Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@BShark that is complete BS and has been refuted since. Please disregard that article.
Link? I’m not surprised though. So much misinformation.
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@BShark I don’t have a link atm, can dig one up later. Family in health department.
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Didn’t know exactly where to post this BUT seeing as how it related to COVID thought well. - - - - The State of Kansas has now recorded it’s 1st positive case of the Corona Virus from a High School Football Athlete. - - Positive despite them using all the preventive measures. - - Temp checking , Social distancing , Disinfecting equipment , frequent washing of hands , using sanitizer.
Once it was found out positive the boy and ALL of his teammates were put in quarintee. - -The athlete is from Lost Springs Centre High in Marion County - - - little town , they play 8 man division 2 in football and 1 A in Basketball. - -This is not a good sign , could very easily turn into a cluster , and just solidifies even more the thought that the football Season could in the end end up being Cancelled - - disrupted or what ever - - same goes for the College ranks.
Also the number of Hospitalizations in Sedgwick Co has double with positive new cases and spiking
Also just today a few hours ago here in Topeka KNI a State Agency for the aging and disability reported 12 new cases of the Virus - -well they said AT LEAST 12 - -these are all signs that this thing is STILL really prevalent not going anywhere for awhile. - -WHO still predicting that 2nd wave come Sept. , which I don’t doubt for a minute and still wouldn’t surprise me when it’s all said and done that Public Schools will be doing on line. – KU already sending students to stay home after Thanksgiving and rest of fall break - -Public Schools I’m sure will follow suit. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 As a teacher the beginning of the school year seems destined to be an absolute mess. No one has any idea what to do. Feels like everyone is waiting around for something to happen or someone to tell them what to do. A good portion of my colleagues are part of the at-risk population so I don’t know how we ask them to step into buildings with 1600 students who have been all over the place all summer.
A fair number of my students live with grandparents in their homes, parents with other ailments that put them in the at risk population. How do those kids go sit in a classroom with 25 other students?
I know here our “online learning” was a mess from April-June so we better hope there is a better plan floating around somewhere. I’m doing all I can to prepare for the many alternatives I’ve been presented but none of them seem very good. And don’t get me wrong, I don’t know the answers either.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 As a teacher the beginning of the school year seems destined to be an absolute mess. No one has any idea what to do. Feels like everyone is waiting around for something to happen or someone to tell them what to do. A good portion of my colleagues are part of the at-risk population so I don’t know how we ask them to step into buildings with 1600 students who have been all over the place all summer.
A fair number of my students live with grandparents in their homes, parents with other ailments that put them in the at risk population. How do those kids go sit in a classroom with 25 other students?
I know here our “online learning” was a mess from April-June so we better hope there is a better plan floating around somewhere. I’m doing all I can to prepare for the many alternatives I’ve been presented but none of them seem very good. And don’t get me wrong, I don’t know the answers either.
I feel for ya , sad to say it’s probably going to continue to be a mess for at least awhile. New reports just coming out from a sports side. - - The NFL is talking seriously now if it hasn’t been done - -they are talking about they are now talking bout shutting down conditioning drills totally, where they can’t even workout with ONE other player - -no conditioning no nothing - - here we go again. - - The MLB also taking about shutting down everything to the virus - -the NBA not sure what they are going to do. - -Now like they said - - here is the good news IT’S JUN 22nd - official training suppose to start like in Aug - -but it just doesn’t sound good.
Like they said remember how from the sports side how this all started and caused a chain reaction ? - - ONE Player - -what name was it ? Rudy Gayle right from Seattle? - -what I’m trying to get at is - -just seems like this is wrapping up again - -lot’s of new cases, I can just see it coming
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@jayballer73 If a player from the Seattle SuperSonics has the virus this thing has been around for longer than anyone is letting on! Lol. I do know what you are talking about but can’t remember his name either. I think Rudy is right but not Gayle…
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Rudy gobert
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Rudy gobert
ya that’s it - - Thanks
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@BShark The “asymptomatic not contagious” thing was, as @approxinfinity says, debunked–at least insofar as that was a simplified statement. WHO withdrew it several days later.
As I understand it, the discussion apparently was supposed to be a distinction between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. Basically, a lot of people who spread it while supposedly asymptomatic apparently were really in either the earliest stages (before symptoms appeared) or their symptoms were so mild they did not get attributed to CoVid.
