Life after flattening?
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@Kcmatt7 said in Life after flattening?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Life after flattening?:
@Kcmatt7 said in Life after flattening?:
But nobody can explain why the US sucks ass at testing. I sure can’t. And the feds allowing private companies to be the distributors of medical supplies is dumbfounding.
I’ve got a suggestion. The FDA and CDC were WAY too slow in approving tests in private and academic labs that were already being conducted. At one point they shut that early testing down. Have to love red tape.
I would say that is likely one of the issues.
Although I understand the concerns. Who would pay for it? The state, the federal government or insurance companies?
How do we ensure they are accurate?
How do we ensure that we aren’t being defrauded? As in someone claims to perform tests, but really aren’t and just send the bills and collect cash.
Some of this could red tape could be prevented by, dare I say it, a centralized healthcare system that removes some of these questions and administration issues.
The Feds farm out R&D all the time to private and academic institutions. They could’ve easily done the same here. The research labs have tons of experience running RCT’s and whatnot on new drugs, so there’s no reason to pull their funding and have FDA employees do it. Private companies make and test drugs all the time, then run trials to ensure they’re effective. The FDA has monitoring capacity. If a company makes a fraudulent drug, they’ll suffer massive financial losses. Then the rest of the world buys what we develop (the US patents about half of all new drugs worldwide each year). If the FDA screws up and makes faulty tests like they did for COVID, we all just shrug and keep paying them.
Centralizing it all probably won’t make any difference. We’re testing at about the same rate as all the other developed countries sans Italy. I suppose we could just get rid of all those pesky university hospitals and make them more similar to the Federally run hospitals like the checks notes VA?
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@FarmerJayhawk and @Kcmatt7 our government isn’t worried about making money off covid tests. They want to restart our economy. That is the question of the day. One that will make Trump a hero or satan’s pawn. I’m afraid any decision he makes will be bad for him.
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This is long but good on this topic of what comes next: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-summer-coronavirus-reopening-back-normal/609940/
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Oof… https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/social-distancing-research-coronavirus-2022-trnd/index.html
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@benshawks08 people won’t do it. Look at the idiot governors that wouldn’t shut down. Our, ks gov, did a great job and she’s catching it from the ks lg. We have clusters from churches, 3 in Sedgwick co, 1 or 2 in kck-you guys may know, where there have been deaths. Lawrence has a church that has been meeting since the orders have been in place. The AG won’t do anything. Most pastors back the governor. We have streaming services! We also don’t have tests. I think it will get crazy.
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@benshawks08 said in Life after flattening?:
This is long but good on this topic of what comes next: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-summer-coronavirus-reopening-back-normal/609940/
I read this yesterday. It is going to be a long time until things are back to “normal”. I personally do not think things will ever go back to the way they were before.
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@Woodrow I mean at this point, if things go back to the way they were before that would just mean we are ill prepared for the next virus. Hopefully, some meaningful change comes from this. Hopefully, we learn something.
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Looks life life after flattening could be better for some than others… https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article242003481.html
Guess republicans snuck some stuff into the relief bill too.
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Don’t know if this is a good thing or bad thing BUT the number of positive cases taking a big time up tick, we jumped up by 117 new positive cases from yesterday. - - - We have been increasing daily Tuesday up 76 cases , Wedns up 94 cases - -& yesterday up 117 cases.
Now is that a good thing or bad ? - -I believe it o not thinks it might be good, could very well mean we are getting closer to the spike and then start to see a drop off - -maybe just wishful thinking but HEY got to think positive right. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Other silver linings to increasing positive numbers could mean better/more testing but hard to say. Still seeing the peak supposedly around the beginning of May overall but locally will vary wildly.
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@benshawks08 said in Life after flattening?:
@jayballer73 Other silver linings to increasing positive numbers could mean better/more testing but hard to say. Still seeing the peak supposedly around the beginning of May overall but locally will vary wildly.
ya that’s true - guess I’m reaching for SOMETHING positive. Bout ready to go nutts stuck in here with the wife lmao
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@jayballer73 Hope she doesn’t read your posts!
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@benshawks08 said in Life after flattening?:
@jayballer73 Hope she doesn’t read your posts!
lmao , no love her to death - - BUT all I hear her talk about recently is about her an her female friend across the street THE SAME ONE I’m getting the moonshine from lol - - all I hear about is the two of them talking about their vape - - vape - - vape - - vape lol. - -Making new flavores - -buying new mods and such - -yada , yada , yada, lol.
