Sean Miller & Will Wade to be Subpoenaed at upcoming Trial
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I disagree with your opinion on Gassnola, but I did not suggest that you said SDS should be cleared. I just added to your comments.
I wonder why his memory would be spotty only with regard to coaches? Perhaps that would have compromised Gatto’s conviction.
So, regarding your last comment — it’s been made in some manner or form by a lot of folks. You this believe Self blatantly lied in November?
@FarmerJayhawk There is no set penalty schedule, including for such blatant violations. You could also include the $60K from UA.
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@HighEliteMajor I believe Self has no knowledge of the specifics on the dealings between runners and the players/guardians because he wants to keep plausible deniability of potential violations. I believe he has always known it has gone on does what he can to not be directly involved so he can claim innocence.
I do believe Self when he says that he has never cheated at KU l, specifically himself, and has no knowledge of cheating because he doesn’t want to be told of what it takes to bring players in. I believe this is how most coaches deal with this issue, essentially burying their heads in the sand to keep themselves from being directly responsible.
I’m also not arguing that Gassnola is a high character person because I don’t believe that. What I do believe to be true in most cases is that after a person has already plead guilty to charges and still testifies, he has very little reason to lie under oath. Guys who plead not guilty do have more reason to lie by deflecting blame off of themselves the way Gatto and Dawkins did in their trials.
Most people consider Jose Canseco to be a scummy person, but he was proven to be right about a lot of things regarding steroids in baseball during the 90’s.
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@HighEliteMajor there are, the NCAA just doesn’t follow them.
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@FarmerJayhawk I’m unaware of a penalty schedule — meaning a certain amount of games vs dollars paid a player. Each is a case by case basis I thought. But if you have something contrary, let me know.
http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-penalties
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think your summary may be close to the truth regarding Self. It is a sad commentary in my opinion. I perhaps had a naive view of our coach before this.
I would suggest that that witness for the prosecution, via a plea deal, has great motivation to stick to the prosecutor’s narrative. Or risks further consequences as part of the deal.
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Talk today in the trial about an obscene number of college football players being paid between 2010-2014. I FOR ONE AM TOTALLY SHOCKED.
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BShark said:
Talk today in the trial about an obscene number of college football players being paid between 2010-2014. I FOR ONE AM TOTALLY SHOCKED.
No way. You have be joking!!!
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@BShark - where did you see this? Link?
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I’m stunned I tell you. Stunned. https://twitter.com/pinepaula/status/1121120828459036674?s=21
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So maybe Miller won’t survive after all…
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Matt Norlander tweeted that the prosecution would again ask the judge to allow Miller to testify. I’d love to hear the tapes!
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Not a soul clean in CBB.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Not a soul clean in CBB.
Lol at ANYONE that thought Izzo was just getting DUDES and they weren’t paid.
And yeah recruiting is about relationships.
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Kcmatt7 said:
NO ! ! ! ! 1 - - not MR excuse me - -squeaky clean - -TOM IZZO - -SURELY NOT? lmao - that would mean - -drum roll please - -everybody’s all American COACH - - - - umm - - umm - why yes - -also plays games lmao
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Kcmatt7 said:
Not a soul clean in CBB.
NOBODY - - -AGAIN NOBODY just close it down lol
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Not a soul clean in CBB.
Lol at ANYONE that thought Izzo was just getting DUDES and they weren’t paid.
And yeah recruiting is about relationships.
just said myself - - WHAAAAAAA? - -OL TOMMY? - - SURELY NOT - -does that mean his hand got caught in the candy jar - -FULL of Money lmao
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After reading 3-4 stories on what happened yesterday I don’t see how Miller doesn’t get fired. Nothing in college athletics surprises me but I think Miller will be fired when this is all over.
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I had the same thoughts. I’m sure this gets spinned real quick. If he takes the stand I wonder how much he’s willing to lie to protect himself
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These stories well the one I read from Adam Zagoria this morning sounds like Miller and Richardson are in a would of S- - - .
Talks about how he was bragging about his relationship between Miller and himself. - -Talking about how Miller like taking care of things himself. - That he was taking care of Ayton.
In a secret recorded Video on June 6th 2017 was with Dawkins talking about how he planned to Pay Richardson & have a business arrangement between him and Miller.
