Ok so lets see if new recruiting thread
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HighEliteMajor said:
So, if Robinson is as good as many say – if we sign him and he sits a year – why would he hang around for 2018-19?
Pretty much what I’ve been saying. The Robinson situation scares me. He’s a OAD that has made his situation difficult now to achieve that.
There is nothing stopping him from saying what he needs to say to Self, training for the year with the team and then hitting the draft once the season comes around and he starts feeling that he belongs there as well.
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justanotherfan said:
Some quick hits…
Robinson-Earl is very explosive and has been adding muscle. If he stays on this trajectory, he’s a top 25 player in his class IMHO.
Dotson, I like him because he’s comfortable finishing with either hand, even in traffic. Not many guards are really comfortable with that.
I am high on Williams’ athleticism, but not his overall skills. His shot isn’t as clean as I would like. He could contribute immediately defensively and on the glass, but I don’t know how effective he will be offensively out of the box.
Mitchell Robinson is good at basketball. He is impossibly skilled for his size. He’s a better shooter than Anthony Davis was at the same point, but probably not quite the athlete. Still, college players have very little chance of matching up with him on a nightly basis.
Robinson-Earl just looks like a Perry Ellis clone. Great footwork, dominates in the paint and as you said has become a much more explosive athlete as he’s maturing and getting older. Will be a great addition to the KU team in 19.
Williams has been developing that shot. In the spring he shot something like 15-23 from 3 in an tournament. At his size you do want him to continue to work on it but how much will he really need to work on it with all the other things he does. Elite motor, elite athletic ability, he dunked on Bagley this summer with authority. He has this nasty edge to him that you don’t find in many players at this stage. He can switch defensively and guard wings or body up bigs that are taller then him. Going to be a tough pull from Nike and his handler but whoever gets him is getting a really good player.
Agree about Robinson. Big ceiling, his situation is scary though
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Matt Scott accurately describes Emmitt Williams.
Think about Jamari Traylor. Now multiply that by 100 and you have Emmitt. I can’t describe to you what a freak he is. You have to see it in person.
In the video - he goes up for a block, recovers, and then blocks Jontay Porter’s TWO HAND DUNK ATTEMPT!!! Jontay is 6’10" and at least 230 lbs and Emmitt sat him down.
You never have to run a play for him (although the play he hits a 3 in the video is called Kansas) and he will get 8 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks a night and those would be just effort stats. I would take that every single day and twice on Sunday.
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@BeddieKU23 Dotson could even announce beforehand and take the visit just for fun.
And yeah, Williams would be a great get.
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Lets all hope Coach Self can pull of another 2013 recruiting class! I am all for it BUT I am not going to get excited until they sign LOI’s! Last year was a bummer! I really hope Robinson lands at KU and he can play this year! If that happens then I like our chances in March. After BOTH of our bigs missed the last game this summer I am not comfortable with our lack of depth!
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@BeddieKU23 I am all for Robinsons committing to KU and doing just that. I think he makes our team better even if he is just making Udoka work harder in practice. It will benefit KU but I hope he plays a year!
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https://wingspansports.com/2017/08/09/mitchell-robinson-to-visit-kansas/
Kansas already has the best backcourt in the country and their wings are phenomenal so if they get Robinson, this roster will be one of the best in the country and by a long shot.
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I got this from another board but its looks promising. “I’m not so sure Robinson actually met the conditions for a transfer. From the NCAA, “Transfer trigger: A condition that can affect your transfer status. A student who triggers transfer status is a student who: • Has been a full-time student at a two-year or four-year college during a regular academic term. Classes taken during summer terms do not count. • Practiced with a college team. • Practiced or competed while enrolled as a part-time student. • Received financial aid from a college while attending summer school.” He didn’t meet all the conditions, so it’s possible he can play.”
http://kansas.247sports.com/Board/Kansas-Jayhawks-Message-Board-Forum-59455
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@Statmachine I think the last condition is the one in question, did he receive aid during summer school? Then, if he did, it can’t be that much. I wonder if paying it back could be a condition to get his eligibility back for this year. May be a stretch but never know.
