Bracketology
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@Ralph lol no, lol. I am guessing I didn’t make it real clear as to what I was needing. - -I’m not looking at teams , what I am trying to do is - -I’m drawing up the tourney bracket on paper board and need to make sure I get my regions right you know?- - Like when it comes down to the final four isn’t it the Midwest vs the West and the East vs the South? - just trying to make up the bracket no names lol. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Interesting that ESPN and most sites have the B12 down to 5 teams in. TCU and KSU both in next four out. They both are 17-12 and 6-10 in the big 12,TCU has a much better non conference SOS. They play Wednesday in Fort Worth, likely a elimination game from the dance baring a B12 tournament win.
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@kjayhawks I think that’s about right. T Tech, TCU, and Silo Tech will battle it out for the 6th, imo. If one of them can win their next two games, and their first rd game in the conference tourney, they should probably slip in.
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A long way to go, but a decent chance that our path is something like… facing a big 10 team such as Michigan or MSU as an 8 or 9, then maybe another (Wisconsin or Purdue_ as a 4 or 5, then likely one of the Pac 10 teams as a 2.I say this because we could likely have a Big 12 team in the 8 or 9 and 4 or 5 (like WVU) which pushes those other teams toward us.
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@Hawk8086 Florida is also another option as our 4/5
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@HawkChamp said:
@Hawk8086 Florida is also another option as our 4/5
I would have nightmares about Kevaughn Allen leading up to that game.
Oh and MSU doesn’t belong anywhere near the tournament this year. Same for KSU. Difference between these two is MSU could play their way in with Wiscy and MD coming up for them. KSU is just dooooooooooooone. A shame though, given that their players were just as good as KUs.
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@BShark MSU played well the other night…I think they are in.
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@HawkChamp Good point.
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Against Nebraska? That’s like beating UMKC. Already 11 losses. I guess the bubble is pretty soft this year but if they close out 1-2 that’s a really tough sell unless they have a good run in the B1G tourney.
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@BShark I didn’t mean Nebraska.
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@Hawk8086 B10 teams wouldn’t be in the 8/9 and 4/5 of a region because conference teams are supposed to he on opposite sides of a region unless there are 9+ teams from a league in the field which isn’t happening anytime soon.
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@BShark Clemson, who was 4-11 in ACC play entering today was still a bubble team, so yes, the bubble is weak this year. This may very well be the weakest bubble ever where there are several at large teams that finish with losing conference records.
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So Gonzaga lost last night. Might cost them a 1 seed.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
@BShark Clemson, who was 4-11 in ACC play entering today was still a bubble team, so yes, the bubble is weak this year. This may very well be the weakest bubble ever where there are several at large teams that finish with losing conference records.
Yuck.
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So a couple things after the weekend. Right now it seems one of the Top 3 Pac-12 teams is going to end up in the Midwest as a #3 seed. The Pac-12 tourney will be important in narrowing down which school but its either Zona/UCLA at this moment.
Really not understanding how Oregon is a #2 seed at this moment based on resumes. UCLA’s resume is way better overall, road wins over Kentucky & Arizona have to count for something. Oregon also has a bad loss (Georgetown) that neither Zona/UCLA has. Oregon is a really good team don’t get me wrong but something isn’t right with the seeding right now.
If North Carolina stays on the #1 line, Lousiville is the most likely candidate to be the #2 in the Midwest.
Duke seems to be an inevitable 4-5 matchup with the regional in Greenville. If we want to avoid them again we really should start rooting for them to get back on the 3 seed line
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@BeddieKU23 This could still play out beautifully for us. If UCLA is a 1 seed then man could that be a life-saver. That would allow the 3 top pac-12 teams to be in the West and could ship the Zags to the Midwest.
Having the “South” region in Memphis is a huge help to keep away Duke, UNC, UK, UL and WVU. I expect those two regions to be rough. Midwest could legitimately be KU, Gonzaga, Purdue, SMU.
Personally, I see our region being the easiest as long as UCLA can hold on to the top seed in the West.
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A team that’s creeping into the mix as an 8/9 seed is Michigan St. That should scare a lot of people because Izzo has historically had Self’s number. I don’t care if this is theor worst team in a long time, MSU would be a nightmare draw for KU.
It’s also looking like we may see 3 PAC 12 teams on the 2 line this year which means one of them would end up in the Midwest. The Gonzaga loss didn’t cost them a 1 seed, it cost them a shot at the overall 1 seed. They would still have to lose again in the WCC tournament to fall off the 1 line.
UCLA is the one team out of those 4 who worries me the most because they’re the best offensive team in the country and Lonzo Ball is a match up headache for KU.
