RJ Hampton
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Great point on the control parents have over minors … but in this case, RJ is an adult. He’s 18. So he’s the boss to the extent he insists on making his own decisions.
Unfortunately that’s not how the NCAA operates. Rod Hampton can call up the pro Australian league, agree to a deal, and RJ’s amateurism is over according to NCAA rules. It’s a garbage rule, but that’s what they did after Cam Newton’s ordeal (who also was over 18).
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Agent daddy ruins eligibility too.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Something to keep in mind. RJ’s dad can unilaterally make the decision here. The way the rules work, if a guardian agrees to a deal with a pro team, it’s the exact same as the player agreeing. If RJ announces he’s going pro on Tuesday, there’s a good chance it wasn’t his call.
RJ is legally an adult, so unless he has a signed document giving his dad power of attorney in matters such as these, Rod cannot legally make a decision on behalf of RJ.
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@FarmerJayhawk My view on this -
The key here is the same as it was in the Cam Newton deal. Does RJ have a verbal or written contract for his dad to act on his behalf? The fact that there was (allegedly) no verbal or written contract to act on Cam’s behalf, the NCAA set aside the suspension.
For example, if RJ’s mom is out there trying to “sell” RJ’s services, it’s irrelevant unless his mom has RJ’s authority (for this discussion, RJ is an adult).
In this situation, the only way he goes awry of NCAA rules is if there is a written contact with the pro team (of which RJ would need to sign, or his dad could sign if there was POA as @Texas-Hawk-10 mentioned), if RJ acknowledged that he had an oral agreement of agency with his dad (or a logic would dictate when defending your eligibilty, he didn’t deny it), or if he actually participated in the pro league.
So under your scenario, if RJ’s dad did “call up the pro Australian league (and) agree to a deal”, RJ’s amateurism is not over unless one of the examples above is met.
There are principles under the law of “actual authority” and “apparent authority.” Actual authority is where the consent to the agency relationship is given, oral or written. The parent acting for the child, in this situation where the child is an adult, would be one of “apparent authority” if there is no actual authority, which we presuming – the adult has done so in the past (acted on the child’s behalf), others can reasonably rely on it, there is no denial of authority by the child, etc.
@Texas-Hawk-10 You can give oral authority for one to act on your behalf. The difference in most every situation is proof. The reason you have a written document is proof. So if RJ made it known, or didn’t deny, his dad acting on his behalf, that would do it. One example under the law where a written agreement is required by the law is the transfer of real property.
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11 hours ago, @RJHampton14 tweeted “Biggest decision of my life.” Still undecided?
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@Gorilla72 I don’t think so.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 for amateurism purposes the law is irrelevant.
@HighEliteMajor the NCAA does not require RJ’s consent or knowledge, " … an agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly, represents or attempts to represent an individual for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation for financial gain or Seeks to obtain any type of financial gain or benefit from securing a prospective student-athlete’s enrollment at an educational institution or from a student-athlete’s potential earnings as a professional athlete.”
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7:30 AM CST announcement time.
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BShark said:
7:30 AM CST announcement time.
Let’s gooooooo
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BShark said:
7:30 AM CST announcement time.
He just announced on his Twitter account that hes announcing at 8:30am
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 8:30AM EST, which is 7:30AM CST.
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@FarmerJayhawk You have done what many do when looking at material such as this. You have cited a section that is not intended to be used for eligibility, but a definitional section. It is a section to be used to define the an agent for NCAA purposes. This has nothing directly to do with whether the player would be ineligible. That is, whether the defined “agent” is acting on his behalf.
If you go further under that same section, it defines “family members.” too – 12.02.4 Family Member.A family member is an individual with any of the following relationships to the prospective student-athlete: spouse, parent or legal guardian, child, sibling, grandparent, domestic partner or any individual whose close association with the prospective student-athlete is the practical equivalent of a family relationship.
Like the agent, it’s just a definition.
But the definition of an agent goes to my point – it states that an agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly, represents … an individual …" So in this scenario, the only way on can do that is with authority. You can’t represent someone without some type of authority to do so.