So the early reports in Feb-May that it could be spread by totally asymptomatic carriers were likely based on incomplete or preliminary assessments. Because of people’s failure to realize that isolated sneezes or coughs might be symptoms, the scientists now realize that (as always) more complete data is needed before they will be sure.
The release got screwed up and over simplified, obviously, as people thought it meant what your link said.
It has long been said that most scientists do not get enough training in how to disseminate information to the general public, and that unfortunately not enough science reporters have backgrounds in science.
If I got this wrong, hopefully someone can correct me.
https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/asymptomatic-vs-presymptomatic
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@mayjay Makes sense. A lot of people don’t take disease very seriously. I’m not saying to live in fear but don’t go out while sick, be sanitary and wash your hands regularly etc… When I started taking it more seriously I started getting sick a lot less (this was a few years back after what I think was the norovirus hit me hard).
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@mayjay thanks for the assist
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@BShark We first heard about noro when we got interested in cruising, but fortunately we haven’t had an outbreak on our four. Sounds pretty nasty!
Of course, cruising is on pause for an unknown while…
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I’m getting an antibody test this week. I get 2-3 colds per year, usually one in the fall, 1-2 in the winter. Almost never in summer. And they always follow the same pattern: sore throat -> head congestion -> cough. Had a weird bug last week. Cough -> like a day of head congestion -> cough. May have been covid so we’ll find out!
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@FarmerJayhawk Good luck. My wife got tested but I thought she’d be negative and was. Symptoms of allergies only!
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@FarmerJayhawk no fever? Is the antibody test pretty reliable and does insurance pay for it?
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@mayjay said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@BShark We first heard about noro when we got interested in cruising, but fortunately we haven’t had an outbreak on our four. Sounds pretty nasty!
Of course, cruising is on pause for an unknown while…
It was the worst virus I’ve ever had. There were two days that were a struggle to even move enough to get water. I’m not 100% sure that’s what it was as I don’t go to the Dr for viral infections, I just ride them out. Haven’t had much of anything since then and I’m hoping my good habits keep me clear of rona.
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@mayjay thanks! I think I’ll be negative but I kind of hope it was covid because it was a super mild case and then I can help out anyone who needs errands run or donate plasma.
@Crimsonorblue22 no fever, which was weird. I’d have to do more research on it to know for sure. I think the UNC hospital is doing them for free just to help out the community. If not, I’m sure either my insurance or student health plan will. One small pro of being a forever student lol
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@FarmerJayhawk sure hope it isn’t covid. I used to get sick more as well. Not sure on your living situation but cleaning of duct work is good or it hasn’t been done in awhile.
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Positive rate in Texas is up to 9%.
Pediatric hospitals are having to take adults in. They’re running out of ICU beds quickly.
Bleak situation.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Positive rate in Texas is up to 9%.
Pediatric hospitals are having to take adults in. They’re running out of ICU beds quickly.
Bleak situation.
Jeez.
Not sure we can just shut down the country again because of the greedlords in charge but this is awful.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Positive rate in Texas is up to 9%.
Pediatric hospitals are having to take adults in. They’re running out of ICU beds quickly.
Bleak situation.
We were also pretty much the first state to open back up. Here in Houston, we’re now under a mandatory mask order until the end of the month and I really wouldn’t be shocked if it gets extended. Off-season football conditioning began started up last week so I’m sure there’s going to be something similar to what we saw when college football teams regathered to begin their conditioning programs.
I’m torn on whether or not sports at the middle school level should be cancelled this year because 12-15 year old kids aren’t going to follow safety protocols the way they need to be followed and a lot of them live with people at higher risk for severe symptoms so there’s a safety element that’s a very strong reason to not do sports. Selfishly, not having sports would be over a 10% drop in income next year which is significant when you’re trying to save up for a house.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Positive rate in Texas is up to 9%.
Pediatric hospitals are having to take adults in. They’re running out of ICU beds quickly.