Probably the way she hears me talk about KU Basketball - -OR my KU site - - OR Ku football , but football is a VERY BRIEF conversation lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Love that your order is 1. Bbal, 2. buckets, 3. football 4. Only kinda football.
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@benshawks08 we don’t have enough tests in ks
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@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah. According to this no state really does.
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Stay in Kansas as the surrounding areas aren’t looking good! “The bump in coronavirus cases is most pronounced in states without stay at home orders. Oklahoma saw a 53% increase in cases over the past week, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Over same time, cases jumped 60% in Arkansas, 74% in Nebraska, and 82% in Iowa. South Dakota saw a whopping 205% spike. The remaining states, North Dakota, Utah and Wyoming each saw an increase in cases, but more in line with other places that have stay-at-home orders. And all of those numbers may very well undercount the total cases, given a persistent lack of testing across the US.”
That from this: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/politics/republican-governors-stay-at-home-coronavirus/index.html
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Ugh: this suggests the virus is airborne… much more than the 6 foot.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016041202031254X
I need to vet this publication… but looks legit at first glance.
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I think we r 50th. In western ks, Ford co has 84 cases today, up 10. Guessing it’s a meat packing plant, they haven’t said. Western ks has been relatively safe. Rural Kansas will start feeling those effects. People go to dodge for groceries, supplies and healthcare.
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@benshawks08 s Dakota is that meat packing plant. They’ve closed several others.
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Another fact from the hutch news, Another five outbreaks around the state are attributed to church gatherings, with 79 related illnesses.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Life after flattening?:
I think we r 50th. In western ks, Ford co has 84 cases today, up 10. Guessing it’s a meat packing plant, they haven’t said. Western ks has been relatively safe. Rural Kansas will start feeling those effects. People go to dodge for groceries, supplies and healthcare.
Idaho fell below KS so now we (KS) are 49th in the country in testing. For all the good Governor Kelly has done she needs to figure out a way to get some more damn test.
Oh and also figure out the Unemployment Bs. There are so many people that can’t file and or have not yet received a dime.
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@Woodrow you do know the system is from the 1970’s? They were in the process of replacing some of it when this hit and had to shut down. In 2011 they received Money to replace and update, guess what? Brokeback didn’t do it! They are uncovering several things that money was allotted for and didn’t get done. He was truly the worst and left them in a deep dark hole. I think they have gotten things rolling, patched together. Hired more to help. I listen to her daily conferences. Her and the KDHE, dr Norman. I think they are a pretty good team and she had 2 ladies from Dept of Labor on the other day explaining how to get thru the system. It’s definitely not for lack of their hard work. I know dentists are using 3D printers to making the swabs. Orders on they way get stopped and sent to other states. Sucks.
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Fun story from my days at the state. The state bought $10 million in computer hardware and the agencies never even took it out of Saran Wrap. It was in the basement of Docking until a year or two ago when they donated it to K-State.
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@FarmerJayhawk oh good gosh! Not very fun considering people are struggling and blaming Kelly
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@FarmerJayhawk so how can that not be accounted for? How would you know that?
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@bskeet it’s all theoretical. Possible. Hope for the best, assume the worst.
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@benshawks08 said in Life after flattening?:
@jayballer73 Love that your order is 1. Bbal, 2. buckets, 3. football 4. Only kinda football.
lmao ya that pretty much sums it up lol
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Life after flattening?:
@FarmerJayhawk so how can that not be accounted for? How would you know that?
Government gonna government. We were doing a fact finding mission looking at the state’s building needs and while we were in the basement of Docking we see this big pallet of stuff all wrapped in plastic. One member asked what it was and the research staffer along told us about the computer equipment. I think it made the local papers later. We were all dumbfounded.
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@FarmerJayhawk seems like I remember them wanting to get rid of that building and I think they gave a bunch of stuff away.who exactly were you working for? Was it outdated? I bet that was what Kelly was talking about yesterday. Brokeback was a pos.
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@Crimsonorblue22 the approps chair. I think it was about 5 years old at the time, so that would make it almost 10 now. Turns out it’s insanely expensive to get rid of Docking because the power plant for the Capitol complex is in the basement.
