RJ Hampton
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk You have done what many do when looking at material such as this. You have cited a section that is not intended to be used for eligibility, but a definitional section. It is a section to be used to define the an agent for NCAA purposes. This has nothing directly to do with whether the player would be ineligible. That is, whether the defined “agent” is acting on his behalf.
If you go further under that same section, it defines “family members.” too – 12.02.4 Family Member.A family member is an individual with any of the following relationships to the prospective student-athlete: spouse, parent or legal guardian, child, sibling, grandparent, domestic partner or any individual whose close association with the prospective student-athlete is the practical equivalent of a family relationship.
Like the agent, it’s just a definition.
But the definition of an agent goes to my point – it states that an agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly, represents … an individual …" So in this scenario, the only way on can do that is with authority. You can’t represent someone without some type of authority to do so.
I suspect you are extrapolating the “attempts to represent” as opposed to “represents” as applying to his dad, meaning if his dad attempts to represent him, then he’s an agent. Again, your citation for this purpose is not applicable.
If this is what you are doing, it is silly to suggest that RJ’s consent or knowledge isn’t need. Absurdity is sometimes demonstrated by absurdity. With that in mind, I could make RJ ineligible by trying to market and sell his services to the highest bidder. That would be without his authority. That is obviously not going to make him ineligible.
And in RJ’s case (as was in the case with Cecil Newton) the parent has some authority to act on behalf of the kid with or without his permission or knowledge. We literally just went through this with Silvio. Fenny acted on behalf of Silvio in a way he did not consent to according to both KU and the NCAA. Disagree if you want there, but those are the facts as agreed to. Rod Hampton has the same relationship with RJ. He can call up the NBL and agree to a contract and void RJ’s eligibility since he’s the parent representing RJ, with our without his consent. Your argument is a straw man.
There has to be an agreement in place to void amateurism. If you, Mr. HEM, were to call up the NBL and ask for money for RJ Hampton they’d be like wtf and hang up. RJ’s amateurism would not be affected. If Rod Hampton did that and fielded offers, RJ’s amateurism would also not be affected. But if Rod and the NBL enter into negotiations and agree to a deal, then amateurism would be affected, with or without RJ’s permission or knowledge. That’s the entire point of the NCAA closing the Cam Newton loophole. Fielding offers != agreeing to a deal. The former is not a violation, the latter is.
The NCAA found that in a few cases, parents or handlers had either accepted or agreed to accept impermissible benefits and couldn’t do anything about it because the rule said the player had to have knowledge and these third parties did not meet the definition of an agent. Since they closed the loophole, knowledge is not required and parents are now considered agents if they agree to accept benefits. Anytime a representative of the player accepts or agrees to accept money, it affects amateurism.
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Of note. Everyone’s clammed up at this point. The staff hasn’t been told anything.
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SMOKE SZN
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@FarmerJayhawk This is too intense lol, I gotta close twitter and the phog and be productive.
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BShark said:
SMOKE SZN
I really hate the 24 hours leading up to an announcement. Worst day I ever had covering KU was DeAndre Ayton Day. Once we heard he was announcing that afternoon we wrote up stories about him committing to KU and how he would fit with the roster. I slapped together a piece on him committing to the Wildcats since the other 2 finalists were Zona and UK just as a contingency since everyone we checked with thought KU until about an hour before the announcement when Matt told us Ayton had an unofficial to Zona the weekend before and bad things might have happened.
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If I had to pick now, it would be Australia.
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Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
Guy on the phog said he did that the day his old HS hoops coach was re-assigned from Little Elm.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
Guy on the phog said he did that the day his old HS hoops coach was re-assigned from Little Elm.
THAT HE DID
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FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I’m wrong, but it’d be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I’m wrong, but it’d be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
Had someone tell me today they think he’ll commit to KU tomorrow then bolt when the Aussie team sweetens the offer. So even if he does announce for KU tomorrow I’ll be nervous until he actually starts playing.
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@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133108316161363968
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BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133108316161363968
I know who is source is so that makes a lot of sense.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133108316161363968
I know who is source is so that makes a lot of sense.
Matt is my assumption. Edit: You know who I mean I assume, the other Matt.
Another older tweet on it: https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133105021749538816
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133108316161363968
I know who is source is so that makes a lot of sense.
Matt is my assumption.
Another older tweet on it: https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133105021749538816
What a shitshow.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I’m wrong, but it’d be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
Had someone tell me today they think he’ll commit to KU tomorrow then bolt when the Aussie team sweetens the offer. So even if he does announce for KU tomorrow I’ll be nervous until he actually starts playing.