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@RockkChalkk If he dropped the classes after being there 2 weeks he wouldn’t have used any aid
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I agree about Emmitt Williams as an athlete. He is absolutely a freak athlete. Problem is, he’s 6-8. At 6-8, you can’t be sure he will be able to dominate in the paint based purely on athleticism because the college players will be much stronger than his current competition, so they can negate some of his athleticism with their strength.
I have the same concern with Zion Williamson. He’s 6-7. He’s incredibly strong and athletic, but again, collegiate guys will be able to negate some of that. He won’t be able to dominate on strength and athleticism alone, and at 6-7 or 6-8, both of these guys will need to be able to step out on the floor and shoot and handle. Notice how effective Josh Jackson was, mostly because he could handle and pass. Even though his shot was shaky at times, because he could really handle the basketball, his offensive game opened up.
I haven’t seen that type of handle from either Williams or Williamson. I see a lot of straightline drives, but not a lot of shiftiness and skill moves. That’s my concern. I think they can be good, but they will have to be energy guys, not primary options.
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If y’all haven’t, watch Mitchell Robinson highlights. He’s worth the risks imo.
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@BShark I am granting Robinson immediate eligibility if he signs with us. Granny, Ellie May, and Uncle Jed said so.
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Mitchell Robinson passes the brow test to me lol
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HighEliteMajor said:
So, if Robinson is as good as many say – if we sign him and he sits a year – why would he hang around for 2018-19?
I have the same concern, particularly when there already is precedent of him clearing up his room and leaving without notice.
If Coach Self has information that he will qualify for the upcoming season then by all means do it since the front line is very thin; however, if he will not be playing, I would be hesitant to take him. Looks like it worked great with Malik Newman so there is that precedent…although both situations are quite different.
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@BeddieKU23 I agree, I just have this gut feeling on Emmit -feels good, and your right he has that nastiness - and that is one of the BIG things that I like, like I mentioned he brings that edge to the court, the guy has a really get after it attitude on the floor, not soft by any means - -love it. - -I think he ends up here. - -My BOLD prediction lol, guess it’s a day for that huh? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 Again I agree with you and what’s being said this guy is an athletic freak, he is coming, he is coming, he is coming. I can feel it, I can taste it, my KU skin and gut is sayin it. Welcome EMMIT Williams. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Yet another prediction for us this morning for Devon coming. - I think I’m gettin my boy lol - -well I mean our boy you know But been on him from the get go. - Now I need to jump Quentin get the pair, hell ya - -I’m stoked this morning . Need to calm my old writhered up body down gets my blood pressure to high lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@justanotherfan Williams plays bigger then 6’8. I have no worries about his transition to College ball, I feel he will hold his own.
A far as Zion actually you might be more spot on with him then Emmit. - - About all I’ve seen from Zion is dunks - - powerful dunks, what is his outside shot like? - -Not trying to damper just a question. - -Does he have any kind of outside jumper? - -I seriously don’t know.
Emmit has shown at least some kind of outside game, maybe not a lot, but at least something to work off of, and develop more - -Zion – - just not sure, let me know. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@JayHawkFanToo I just don’t like the odds of Mitchell being eligible this year, which leads to the possibility of what’s being brought up - -train with the team during his sit yr and then time rolls around and he declares for the NBA. - -pretty shaky situation, but like some suggest maybe Coach feels pretty good about his chances of being eligible this yr. - -If he IS eligible, then for sure he is definetly a guy we need. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Williams height seems to vary depending on who you ask but he’s certainly in that 6’6-6’8 range. He’s so strong and has that quick athleticism to him that helps him hold his own against bigger guys. Case in point when he was matched up against Bagley who’s 6’10, 6’11 and a freak himself and he was able to make plays against him on both ends of the floor. I certainly agree that at the next level he may lose some of his edge he currently has. I just also wanted to point out that he’s played high level kids bigger then him this summer and either out-played them or found ways to still be effective.
