Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU
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I was surprised to see Mason that high. I have checked at least half a dozen mock drafts and the highest I have seen Mason is #39 in one and most of the others have him as bottom of the second round to not drafted. There seems to be a lot of discrepancy among publications and many players are 20 or more places apart in the various lists.
At this point, I am not sure which is the best and it will be after the combine before we get a better idea of where the various prospects stand.
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KU will be going up against Top 100 recruits in practice every day next season. Our scout team is better than most teams we play next year.
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@Statmachine Bill’s high dollar hair plugs may combust if the scout team beats the starters.
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Oh, come on…that is the most natural, God given hair money can buy…
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If Mason goes at #29 that will be incredible. Very hopeful that occurs.
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I don’t think that Frank cuts the first round. And, if that is the case I hope he goes undrafted. That way he can go make a rotation for a good team. Much like Wayne has done. Wayne is setting himself up for a nice payday next season. Although, his contract is apparently a team option for $1.3M next season so he might get cut. But I think someone will pay him next year even if that happens.
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I am not sure Masson goes in the first round but teams shoul look at Isaiah Thomas that went #60 but on the re-draft he was picked #4.
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Ok guys , this might be silly but just thought about this possibility , see what you think. - - Does any of you think maybe , possibly the reason we Haven’t heard anymore on Tilmon is because he is waiting to announce his decision where he is going after we find out about SVI ?
I mean yes I fully understand they play two entirely different positions but just maybe he holding on to see , cause if SVI does stay in or doesn’t return that would free up a spot for him and that he actually is wanting to come here now.
I mean it’s been dead silent about where he going to land right? The last of ANYTHING I heard was when Coach Self visited with him I believe about the same time he took his Missouri visit. - -I would think if he is really all fired up about committing to Mizzery he would of announced that by now right? - So just a wild thought thinking MAYBE he holding off to wait and see if there will be an open scholarship at KU BEFORE he makes a decision. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Doubtful But props if that ends up correct.
Losing svi and gaining tilmon would be the only situation that softens the blow of losing senior guard
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@BeddieKU23 Ya I know pretty wild thought I grant but just curious. Just kind of hard to figure haven’t heard squat have you? - I thought it was a pretty easy read ALL MISSERY but now I’m thinking not so much. Who knows. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The last day to withdraw from the draft is May 25. Unless Svi decides before then one way or another, chances are that we will have to wait until then to know for sure. I am sure there are dozens of programs that would gladly make room for Tilmon so I would not think there is much urgency on his part.
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Read this morning SVI got his NBA combine invitation - - Good luck SVI hope all goes well. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Heard from a pretty good source Coleby is probably transferring and Tillmon should be visiting soon.
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@Kcmatt7 Hope that’s not the case with Coleby. He’s in line for some pretty good minutes this year and possibly starting if Preston doesn’t come here. He’d at worst be the 1st big off the bench which is still usually good for 20-25 minutes.
If he leaves and Preston doesn’t get cleared, and Tilmon (who I don’t think is that great to begin with) doesn’t commit, we’re left with UA and Lightfoot in the paint.
KU’s already still going to be pretty thin up front this year, but Coleby possibly leaving almost forces KU back into the 4 guard line up just because of depth. I hope that one’s not true at all.
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@Kcmatt7 he graduate? He’s such a great guy. Feel bad for him.
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@Kcmatt7 Why would he do that? He is in line for some good minutes…unless Tilmon or somebody else comes in.
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Til mom is a head case. And so is Tilmon (spellcheckdumb). We’ve had enough head cases who maybe cost us a title this year.
Tilmon was actually going into what looks to be the comeback of Illinois basketball and he’s probably goin to Misery? Something not right upstairs with I am afraid.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Heard from a pretty good source Coleby is probably transferring and Tillmon should be visiting soon.
Lines up with a comment Self made about possibly having to add two more players and yes it was after Moore transferred in.
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I don’t think Coleby would leave unless it was specifically to accommodate opening up another scholarship. I could be wrong though.
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Coleby played 2 years at Ole Miss, sat 1 year and played 1 year at KU, so it is possible that he has enough credits to graduate, transfer and play immediately elsewhere as a graduate transfer. I don’t believe he has lived up to expectations at KU, a tall task for most ant players any way, and I don’t believe he is NBA material either. A transfer to a higher academic profile school where he can play and get a Master’s Degree sounds likde a reasonable option.
