worst stadium heās ever seen (including memorial in the 90s). Duke wins 6 or 7 games most years. Letās stop making excuses we will suck til someone with a brain runs our program and athletic department.
