Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU
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@BeddieKU23 Only thing, he can shoot. Although he didn’t have much of an Assist to turnover ratio. HAVE to land a guy who can play PG in 2 years though. Just in case.
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I had never even heard of this kid … apparently it’s KU and Illinois.
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It seems like taking transfers is a good way to have a kid on the bench to practice and get better, while they aren’t complaining about playing time. It’s pretty hard to actually fill out a roster of 13 players that are actually good without complaints about playing time and being a transfer risk themselves if they don’t play enough.
As for Charlie Moore, he played on the same AAU team as the Jacobs bros. Could be a factor. Assuming Duval to Duke, I don’t hate it. Presumably it’s between Moore and Allen for the last guard scholarship. The only issue it does present is a very thin back court to start the season provided Svi is gone. Garrett would be forced into 20+ mpg.
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I did see that Illinois seems like the favorite here. But I still don’t understand going after another sit-out transfer unless we have another scholarship opening somewhere or the Lawson’s plan on having daddy pay their way for a year and Self has their scholarships to use instead.
I get that its hard to fill the roster to 13 these days but we need at least 11 available bodies this season. That way we can afford to lose 1 player which seems to be the norm now during the yr.
Moore is good, he was solid at Cal so I’m not questioning his ability. Just trying to wrap my head around this one
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I can definitely see only having 4 eligible guards in the first semester being an issue. It would be nice to have another guard that can play, even if it’s only in spot minutes.
I think another post player is the more pressing need. Not because of the numbers as 4 quality post players would be fine but Doke is still very young, Preston is talented but mercurial and a frosh, Coleby is a foul machine and Mitch could use a RS year.
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Could Texas pull Bamba? I know nothing about the kid, other than that his ego is strong.
"It’s corny, but I really want to have buildings named after me at whatever university I go to and if I can do that in one year it means I had a great year.”
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Yeah we definitely still have needs for 2017 that’s why I’m surprised Charlie Moore is even on the radar without knowing what’s happening with Svi, Tilmon and Allen at this point.
Svi would solve the perimeter issue. With how stacked this draft is I still can’t find a way he gets drafted before mid-2nd round.
Tilmon would give us 5 talented bigs to throw out there. Who knows what’s going to happen with him.
Allen- obvious guard insurance, will he wait out Svi’s decision or will the staff move on him before?
I can’t imagine we go into next year with just 4 bigs. None of our perimeter options are Josh Jackson who can just seamlessly transition to guarding bigger players…
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Yes they can. They definitely have the most available playing time to give him and his relationship with Smart is the best if we believe what’s posted on the internet…
I think he goes to Kentucky given the type of player he is and two of his best friends on the team (Green & Diallo).
He’s definitely keeping everyone guessing. Duke fanatical’s still think he’s going there. Delusional bunch they are
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I don’t think Bolden stays if Bamba were going to Duke.
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Ya know , and I thought this even before but even more since I’ve talked to several friends acquaintences. I just believe and some different things I’ve read , for one that some times these NBA people will advise guys that might be projected in the middle to lower pat of the 2nd round - -they advise them to go play ball over sea’s for a year , then declare for the NBA draft kind of stockpile these guys then draft them. This way the kid STILL makes some money playing for that year & then declares after that year.
I have felt for awhile this is what SVI would do - -I didn’t think about playing over sea’s for the year and then declaring but makes sense -gets paid then declare the following season. - -I’ve just have always thought he would do what he did Declare- -then if he doesn’t hear what he wanted, I have fully thought that he would return back home and play ball - -didn’t see him coming back - - -STILL don’t see him back. - -If I remember right when he came he said at the time he was talking 2 years , as far as the NBA goes personally I don’t believe his stock will rise a lot higher, just think he is done at KU. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Shayok to ISU
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@BShark who? And what are the implications?
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Marial Shayok. Used to be at UVA. Not sure what went sideways there. Sit one to play one. He will very likely be a starter for them in that year.
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@BShark I agree. To me the post is the large issue. We lose Landen, we lose Bragg and we lose Josh who was not a post player but was our starting 4 essentially all year. The backcourt seems ready to go whether or not Svi returns.