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@JayHawkFanToo Or to a lower academic profile school where he could start, possibly?
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Wouldn’t he have a better chance to start at a school that emphasizes academics over sports, i.e. higher academic profile school?
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@JayHawkFanToo Ok, I see what you mean there … generally, high academics means he would be one of the best players/more likely to start. I’m a little slow sometimes …
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@BShark Who’s out there that’s a better fit for KU right now than Coleby? Unless Self has been hearing that Preston likely won’t be cleared, there’s not a starting spot available in the post anyway. Coleby will be a 5th year player that has been through a lot and his leadership is going to be huge for UA, Preston, and Lightfoot next year.
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Well just listened to and read from different site, Bagley in is latest interview from the EBYL talk pretty dam highly about KU kinda interesting.
Like a poster said brought up a couple of points after the interview # 1 poster said he didn’t think Bagley would re-add us to his list IF he wasn’t seriously giving us consideration, wouldn’t be no need to do it just for hype/show - as he already had the Big name schools involved BEFORE he re-added us to the lost - -UK/Duke.
2 brings up kind of a legit point saying he doesn’t think Duke would be as much of a factor as you might think because they seem to be zeroing more in on Williamson Zion, makes some sense, as it seems to me also that Duke really wants him, Never say never.
Again had some pretty good things to say about KU in his interview. says he wants to get the recruitment out of the way would probably like to make his decision in the fall so he could concentrate on his game. - -Like has been said could you imagine him in the front court with the combination with Udoka and the Lawson’s ? have to agree he would start immediately better then any player on the current roster for sure. Absolute animal for sure. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 DAM cap key - -sorry Guys. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@dylans Oh OK thanks learn something every day lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Hawk8086 I don’t know why other than I think he could probably start at another school. I’m assuming that it is contingent on landing Tilmon, but I could be wrong.
I just don’t think Coleby’s time here has gone as well as he thought it would. The knee injury probably changed a lot of things.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I think we will be a 4 guard team again regardless of how the roster shapes up here down the stretch. Our strength, regardless of who else we add, is our perimeter. We need to play to that.
I think Coleby could be looking for a more predominant role at a smaller school. Not sure. I’m not sure that it isn’t contingent on landing Tilmon. I think Bill is just very upfront with the players. This is who we are recruiting and this is where you would fall in our lineup if we did land that player.
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Are we still a 4 guard lineup with or without Svi though?
What perimeter player can reasonably step into Jackson’s role?
I don’t see that player on this roster.
Svi, Garrett, Cunliffe, Vick are all guards and expecting them to fill Jackson’s role is an injustice to the players and to the team. And let’s consider that all 4 of them have NBA potential and playing out of position is not going to be positive for their draft stock. Jackson was such an unique case that we have to completely throw out any comparison to him going forward.
The wildcard is Preston and how much consistency he can give to the 4 spot.
We also need a big summer from Lightfoot because it looks like his role is going to expand with just 10 available scholarship bodies after Self took the 3 transfer sit-outs.
It seems we will be headed back towards a more traditional set this season because of Preston and or the development of Lightfoot.
I think it will be important to see who gets the last scholarship open right now. If another scholarship opens through Svi leaving or the Coleby talk then other potential situations open up
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@Kcmatt7 you putting Preston at 4?
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@BeddieKU23 I think it is an injustice to the team to not play 4 guards if we don’t add another post. We are too good and athletic to not put that on the floor. You need to put your 5 best basketball players on the floor and things will take care of themselves.
And, as far as draft stock, I think it only helps a guy like Svi or Vick. It shows 2 things. That they can operate in an NBA spread style offense. And, that they can guard positions 2-4. If anything, it raises their draft stock.
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@Kcmatt7 @BeddieKU23 I guess I’m very confident that our lineup is set – Graham, Newman, Vick, Preston, Udoka. That’s just how I see it. If Svi comes back, I do think that Vick starts. Vick’s better. Of course, Preston could end up being a Diallo or Bragg to Self. Barring that, it’s hard for me to imagine Preston not starting. Maybe not game 1 or 2 (where Self might start Coleby), but pretty quickly.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I think it is an injustice to the team to not play 4 guards if we don’t add another post. We are too good and athletic to not put that on the floor. You need to put your 5 best basketball players on the floor and things will take care of themselves.