Arizona can’t win the big ones and Oregon is still a really good team with deep tournament experience. The PAC 12 tournament is one worth keeping an eye one this year especially for the semifinal games
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@Kcmatt7 definitely. Imo, UCLA is the best team this year. Need them to win out and win the Pac 12 tourney.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 UCLA wins out and they get the #1 in the West. Don’t see any way they wouldn’t
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@Texas-Hawk-10 gonzaga was never the number one overall. A couple weeks ago, they were the fourth number one. The committe wasn’t impressed with their wins apparently.
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A lot of things would have to go UCLA’s way for them to get a #1 seed. It all starts and ends with Gonzaga losing another game. If they win their conference tourney they are still a #1 in the west.
The only other possible scenario where UCLA or any Pac-12 team is a #1 seed would be in the South. They would need a collapse from UNC- meaning they lose to both Virginia/Duke this week (which could happen) and for them to lose the ACC tourney. Louisville would need to lose one of its 2 remaining ACC games as well as lose the ACC tourney. Seems like too many obstacles there.
The Memphis regional isn’t a factor is it in initial seeding to geographical area/earned seed line?
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@HawkChamp Never said they were the overall 1 seed, just the loss cost them any shot at it.
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@Kcmatt7 No PAC 12 team is getting a 1 seed without a second Gonzaga loss.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree about MSU. I watched their game yesterday and they are not a bad team. They play hard, have a great coach and have size in the post. That said, they are not a great team. I’d hate to see them in our region as an 8/9 but I thought the same thing about UCONN last year and we kind of beat them like a drum.
Also agree that UCLA is the scariest potential 2 seed if we are looking that far ahead. They have size, can score a ton of points and Ball is one of the best players in the country.
I just looked at Lunardi’s most recent bracket and it was a gauntlet for KU. Wichita St. as the 8/9. Duke as a 4, Zona as a 3 and Kentucky as a 2. Is that a joke?
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I could be wrong but wasn’t Gonzaga the #4 overall team when the NCAA released its preliminary top 16 teams? If you look at the NCAA RPI, Gonzaga is #11. IMHO, with one more loss, Gonzaga becomes a #2 seed…if it is not that already.
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I can definitely see a PAC team getting a 1 seed. With a Zags loss no question, but what about UNC or Nova not taking care of business down the stretch? I gotta think if UCLA or Oregon were to run the table thru their tourney that alone could knock the zags off the top line. Maybe crimson and blue glasses but I think KU right now is about the only assured 1 seed.
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Yes Gonzaga was the last #1. What’s going to save their butt from dropping if they win the conference tourney is the three non-conference wins against Arizona, Florida & Iowa St something none of the Pac-12 schools can match. They could add a 3rd win against Saint Mary’s which gives them another positive RPI win as SM is hovering around the 19-20 range. I don’t see the one loss to a Top 100 RPI squad dropping them
Gonzaga is locked into the West either as a #1 or a #2 as they would play in Salt Lake City or Sacramento.
The best Pac-12 team of the three will be the #1 or #2 in that same region.
One Pac-12 team will be in the south (playing in Sacramento) and the other will be in the Midwest region (playing in Salt Lake City). This way they are all in separate brackets and playing relatively close to home.
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Nova’s as much a cinch for a #1 seed as KU is at this point. UNC could definitely drop from the #1 line with 5 losses already. They play on the road against Virginia and then have the return Duke game Saturday. Not out of the realm that they go 0-2 and go into the ACC tourney with 7 losses. Can’t see a 7-8 loss ACC squad staying on the top line, but then again the influence of the ACC having a #1 seed at all costs is a lot to overcome
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ESPN and the MSM will not allow a tournament without an ACC team as #1` seed…
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Illinois is going to steal another bid for the Big 10. Will have won 5 in a row going into the conference tournament and will have a .500 record in Big 10 play now. I think all it will take is one win in the conference tournament for them to be in. Not a team I’d want to play right now. Finally got it to click in Champaign…
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@joeloveshawks YA and I’m not laughing - -that is just BS - not saying that’s the way it’s going to turn out but man you talk stacked - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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just checked Bracketology. - -Well Joey moved WSU out of our region. - -has us playing North Dakota, then the winner of South Carolina/ Michigan , Louisville # 2 - -UCLA # 3 & Virginia # 4 - - Plus Oklahoma St # 7 in our bracket # 7 vs Seton Hall
Baylor # 2 in the East Villanova # 1 - -Duke # 3 - - Florida # 4. - - -WV # 4 in the South - - & Iowa State a # 6. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 I’m not sure I understand what your response means.