Bleak situation.
people wanting to rush back to re-open. and then after they did dropping lot of them anyways just dropping all restrictions. I understand people needing to get back to work but there were the WHO officals warning , and even now this virus is/has not gone away. - Sure work but you have to take precautions. - Many want to act as though this virus never took place
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@jayballer73 If only we had a more responsible government. That 1200 was never going to be able to hold over many people. Giving people the choice between potentially dying or going broke…hell of a choice.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 If only we had a more responsible government. That 1200 was never going to be able to hold over many people. Giving people the choice between potentially dying or going broke…hell of a choice.
for sure. - -Sounds like they are getting pretty close to another round of direct deposit stimulus. - -several options on the table but sounds like in the end it’s going to be pretty close to the other one we got with another 1,200
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The lockdowns are over, probably for good, no matter what policymakers decide. The public health folks shot their wad in tacitly endorsing the protests (it’s a good cause, don’t get me wrong, just very bad for public health during a pandemic). People will open their businesses, go to church, go out on the town, etc. because they sense the hypocrisy and won’t tolerate it. Can’t condemn churchgoers and endorse protests and expect everyone to fall in line. So we’ve kind of got what we’ve got at this point. Maybe something like a centralized test, trace, and quarantine program would work. Hotels aren’t being used like normal, so just put anyone with exposure up for 2 weeks. At least then the rooms will get used and we can prevent further spread.
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I know some restaurants in wichita have closed back up due to rising numbers. Afraid they will be forced to close. Businesses are trying to enforce mask wearing! Mass gatherings from mem. Day and graduations have raised numbers here in ks. Clusters. I know our school is getting together to read a huge plan that covers many options. I know there are many kids whose parents will keep them at home due to many health issues. It’s a mess! So many changes. All depends if we can lower numbers now, which depends on all of us.
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Riley Co just coming out with new health restrictions because of the spike in the Virus. New order goes into effect at 12:01 Wed and will remain in effect for 3 weeks at least. - -Here we go starting all over again.
South Korea becomes the 1st country to confirm 2nd wave of Corona Virus, Saudi Arabia , Iran , and other countries seeing 2nd spike of Corona Virus , just like the WHO has been predicting - -this thing is not over.
These States in such a dam hurry to re-open is a HUGE reason we are seeing a surge/spike now - - Florida , Texas , California , Oklahoma - -22 fricken states now showing spikes of the virus that is higher then any all time high of the 1st time through. Florida had 4,000 new cases -4,000that is insane ALL because they wanted to hurry and re-open and not follow any restrictions. - - you reap what you sow - -so don’t be so sure that in the end that there won’t yet be ANOTHER lockdown.
Trump Admin was at 1st saying or wanting to say/talk about this spike - - now they are confirming that it is more of a problem then they once thought why ? - -Because we had to rush back when we were being told this could very well be a big mistake by the WHO
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
The lockdowns are over, probably for good, no matter what policymakers decide. The public health folks shot their wad in tacitly endorsing the protests (it’s a good cause, don’t get me wrong, just very bad for public health during a pandemic). People will open their businesses, go to church, go out on the town, etc. because they sense the hypocrisy and won’t tolerate it. Can’t condemn churchgoers and endorse protests and expect everyone to fall in line. So we’ve kind of got what we’ve got at this point. Maybe something like a centralized test, trace, and quarantine program would work. Hotels aren’t being used like normal, so just put anyone with exposure up for 2 weeks. At least then the rooms will get used and we can prevent further spread.
Yeah, most people were pretty done with the lockdown anyway. All we can do at this point is look out for ourselves.
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Missouri 434 new cases in ONE DAY that is not slowing down
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K-State implementing mandatory face masks while on Campus. All Staff , students , faculty , & Visitors. Especially in Hallways, public spaces , classrooms , and other common area’s of campus buildings as well as not being able to maintain 6ft distancing
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I understand one of the key points of Bolton’s book coming out is that every single thing Trump does is motivated by how it will affect his reelection chances. Unfortunately, I think reopening early was a swing for the reelection fences @jayballer73 even if it was advised against.
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I don’t think we should shut back down.
I do think everyone should be Highly encouraged to wear a mask by all people in leadership positions. And I think we should do as much temperature taking as possible.
I just don’t feel like we did enough logistically while we were shut down to handle reopening when we did. But too late now.
I agree that you can’t cheer on protests and then criticize someone for going to a political rally without sounding hypocritical. Either it’s safe to gather or it isn’t.
I’m glad I pushed my wedding back. I know people in Florida who went to a wedding that had an outbreak.
I wonder if things would be different for Trumps polling if he had said to wear a mask and listen to professionals.
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@Kcmatt7 I’m not a fan of Obama but he was at least a grown up and would have handled this so much better.
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Health officials in Riley County/ Manhattan , are saying there are 2 Corona outbreaks in Manhattan - - - -The KSU Football team & Aggieville now CLOSED
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We can snuff it out in two or three months… starting whenever people start to care.
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@DanR I gave up on them.