Zion is another example of looking at other things he does besides the incredible athletic ability and dunks. You can’t stop him if he gets in transition downhill. Even at the College level he’s going to get what he wants because physically he’s just too big for most players. He’s really efficient player, something like 60% FG this summer. Willing passer, rebounder, rim defender. I see much more then just athlete that can dunk. Again you have a point that in College things won’t come as easy but I think he knows that and is too good to let that bother him. Self knows how to get kids like him to perform at their best. His perimeter shot is developing as well which is a key to his long-term potential in the NBA. I came into the summer saying can this kid do anything but Dunk? Then after seeing some of his games this summer you see a ton of other things he does so well.
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How soon will we know if Robinson is eligible to play this coming year?
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You could take Robinson and still benefit regardless of whether he is eligible, or if not, even if he doesn’t stay 2018-19. Right now there is no one of any size against whom our 1st team and redshirts can practice. Doke needs to be able to work against size on both offense and defense, and Mitch, while energetic, isn’t at the level we will see in games.
This works, of course, only if Self is able to succeed this year despite having that thin front line.
If Robinson finds out he doesn’t grade first round at the combine (if invited), then he probably stays and it was a good bet.
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mayjay said:
You could take Robinson and still benefit regardless of whether he is eligible, or if not, even if he doesn’t stay 2018-19. Right now there is no one of any size against whom our 1st team and redshirts can practice. Doke needs to be able to work against size on both offense and defense, and Mitch, while energetic, isn’t at the level we will see in games.
This works, of course, only if Self is able to succeed this year despite having that thin front line.
If Robinson finds out he doesn’t grade first round at the combine (if invited), then he probably stays and it was a good bet.
Good Points. Hope your right
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@mayjay I have heard folks talking about that and it is a good idea. Of course, one cant help dream about a scenario where he plays with us this year. Is he versatile enough to play the four? He looks pretty quick from what I’ve seen. Would be sweet to have him and Dok play at the same time. Thats two legitimate shot blockers and a lot of length on the front line.
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Bill knows how to showcase players like Zion. Zion knows this.
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GOOD NEWS!!!
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For those of you who don’t know that was Robinson’s post on his snapchat storyline!
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What else did it say?
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That’s all.
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@Statmachine exciting. let’s get him eligible for this year.
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LSU looking pretty likely.
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Report have came out tonight that LSU is no longer recruiting Mitchell Robinson
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@blackmild33 hmmmmm, wonder why they not interested now? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 no ship?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Ya that’s a very high possibility, didn’t someone else here say that no one had any scholi’s available? - -If things play out right & Mitchell gets some other things together, then we just had a 5 star stud handed to us on a platter would be sweet. - --ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
LSU looking pretty likely.
Look at this dumbass.
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@BShark now that u point it out!
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He could say no to college ball too! I’m waiting to hear from coach.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Where did you read or hear LSU was no longer interested? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 All over the internet. But particularly this: https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/895829004783161344
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@BShark Ya I pulled it up off the LSY scout forum, they had an article, talking like very slim he going to be able to play this yr, that’s a big part why they backed off recruiting him - -Looks a lot like he will either have to sit - - -JR College - - -Play over sea’s -or just sit completely out and then declare next year - -we will see what happens. - -I would think if he wanted to opt for anything but play College Ball he wouldn’t even be making any Visit any wasting people’s time though I dunno. - – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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, we have got a few pick in for Mr Mitchell Robinson
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@Statmachine Looks like there is info floating out there that he was never fully processed at WKU. If WKU then denied his application it would be like he never went to WKU at all and he would be immediately eligible at KU. Probably helps that the WKU president is Tim Caboni who worked at KU for awhile before going back home to his alma mater when the previous president retired.
Looooookin like Mitchell Robinson is gonna suit up in crimson and blue this year.
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If Robinson signs with us, and is immediately eligible, we win the national championship this year.
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I think this weekend could be a good one?
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No matter what if you mix Robinson in the rotation he will make an impact. Who in a million years would have thought KU would have three McDonalds all American’s in our front court? A McDonalds all American point Guard and 2 seniors in the back court. With Vick and Garrett BOTH impact players and both could start on any team in the country. Then our scouting team is top notch with our transfer pipeline! This could be the perfect storm guys?
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LSU no longer recruiting Mitchell Robinson. Announcing his decision this weekend after KU visit - if eligible, would be quite the pickup.
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@Statmachine It fixes the one glaring weakness this roster had… It’s pretty much perfect.