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@FarmerJayhawk did it smell really bad?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Life after flattening?:
@FarmerJayhawk did it smell really bad?
Not that I remember! It was eerie seeing all the vacant floors there though.
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@FarmerJayhawk I remember they couldn’t find a way to use it for some reason. Sure like to know who gave that away. What a waste!
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Hey if anyone wants to take delivery of 1000+ barrels of oil by May 1 at Edmund, Oklahoma you can have it for -$17 https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CL=F?p=CL=F&.tsrc=fin-srch
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@FarmerJayhawk hurts!
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yeah… they pay you $18/barrel to take the oil. That’s a good deal for someone who has some latent capacity… Of course, it’s crude, so it isn’t like you could use it without a refinery… Still, not good if you’re an oil baron.
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@bskeet Sorry we can’t cash in!
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Huge blow to ks economy
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However bad that is, the hit to agriculture and stock farmers might be equal. A piece on PBS Newshour showed farmers dredging lettuce and beans because they can’t get them to markets. Made me sick to see those crops being tilled.
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The sad truth is that because we don’t know enough about COVID-19, life after flattening may be a series of fits and starts as we get small flare ups in different locations.
We also don’t know what the long term consequences will be for those that were infected. Are we talking about long term lung damage that makes them more susceptible to other illnesses (asthma, pneumonia, bronchitis, etc.) in the future? Is there damage to other areas of the body due to the drop in oxygen (thinking specifically about brain, heart and kidney trauma, as those areas need oxygenated blood flow to function properly)?
And furthermore, what happens with the medical bills of those that were in ICU and intubated for a long time? That’s thousands of dollars per day in care. One of the leading causes of bankruptcy in America is medical debt. Are we going to see people filing for bankruptcy next year as a result of COVID-19 related bills? And that’s the people that survived!
We haven’t even covered those that lost their primary income because the breadwinner died (or is permanently unable to work) as a result of COVID-19. There have been 42,000 deaths so far. That’s thousands of families that will never be the same because they lost someone. There’s a unique story within each of those deaths that can’t be dismissed. Some families won’t be “getting back to normal” no matter what happens with restarting the economy because the people that were normally in their life aren’t here anymore.
I don’t know what this looks like going forward, but it isn’t going to be as simple as just flipping a switch.
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@justanotherfan But I thought all we have to do to get back to normal is to carry a sign demanding freedom from good sense, and then have Donald Trump issue a Captain Picard order: “Make it so.”
Geez, you mean life involves crap like science and knowledge and stuff?
NO! I WANT MY MAGA RALLIES!!!
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Speaking of science and stuff… https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2
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@benshawks08 shocker
dr trump!
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Don’t assume that people are idiots on their own @mayjay:
https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/i_simply_cannot_believe_that_people_are/fnstpyl/
^ Astroturfing campaigns going on to incite protesters.
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@approxinfinity It takes some stupid followers for anyone doing the reciting to be successful.
John Oliver covers these things almost weekly.
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https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/BFI_WP_202044.pdf
New paper from Uchicgao economist on Hannity watchers having higher death rates than Tucker Carlson viewers. Two conservative voices with qualitatively different messages from early Feb - early March (where the messages converged) …and different outcomes for the consumers.
If true, strong evidence that the decisions that people make are only as good as the information upon which those decisions are based.
This is NOT PEER REVIEWED, but appears to be dripping in rigor. 90 pages. I’m still slogging through it.
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@bskeet said in Life after flattening?:
https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/BFI_WP_202044.pdf
New paper from Uchicgao economist on Hannity watchers having higher death rates than Tucker Carlson viewers. Two conservative voices with qualitatively different messages from early Feb - early March (where the messages converged) …and different outcomes for the consumers.
If true, strong evidence that the decisions that people make are only as good as the information upon which those decisions are based.
This is NOT PEER REVIEWED, but appears to be dripping in rigor. 90 pages. I’m still slogging through it.
I’m somewhat skeptical of IV as an identification strategy but the results are interesting
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@FarmerJayhawk Yeah, the results of a study are only as good as the method
my memory of instrumental variable approach is fuzzy, so please share thoughts if you see something questionable… I’m assuming they implemented it properly… but not sure if there are concerns with the employment of that method (and if there was a better alternative.)