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Donald Trump is a businessman and that’s how he approaches being the president is running the US like a business. Some results are beneficial to this as I’ve generally liked the trade deals he’s put in place or attempted to put in place and to try and deregulate in areas because I believe those would benefit the US long term.
Handling this pandemic from a business mindset is not beneficial because the mentality is to reopen as quickly as possible to minimize financial burdens on businesses to avoid bailing them out as much as possible, obviously some industries received bailouts and will likely be subsidized for the foreseeable future. Combine that mentality with not using federal power to regulate and enforce a shut down to and have everyone on the same page.
I think Trump is costing himself the election with his handling of Covid as even many within the Republican Party (at all levels) have been hesitant to fully support Trump’s Covid policies.
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All he had to do to win in a landslide was to start early on with emphasizing how important short term sacrifice was to long term success, and then follow through with quick and dramatic efforts to follow health officials advice. But that would have meant deferring to the judgment of others, and he is pathologically incapable of doing so.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Donald Trump is a businessman
Bullshit. Compared to what other successful business man or woman? Who would be his peers? What company would have that guy as their CEO right now. Seriously. LOL. Even the worst bosses like the DeBartolo family would laugh at the idea that Trump is a “businessman.” unless you mean grifter. I thought we were past that laughable point.
He’s a conman, second tier mafia wannabe, snake oil salesman, and, above all, malignant narcisist.
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@DanR said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Donald Trump is a businessman
Bullshit. Compared to what other successful business man or woman? Who would be his peers? What company would have that guy as their CEO right now. Seriously. LOL. Even the worst bosses like the DeBartolo family would laugh at the idea that Trump is a “businessman.” unless you mean grifter. I thought we were past that laughable point.
He’s a conman, second tier mafia wannabe, snake oil salesman, and, above all, malignant narcisist.
Just because you disagree with his morals and ethics doesn’t change the fact that Trump is a businessman. There’s plenty of businessmen out there who clawed their way to the top by doing a whole lot of illegal, unethical, and immoral deeds. This isn’t a trait exclusive to the right, it applies business leaders on both sides of the aisle unless you think noted liberal Mark Zuckerberg is a shining beacon or moral and ethics.
The list of people who became very successful and very wealthy in business being immoral and unethical is much longer than the people who do things the “right way”.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I think the bigger disagreement is whether as a businessman Trump can be considered successful. His bankruptcies, the fraudulent “university”, the fact that his wealth may be all boast with no depth, the dozens of lawsuits against him… all of those do not seem marks of success. There are some calculations suggesting the money his dad loaned him and his inheritance would have grown in value far more if it had just been put in interest-bearing accounts.
We might learn more if the Supreme Court decides his taxes must be produced.
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@mayjay said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think the bigger disagreement is whether as a businessman Trump can be considered successful. His bankruptcies, the fraudulent “university”, the fact that his wealth may be all boast with no depth, the dozens of lawsuits against him… all of those do not seem marks of success. There are some calculations suggesting the money his dad loaned him and his inheritance would have grown in value far more if it had just been put in interest-bearing accounts.
We might learn more if the Supreme Court decides his taxes must be produced.
I never mentioned anything about his successes or failures though so that’s not really relevant. My initial post was Trump is a businessman and that’s the mentality he’s using to run the country and that I believe some of his decisions in regards to trade and regulation will be beneficial in the long term to the US.
I also said that mentality is not good for a time like this with the pandemic because this is a situation where everyone needs to be on the same page and Trump’s mentality is counter to that. Trump is a capitalist and applying that mindset to the pandemic of letting each state handle it as they see fit and it’s not the right approach to take right now as there needs to clear direction from the top and he’s not doing that right now.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 He’s not a “capitalist” either. Capitalists know which side of the bread the butter is on. Name one CEO who is going down Trump’s Covid million lives death march. He’s a malignant narcissist. Koolaid drinkers are still lined up for more of this? Still? I don’t get it. Wake up.
What’s Zuckerberg have to do with this?
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@DanR said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Texas-Hawk-10 He’s not a “capitalist” either. Capitalists know which side of the bread the butter is on. Name one CEO who is going down Trump’s Covid million lives death march. He’s a malignant narcissist. Koolaid drinkers are still lined up for more of this? Still? I don’t get it. Wake up.
What’s Zuckerberg have to do with this?