I suspect you are extrapolating the “attempts to represent” as opposed to “represents” as applying to his dad, meaning if his dad attempts to represent him, then he’s an agent. Again, your citation for this purpose is not applicable.
If this is what you are doing, it is silly to suggest that RJ’s consent or knowledge isn’t need. Absurdity is sometimes demonstrated by absurdity. With that in mind, I could make RJ ineligible by trying to market and sell his services to the highest bidder. That would be without his authority. That is obviously not going to make him ineligible.
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@BShark I still think it would be weird for him to go onto ESPN to announce Australia. ESPN wouldn’t care that he’s going to play in Australia.
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And presumably ESPN has some info about his decision - maybe that he’s announcing for a university rather than overseas, even if they don’t know which university.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Right … but I was also thinking that the substance of what he announces may not be important. It’s that more people watch than normal.
But going to Australia is bigger news and a bigger discussion. Going to KU probably isn’t beyond a blip that day.
Going to Australia let’s the talking heads talk more.
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@HighEliteMajor Sure, it gives them something to talk about for that day, but not a lot to talk about after that. ESPN doesn’t show highlights of pro ball in Australia. They aren’t going to talk about how RJ is doing in Australia. It seems odd to go on a network and announce that you’re going somewhere where that network will ignore you.
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It seems like RJ and his Dad may not agree on the best place for RJ.
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Oh boy. That would be a huge blow.
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Woodrow said:
Oh boy. That would be a huge blow.
Absolutely. We definitely can’t blame the coaching staff on it though.
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It makes it concerning to me that Daddy wants to get so involved.
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I thought someone on here said that Self was in Australia Friday. The same day as SDSs verdict came in and the same day RJ tweeted his commitment date. Maybe UA and Addidas we’re working something out. Or I’m over thinking as usual
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Self was in fact down in Australia.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk You have done what many do when looking at material such as this. You have cited a section that is not intended to be used for eligibility, but a definitional section. It is a section to be used to define the an agent for NCAA purposes. This has nothing directly to do with whether the player would be ineligible. That is, whether the defined “agent” is acting on his behalf.
If you go further under that same section, it defines “family members.” too – 12.02.4 Family Member.A family member is an individual with any of the following relationships to the prospective student-athlete: spouse, parent or legal guardian, child, sibling, grandparent, domestic partner or any individual whose close association with the prospective student-athlete is the practical equivalent of a family relationship.
Like the agent, it’s just a definition.
But the definition of an agent goes to my point – it states that an agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly, represents … an individual …" So in this scenario, the only way on can do that is with authority. You can’t represent someone without some type of authority to do so.
I suspect you are extrapolating the “attempts to represent” as opposed to “represents” as applying to his dad, meaning if his dad attempts to represent him, then he’s an agent. Again, your citation for this purpose is not applicable.
If this is what you are doing, it is silly to suggest that RJ’s consent or knowledge isn’t need. Absurdity is sometimes demonstrated by absurdity. With that in mind, I could make RJ ineligible by trying to market and sell his services to the highest bidder. That would be without his authority. That is obviously not going to make him ineligible.
And in RJ’s case (as was in the case with Cecil Newton) the parent has some authority to act on behalf of the kid with or without his permission or knowledge. We literally just went through this with Silvio. Fenny acted on behalf of Silvio in a way he did not consent to according to both KU and the NCAA. Disagree if you want there, but those are the facts as agreed to. Rod Hampton has the same relationship with RJ. He can call up the NBL and agree to a contract and void RJ’s eligibility since he’s the parent representing RJ, with our without his consent. Your argument is a straw man.
There has to be an agreement in place to void amateurism. If you, Mr. HEM, were to call up the NBL and ask for money for RJ Hampton they’d be like wtf and hang up. RJ’s amateurism would not be affected. If Rod Hampton did that and fielded offers, RJ’s amateurism would also not be affected. But if Rod and the NBL enter into negotiations and agree to a deal, then amateurism would be affected, with or without RJ’s permission or knowledge. That’s the entire point of the NCAA closing the Cam Newton loophole. Fielding offers != agreeing to a deal. The former is not a violation, the latter is.