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@joeloveshawks said:
I just looked at Lunardi’s most recent bracket and it was a gauntlet for KU. Wichita St. as the 8/9. Duke as a 4, Zona as a 3 and Kentucky as a 2. Is that a joke?
I believe @jayballer54 was responding to this section of your post from 3 days ago and agreeing that, unfortunately not a joke, it was really “stacked.”
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@joeloveshawks I’m sorry. - I was responding to what you said about Lunardi’s most recent bracket, I was agreeing with you about it being a joke, unbelievably rough. - -that has since changed - -reference a reply of mine further down - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I’ve been keeping up with what the bracket might look at too, and it’s gone from a nightmare to not being so dreadful. At this moment I don’t care about teams in the bottom half of our projected bracket. We’re going to have play good teams in the Sweet 16 and the Elite 8, so I’m not too concerned about the 2 or 3 seed on the other side of the bracket. The 4 seed on our side is Virginia. I will take that all day long. What I flat out don’t want is playing Wichita St. in the round of 32. That would just be a flat out injustice. Putting a 4 loss team as an 8-9 playing, 2 hours from home would be ridiculous.
As of now, according to Lunardi, we would play either South Carolina or Michigan in the round of 32. Michigan is not very impressive, although I’m steel leery given our epic collapse to them in 2013. South Carolina seems to be the team to be concerned about. Couple of nice wins over Syracuse, Florida, and Georgia. It’s important to remember that Lunardi is not the end all be all to bracket projections. He usually gets the 1, 2 and sometimes 3 seeds right–I could do that.
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Anybody but Virginia…
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@BShark For sure, I totally agree - -they to me just play really really ugly style of ball. – -score in the 50’s-low 60’s - -I just hate the way the play the game, good for them but me – maybe not so much, pretty solid defense, WV neat them though on Virginia Home floor - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 I agree KU’d beat Virginia, but it wouldn’t be fun to watch. I’d rather watch KU play against a weaker D team that doesn’t plod on offense. Boring, but if that’s the game then you better believe I’ll be watching!
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@dylans you got that right. - - -BORING- - - VERY BORING. I can hardly stand to watch games they play, turn in mostly to watch the other team they play, as me being the Basketball junkie that I am Lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 ha! I totally get it. I was just confused.
It will be very interesting to see who the 8/9 4/5 teams are. Who are you hoping to avoid the most?
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@joeloveshawks lol, cool.- - -well checking Bracket updated yesterday, - let’s see Probably the least I would like would probably be Louisville # 2 seed, just because pressing style and athletisim. - - Then next probably Virginia - -just because of the style of ball they play -slow turtle pace - -very deliberate, not as many chances to score - -just ugly style 50–60-s type. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
@Hawk8086 B10 teams wouldn’t be in the 8/9 and 4/5 of a region because conference teams are supposed to he on opposite sides of a region unless there are 9+ teams from a league in the field which isn’t happening anytime soon.
According to the NBCSports version of bracketology, this is no longer true. They say the NCAA is putting a bigger premium on keeping teams on their true seed line than they are in separating conferencemates.
Here is the NCAA language:
Each of the first four teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regions if they are seeded on the first four lines.
Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional final if they played each other three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.
Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional semifinals if they played each other twice during the regular season and conference tournament.
Teams from the same conference may play each other as early as the second round if they played no more than once during the regular season and conference tournament.
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That wording has been around for a while and they override all the time anyway.
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You know what just amazes me about some People? - - It’s that I read and hear from others - -not here, not any KU fans BUT , just like this year, Ok more likely then not we get the # 1 seed in the Midwest, which it runs first weekend in Tulsa and then we get through that then we go to the sprint Center.
I find it laughable - -yet very sad. - -All I hear from the haters is, OH that’s Bullshit KU getting to play that close, and why doesn’t the NCAA just gift wrap KU to the final 4. - - -Only ONE little itsy bitsy teeny weinee problem about that/ - -These morons making that statement, what they fail to realize, fail to remember, or just plain don’t want to accept is - - that this sited for these games are planned years in advance, - -they have NO idea who is going to even make the tourney, when these sites are set. - - it’s comedy at it’s finest. - -I REALLY need to find out the last names of these people - so I can ask what their last names are, then they can tell me, then I can say OH I’M SORRY I thought your last name was whiner lmao:
The NCAA has no idea KU is going to be there when they assign these sites.Thing about it is, just think about this – they gonna really gonna get their ass chapped next year if we get another # 1 sees lol, cause NEXT year the opening round for the Midwest opening weekend is at the Intel Center in Wichita Ks, - -The the Regional is in Omaha - - THEY WILL FOR SURE have nightmares if it turns out like that again next year lmao. - - ROCCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