Offensively in the post it is a concern. Basically we return zero scoring down low since Doke was hurt most of the year. Doke is a beast and should get plenty of opportunities with put backs and alley-oops but does not shoot well from the floor or from the FT line. Coleby is offensively challenged but he plays hard. Mitch is in need of at least one more year before he can be counted on and from what I have seen Preston is anything but a traditional post player. One more solid body down low would be fantastic before recruiting is all said and done.
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If KU has not named a building after Chamberlain, there is no way it will name one after Bamba. Has any school named a building after a basketball player? I don’t believe UNC had named one after even Jordan. Kid’s ego needs a reality check.
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There’s nothing wrong with a high school senior dreaming about being so special to a college that a building gets named after him or her. It’s a cool dream really. I wish I wasn’t so grounded in reality that I could dream like that. I don’t ever laugh or ridicule the dreams of young people. I hope their dreams come true.
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@stoptheflop It’d be nice if one could maintain that unbridled optimism while not being completely ignorant to the workings of the world.
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@stoptheflop I like to take a zen approach to it. It is what it is.
There is certainly a positive and negative application for a less restrained ego.
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The one that always got me was Dakari Johnson saying he’d beat Michael Jordan in his prime one on one.
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approxinfinity said:
The one that always got me was Dakari Johnson saying he’d beat Michael Jordan in his prime one on one.
…but more importantly…could he beat LaVar Ball?
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@approxinfinity My first thought was, “yea, maybe ping pong.”
But freaks like Jordan are great at everything. So probably not.
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Baylor snags another 7 footer.
Leonard Allen, Older brother of Jarrett Allen.
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@JayHawkFanToo I realize I’m ruining it by saying this, but I appreciate that your comment got zero response, just like the real Lavar Ball! Ignoring him is the only medicine that will make that clown go away.
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No problem. LaBar Ball is only good as a punch line on a joke.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Baylor snags another 7 footer.
Leonard Allen, Older brother of Jarrett Allen.
Not nearly as good for anyone wondering.
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True, this one is weird. Played 1 year at a Juco 2 seasons ago and averaged 14 & 8. Didn’t play this past year and from one article it makes it sound like he’s a 22-23 year old player already…
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Yeah I was going to say something about desperation but KU recently gave Evan Maxwell a scholarship for a semester sooooo
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Moore isn’t a bad player by any means, just won’t be available next year and it sounded like KU was the favorite for several other higher ranked targets.
Barring another transfer, I do like that he is a guy that will be at KU through his senior year, don’t see him leaving for NBA early. Need a few of those long term guys, most players on the roster will likely leave us in the waiting game to hear if they are back or not.
Also, seems like the biggest need right now is landing another post player, maybe this is the writing on the wall that Svi is definitely gone?
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Twitter isn’t running with this yet so not sure how valid that story was at the present moment
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@BShark Comment removed so not confirmable?
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The only higher ranked player now would be Duval (Moore is better than Allen and if Moore could play this year it wouldn’t even be a choice which to take), and I think the staff was told he isn’t coming here if this news is true.
Big if though. This is really weird. Might be fake news or something.
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Thomas Allen committed to Nebraska. I’d say the Moore thing is probably true, it just broke before he wanted it out there.
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Terrible decision but his to make.
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I would think it means there is no spot for him at KU.
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If the report on Moore becomes true here are some stats for those who are unfamiliar with him.
ESPN ranked him the #1 transfer today.
Freshman scoring record for a game at Cal with 38 against UC Irvine. He hit 15 FT’s in that game. 75% from the line on the year.
35% 3 point shooter, 38% overall FG %. Not great numbers but certainly can be improved.
3.5 assists per game, 2.9 turnovers. Typical of a freshman Point Guard forced into a starting role with not a ton of talent around him.
4 games over 20 points
5 games with 3 or more steals
9 games over 5 assists.
Averaged 10.3 pts vs ranked opponents (3 games against Oregon, 1 Virginia, 1 UCLA, 1 USC, 2 Arizona).
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True. I’m fine with not getting him but the poor decision is picking a terrible Nebraska team to play for
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Not if he goal is getting PT this year.