So he’s probably just using the KU announcement tomorrow to get Australia to raise their offer then. And also probably why his 3 schools are Nike, Adidas, and UA - to see which will give him the most money. I’m depressed.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I’m wrong, but it’d be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
Had someone tell me today they think he’ll commit to KU tomorrow then bolt when the Aussie team sweetens the offer. So even if he does announce for KU tomorrow I’ll be nervous until he actually starts playing.
So he’s probably just using the KU announcement tomorrow to get Australia to raise their offer then. And also probably why his 3 schools are Nike, Adidas, and UA - to see which will give him the most money. I’m depressed.
It’s a possibility. I’m skeptical that’s what they’ll do but you never know I guess.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1133141177925033985
Aaaaand it’s gaining national traction
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@JAYHAWKFAN214 8:30AM EST, which is 7:30AM CST.
Except we’re in daylight savings, so it must be 7:30am CDT.
Time over space is confusing.
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BShark said:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1133141177925033985
Aaaaand it’s gaining national traction
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I’m not allowed to discuss a university student’s grades with a parent, without the student’s written permission. Doesn’t matter who is paying the bills. I’m pretty happy about that.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1133141177925033985
Aaaaand it’s gaining national traction
Alternatively…
I think what you mentioned earlier…announcing KU tomorrow and then overseas still being an option could be very real.
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Welp. Just when we thought we had something.
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tundrahok said:
I’m not allowed to discuss a university student’s grades with a parent, without the student’s written permission. Doesn’t matter who is paying the bills. I’m pretty happy about that.
Easy excuse to tell parents to buzz off if need be lol
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Zags hedging as well: https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1133149925238296576
This has waaaaay more traction than I would like to see.
@Woodrow 100% need Dotson back now and next year will be fine.
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This recruitment has never felt right. His final schools all seemed odd based on his want to play PG.
I bet he announces Memphis and goes overseas.
And then most of you need to probably be okay with the idea Grimes could legitimately be back.
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@Kcmatt7 I think Self would even be interested at this point but Grimes’ circle? I very much doubt it.
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BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 I think Self would even be interested at this point but Grimes’ circle? I very much doubt it.
At this point you have to think their agent is pleading with them to return.
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@tundrahok Sure. The point is it’s at 7:30.
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Just taking everything into account, how he loves KU and the coaching staff, how they have been on him from day one, how he is announcing on Get Up tomorrow morning and with his homeboy Jalen being on campus Thursday (probably accompanied by RJ) I think, like I said, that we are going to land both RJ and Wilson, but, man!, daddy is starting to make me real nervous, in a LaVar Ball kind of way. Oh well, guess we’d only have to put up with him for one year.
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BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 I think Self would even be interested at this point but Grimes’ circle? I very much doubt it.
Last info I have is pre-draft process, but they didn’t want any part of college. Let’s hope for a Malik Newman style change of heart sans transfer. I think Grimes could have a huge sophomore year if he gets his head on straight.
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@FarmerJayhawk as a pt?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I expect Dotson back.
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@FarmerJayhawk but, if grimes wants to come back and play pt…
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ajvan said:
So this is relevant
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk but, if grimes wants to come back and play pt…
I mean I’d take him over McBride
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk but, if grimes wants to come back and play pt…
I mean I’d take him over McBride
WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT DOTSON WILL BE THE PG PLEASE AND THANK YOU
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@BShark lol, accurate portrayal. Saw that!
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@FarmerJayhawk I’d have to see McBride first!
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk but, if grimes wants to come back and play pt…
I mean I’d take him over McBride
WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT DOTSON WILL BE THE PG PLEASE AND THANK YOU
THE BLOOD ISNT DRY OKAY
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk but, if grimes wants to come back and play pt…
I mean I’d take him over McBride
I’m twitter dumb. Is prison Mitch making fun of grimes and saying he wants to play point guard too?
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Imitating grimes skills
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Dont want either. I dont want to hear another word about Hampton if he goes overseas after this
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@BeddieKU23 Lavar errr Rod Hampton said he was “praying Devon Dotson stays in (the draft)”. I’m pretty off it.
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These egos have no place here
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Lavar errr Rod Hampton said he was “praying Devon Dotson stays in (the draft)”. I’m pretty off it.
RJ and Rod aren’t seeing eye to eye on this. RJ wants to play with Dotson at Kansas. Rod wants the opposite in about every way.
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Oh well KU will survive without.