If you bothered to take your blue colored glasses off, you would know that I’ve made quite a few posts of the past 3.5 years where I’ve specifically said I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 and have recently said I have no desire to vote for him this year either. I usually vote Libertarian, so keep assuming I’m drinking the Trump Kool aid. I’m also not so blind with hatred that I don’t acknowledge areas where I believe Trump has done well, which is mostly in economic areas in regards to trade deals and attempting to deregulate different industries. I also gave Obama credit in regards to some of his foreign deals and trying to the US out of the Middle East. I don’t care which side of the aisle someone is on, if they do something I like, I’ll give them credit for it.
This is my last response on the matter because you’re clearly too blinded by hatred to have rational and logical discussion on the matter.
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My point was that he fails as a businessman, and so I do not think he acts like one in approaching the presidency. I admit he has made lots of pro-business decisions, but those short term advances for business will have huge costs to the country in environment, health care, job security, living conditions in the cities, rural education, and relationships with other countries. The tax cut left us with years of huge deficits, and threw billions to his wealthy backers. Not to mention his decisions to destroy accountability in government spending by firing numerous inspectors general and interfering with investigations by DOJ. Sure, Wall Street responded, which means only that borrowing and spending without restraint will keep investors happy and make stocks go up. No preparing for any problems has left us grasping for solutions when a big one has come along.
And having looted American commerce as he did several companies, he will walk away while others have to pick up the pieces.
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If we were in such a rush to open (and many were) there should have been mandatory mask requirements in public. That would have allowed lots of businesses to reopen, while cutting down on infection spread. But somehow, people wanted to reopen quickly and not wear masks.
So we ended up here. Infection rates approaching the high of April, no vaccine and many businesses struggling to stay afloat because consumer confidence is low, so even though businesses are open, they are not getting enough customers to make things work. It was a bad strategy to begin with. You cannot reopen if people do not have basic confidence that they won’t get sick (or get someone close to them sick) just by going out into the world.
Masks could have helped prevent that. But apparently wearing a mask (which I do whenever I go out) is a sign of weakness and fear.
So prepare for many more waves until we get a vaccine because it won’t get any better until we take some serious proactive steps.
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@justanotherfan said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
If we were in such a rush to open (and many were) there should have been mandatory mask requirements in public. That would have allowed lots of businesses to reopen, while cutting down on infection spread. But somehow, people wanted to reopen quickly and not wear masks.
So we ended up here. Infection rates approaching the high of April, no vaccine and many businesses struggling to stay afloat because consumer confidence is low, so even though businesses are open, they are not getting enough customers to make things work. It was a bad strategy to begin with. You cannot reopen if people do not have basic confidence that they won’t get sick (or get someone close to them sick) just by going out into the world.
Masks could have helped prevent that. But apparently wearing a mask (which I do whenever I go out) is a sign of weakness and fear.
So prepare for many more waves until we get a vaccine because it won’t get any better until we take some serious proactive steps.
Couldn’t agree more. 1st , I’ve said this before & I’ll say it again. I fully get that we needed to get the economy re-opened quickly , but WHY could people not follow restrictions ? Sadly a lot of people once their State started to re-open just went full bore and threw all caution to the side. Some just to busy so they thought to be bothered with a mask.
Others just flat ass don’t give a dam thinking that the mask was a nuisance crimped their style or just thought that they were immune to contracting the Corona. Now just got through reading that where the Virus has came back/now spiking , the economy in this states are once again weakening / Like you say I think until we get a vaccine , this is a problem that we are going to CONTINUE to have issues with , sadly a lot of this could of been avoided if people would of used a little more caution, Still you have people like the Governor of Florida STILL refusing to put a mandatory order for masks even though the state hit a all time high of 5500 cases in one day - complete idiot.
Now hearing the White house say that maybe they didn’t take these spikes as seriously as they should have. The President making a crazy statement saying that People were wearing masks because they DIDN’T LIKE HIM ? - - - -WHAT ? -what kind of a knee jerk statement is that. ? I’ wore my make and STILL wearing my mask , not because I don’t like him , but I’m wearing to try and prevent from getting this dam thing.
24 States are now hitting all time highs with positive cases , and the WHO worried about big spikes/2nd waves coming in September & November, the bottom line is without a vaccine , it’s going to continue to get ugly.
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@justanotherfan I watched the kobach, Marshall, lundstrohm(sp?) debate last night. Oh my! Why is wearing masks so political? Marshall is a Dr! They pretty much skipped right over the virus questions.
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@jayballer73 the guy is a narcissistic idiot and can’t hide it any longer. He just can’t see the world without him in the center of the picture.