As for Moore, I like it if true. Makes Grimes the key 18 recruit by far. This also creates a nice situation where the staff isn’t heavily depending on the weak 18 class and allows the 19 class (where KU has a lot of ins) to be a focal point.
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True, they all want to play. I guess he doesn’t care about his team being any good.
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What’s the latest on Duval?
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Not KU.
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He went to Duke for a visit this week, then denied/lied about it on twitter.
He’s really enjoying the limelight
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Ok, so I’m a little confused , what a surprise right? lol. So Thomas Allen, this is the one that had originally committed to North Carolina St right? then changed his mind after Gottfried got fired? - -so it’s him that committed to Nebraska?- -I thought he was so sure fire about coming to KU, yet I had heard we hadn’t offered is that right?
The I read on here about Moore from Cal - -It was mentioned about if the story was true - -Has then been something from him about coming to KU? - Sorry but I’m not seeing where this is all coming from. If anyone can help me - -would greatly appreciate it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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He was a slow roll. I would guess he didn’t have a commit-able offer.
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@BeddieKU23 Ya he loves the Media -said he was going to come up with something totally special that had never been done before for his announcement. One way or another I believe he said he was going to or hopefully make his decision towards the end of April - - -well we getting to the end of April, will there be ANYONE not be put on the paddles if he DOES NOT commit to Duke?
I again just don’t see when these kids know - -and I truly believe he HAS known for quite sometime as to where he was going to commit , I just don’t see why he doesn’t just go ahead and announce - -Again lets revert back to the lime light / social media - it has truly become a Circus. Same can be said for Kevin Knox - -I feel he too has also known for some time now, again a Circus - - he has even as much said he would make his announcement depending on media time/coverage availability. - - WHAAAAAAAA ?
On another subject has anyone heard anything more on Tilmon? I know he was I believe at Mizou last Friday & I also think Coach Self has had a visit with him - -Anyone heard any more since - - been pretty quiet since. If anyone knows fill me in please. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Duval has always loved the attention so there’s no reason for him to stop just yet. He’s been in Duke’s pocket for 4-5 months now.
No new news on Tilmon. Wonder what’s going on there.
I think the Knox situation has changed. I think there’s a strong sense he’s going to Missouri. The Duke people seem to think so as well.
Agree its a circus and we all play into by talking about them constantly.
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@BeddieKU23 Well your right thee. Definetly play into their hands by talking about them so much - - - - they love it. Also agree I think Know just might end up at Mizzou, hate em BUT will have to say if he commits there pretty dam good recruiting class ending up there.
So whz the deal with the Moore kid, can you give me any details? Has there been movement about him maybe being at KU or what? - - Thanks - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Moore is from Chicago. ESPN had him ranked #61, #72 on 247 in the 2016 class. He was originally committed to Memphis then a coaching change happened and he went to Cal. Solid freshman year. From what I’ve read he’s transferring closer to home, his father had a stroke in 2015 and is still recovering so maybe this is a move to be closer to him. Illinois was involved with him first time around and with them having openings I can see him taking a strong look at them.
He’s good enough to play at KU if that’s what ends up happening. Solid freshman numbers with obvious improvements to be made on FG%, turnovers etc, something a sit-out year and natural development could cure. His advanced numbers aren’t great, 13.6 PER and his usage was high for the amount of minutes he played. Cal wasn’t good even with a 1st round pick on their team. He was decent against ranked opponents, struggled some in conference play. I don’t think there was enough talent around him for him to be his best.
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Yeah this isn’t rocket science. Duval is at Duke (likely filming his commitment video) but denies it fervently because he wants to “keep it a secret”. Then it leaks that Moore has popped for KU, but it gets retracted, probably because Moore wants to announce the news himself. Then Allen announces for Nebraska.
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Definitely feels like Knox could end up at Missouri. Honestly, it could be his best option for playing time. Duke is pretty loaded, and UK is stacked with wings and combo forwards.
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@BShark I don’t think UK goes after or lands Baker if they felt good about Knox. At least that would be my guess.
That Mizzou team could be very talented, and yet be a very selfish team with little to no ball movement.