And, as far as draft stock, I think it only helps a guy like Svi or Vick. It shows 2 things. That they can operate in an NBA spread style offense. And, that they can guard positions 2-4. If anything, it raises their draft stock.
I’m all for putting our five best players on the court, we agree there.
Things take care of themselves though when you have the right fit to make such a situation happen. Jackson “fit” playing the 4 because athletically he could hold his own on defense and offensively he was too skilled and quick for posts to cover him. I don’t buy that we have another such situation where we can just put a guard on the court and ask him to play out of position, consistently, at a high level. That’s asking a lot from any of the available options.
I guess we should wait and see how the roster shakes out before we can really figure out what style of play this team will be playing with. I’m all for the 4 guard lineup, it was exciting to see from Self. If we have the right players to execute that style of play again I will be behind it. I think right now we lack that with certainty. Self’s rolling the dice only having 10 scholarship players available for this upcoming year.
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@BeddieKU23 You’re right, it will shake out.
I just haven’t heard good things about Lightfoot in practice. I heard he should be playing down the road at Baker…
So I don’t feel confident he should be out there playing the 4 anymore than Cunliffe, Vick or Svi. I guess that is what I’m basing most of my opinion on. I definitely see Preston and Doke starting the game. But there is only about 25 minutes a piece there. So I’m seeing us be a 4 guard lineup 15 minutes a game at least…
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Kcmatt7 said
I just haven’t heard good things about Lightfoot in practice. I heard he should be playing down the road at Baker…
Sound like something @elpoyo would post.
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@Kcmatt7 if coleby might leave and lt foot isn’t looking good, we’re screwed? Huh?
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2018 activity and offers flowing.
Montez Mathis interesting 2018 name to keep an eye on. Not ranked high enough imo.
Also reports that Tilmon is down to KU and Missouri.
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Did anyone substantiate the claims that Coleby might leave? Makes no sense.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 You’re right, it will shake out.
I just haven’t heard good things about Lightfoot in practice. I heard he should be playing down the road at Baker…
So I don’t feel confident he should be out there playing the 4 anymore than Cunliffe, Vick or Svi. I guess that is what I’m basing most of my opinion on. I definitely see Preston and Doke starting the game. But there is only about 25 minutes a piece there. So I’m seeing us be a 4 guard lineup 15 minutes a game at least…
I’m going to wait on Lightfoot, I think his impact comes in year 3 and 4. If he puts on weight this summer that would be a good start to him seeing more minutes this upcoming year.
But I do agree he’s not better then a guard we could throw out there talent wise, but defensively he offers more than any of the 3 at least in the post area. Self has his work cut out for him trying to figure out what identity this team will have. Last years squad didn’t come together until the season started even with veterans and wasn’t until Bragg was under-performing did Self trust that the 4 guard lineup could happen. Probably going to take a similar situation where Preston/Lightfoot fail to gain the trust of Coach enough to go with 4 guards.
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Duke fans freaking out about signing a 3 star guard for depth. Yikes
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Freaking out about a player that won’t play for them next year, if ever, is weird.
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Hameir Wright said he’s still weighing a move back to 2017, but the plan right now is to take a prep year. Kansas and Michigan State are making a push. Miami, Syracuse, Villanova, Maryland, UCLA.
Hameir Wright #27 in the ESPN top 60, #45 on 247 for 2018 6’7 SF. Has to be Svi related…
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@JayHawkFanToo just telling you guys what I hear. But I can keep those comments to myself instead if you would like.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I wouldn’t think we are screwed. We will end up with a backup to Doke one way or another. Either Coleby will stay, Tilmon will come or someone will come out of the woodwork.
Duke landed Thorton about this time because they whiffed on every PG they went for. Had to call him up and get him to reclass. We could do something similar, worst case scenario.
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@approxinfinity I heard it from one of the basketball managers that he is probably leaving.
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@Kcmatt7 unhappy with PT?
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@Kcmatt7 Keep the insider info coming my friend! We know things can change quickly but its nice to get the info either way. Helps pass the time until the season starts!
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Has Coleby graduated? If not he’d be sacrificing his last year of eligibility to transfer again.