The NCAA found that in a few cases, parents or handlers had either accepted or agreed to accept impermissible benefits and couldn’t do anything about it because the rule said the player had to have knowledge and these third parties did not meet the definition of an agent. Since they closed the loophole, knowledge is not required and parents are now considered agents if they agree to accept benefits. Anytime a representative of the player accepts or agrees to accept money, it affects amateurism.
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Of note. Everyone’s clammed up at this point. The staff hasn’t been told anything.
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SMOKE SZN
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@FarmerJayhawk This is too intense lol, I gotta close twitter and the phog and be productive.
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BShark said:
SMOKE SZN
I really hate the 24 hours leading up to an announcement. Worst day I ever had covering KU was DeAndre Ayton Day. Once we heard he was announcing that afternoon we wrote up stories about him committing to KU and how he would fit with the roster. I slapped together a piece on him committing to the Wildcats since the other 2 finalists were Zona and UK just as a contingency since everyone we checked with thought KU until about an hour before the announcement when Matt told us Ayton had an unofficial to Zona the weekend before and bad things might have happened.
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If I had to pick now, it would be Australia.
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Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
Guy on the phog said he did that the day his old HS hoops coach was re-assigned from Little Elm.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
Guy on the phog said he did that the day his old HS hoops coach was re-assigned from Little Elm.
THAT HE DID
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FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I’m wrong, but it’d be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I’m wrong, but it’d be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
Had someone tell me today they think he’ll commit to KU tomorrow then bolt when the Aussie team sweetens the offer. So even if he does announce for KU tomorrow I’ll be nervous until he actually starts playing.
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@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133108316161363968
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BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133108316161363968
I know who is source is so that makes a lot of sense.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133108316161363968
I know who is source is so that makes a lot of sense.
Matt is my assumption. Edit: You know who I mean I assume, the other Matt.
Another older tweet on it: https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133105021749538816
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133108316161363968
I know who is source is so that makes a lot of sense.
Matt is my assumption.
Another older tweet on it: https://twitter.com/mctait/status/1133105021749538816
What a shitshow.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I’m wrong, but it’d be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
Had someone tell me today they think he’ll commit to KU tomorrow then bolt when the Aussie team sweetens the offer. So even if he does announce for KU tomorrow I’ll be nervous until he actually starts playing.
So he’s probably just using the KU announcement tomorrow to get Australia to raise their offer then. And also probably why his 3 schools are Nike, Adidas, and UA - to see which will give him the most money. I’m depressed.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I’m wrong, but it’d be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
Had someone tell me today they think he’ll commit to KU tomorrow then bolt when the Aussie team sweetens the offer. So even if he does announce for KU tomorrow I’ll be nervous until he actually starts playing.
So he’s probably just using the KU announcement tomorrow to get Australia to raise their offer then. And also probably why his 3 schools are Nike, Adidas, and UA - to see which will give him the most money. I’m depressed.
It’s a possibility. I’m skeptical that’s what they’ll do but you never know I guess.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1133141177925033985
Aaaaand it’s gaining national traction
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@JAYHAWKFAN214 8:30AM EST, which is 7:30AM CST.
Except we’re in daylight savings, so it must be 7:30am CDT.
Time over space is confusing.
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BShark said:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1133141177925033985
Aaaaand it’s gaining national traction
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I’m not allowed to discuss a university student’s grades with a parent, without the student’s written permission. Doesn’t matter who is paying the bills. I’m pretty happy about that.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1133141177925033985
Aaaaand it’s gaining national traction
Alternatively…
I think what you mentioned earlier…announcing KU tomorrow and then overseas still being an option could be very real.
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Welp. Just when we thought we had something.
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tundrahok said:
I’m not allowed to discuss a university student’s grades with a parent, without the student’s written permission. Doesn’t matter who is paying the bills. I’m pretty happy about that.
Easy excuse to tell parents to buzz off if need be lol
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Zags hedging as well: https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1133149925238296576
This has waaaaay more traction than I would like to see.
@Woodrow 100% need Dotson back now and next year will be fine.
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This recruitment has never felt right. His final schools all seemed odd based on his want to play PG.
I bet he announces Memphis and goes overseas.
And then most of you need to probably be okay with the idea Grimes could legitimately be back.