Dawkins talking about how Richardson was worth paying 4,000 a month feeling he was worth that - because Arizona had the # 1 draft pick in Ayton and always having top notch players… - At least 13 phones calls between Miller and Dawkins from May of 2017 to June of 2017 - - - - -major of those calls took place in May. - Dawkins connected with Richardson at least 16 times from May 5th 2017 - - -to June 16th 2017.
Prosecution introduced a series of Text Messages from Dawkins with the header: - - These are my MAIN guys - -Sean Miller & Book Richardson. Richardson followed that up with names of: - -Rick Pitino ( Louisville ) - - - -Tom Izzo ( Michigan State ) - - - - Will Wade ) LSU )- - - -Marvin Menzies ( Former UNLV )
Dawkins list also included , check these out other Schools : - - Michigan - - - -Cleveland State - - Texas - - -Depaul - - -Creighton - - USC - - - Oregon - - NC State - - -Miami - - & Illinois
This thing just getting started - -Arizona in a WORLD of hurt. - -Nobody Innocent - -before it’s all said and done - -many many more gonna be brought out - -you watch. - what is the NCAA gonna do penalize EVERY School that’s in the NCAA?
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Doesn’t sound like Miller is going to have to testify.
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Woodrow said:
Doesn’t sound like Miller is going to have to testify.
Oh I would have to disagree with that a lot. - - - In this article yesterday has said the Judge said he could change his mind of that a few days back when he made that ruling. - -Now with this secret video with Dawkins saying in the video the things he said. - I would be willing to bet almost anything Miller will have to take the stand - -this is going to get real interesting - - ya you watch - -he gonna end up testifying - to much DAMAGE - -he has got to try and dispute and plug the leak in the Dam that’s about ready to burst on his Parade
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The judge didn’t change his mind today but did mention writing a written petition for it
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@jayballer73 the judge said this morning he’s not changing his mind . So I assume he’s not testifying .
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BeddieKU23 said:
The judge didn’t change his mind today but did mention writing a written petition for it
ya Emphasis on " NOT TODAY " it’s coming
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The judge didn’t change his mind today but did mention writing a written petition for it
ya Emphasis on " NOT TODAY " it’s coming
We’ll see if they do file the motion after today’s proceedings.
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IT’S GETTING JUICY!!!
Matt Norlander has tweeted about Steve Smith assistant coach at Clemson discussing potential payments to Zion Williamson.
Also USC’s Tony Bland on tape discussing payments to lure Marvin Bagley Jr.
Hilarious how both ended up at Duke for FREE RIGHT??? RIGHT???
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"Christian Dawkins who was in Las Vegas hotel room caught on video wire tap discussing Zion recruitment: "Duke is gonna have their resources. “UNC is UNC. Kenutcky is gonna have their resources”
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Under Oath Marty Blazer said he understood Dawkins to be saying “Duke, UNC & Kentucky will have people in place to pay whatever’s necessary for Zion Williamson. Whatever Zion’s family needed, we would be able to step in and (help with money) if it was close”
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Sounds like Norlander will reveal much more later after court breaks for the day. Wow.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Sounds like Norlander will reveal much more later after court breaks for the day. Wow.
Surely NOT these Schools - - has to be a mistake lmao
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All good news. The more blue bloods in the muck, the more likely the NCAA doesn’t target us as an example (when others would suffer the same fate).
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@HighEliteMajor Until there are text messages coming from K, Roy, or Cal like Selfs, we are still prime target #1.
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https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1121456883297079297
This is absurd.
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Not a word about this on the Duke board.
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@Kcmatt7 They think K and there program are both invincible, and I don’t blame them.
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BeddieKU23 said:
IT’S GETTING JUICY!!!
Matt Norlander has tweeted about Steve Smith assistant coach at Clemson discussing potential payments to Zion Williamson.
Also USC’s Tony Bland on tape discussing payments to lure Marvin Bagley Jr.
Hilarious how both ended up at Duke for FREE RIGHT??? RIGHT???
I think Nike paid Bagley’s dad to coach an AAU team or something. Which is fine for some reason.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BeddieKU23 said:
IT’S GETTING JUICY!!!
Matt Norlander has tweeted about Steve Smith assistant coach at Clemson discussing potential payments to Zion Williamson.
Also USC’s Tony Bland on tape discussing payments to lure Marvin Bagley Jr.
Hilarious how both ended up at Duke for FREE RIGHT??? RIGHT???
I think Nike paid Bagley’s dad to coach an AAU team or something. Which is fine for some reason.
Yea JJs mom was his AAU coach if I recall correctly… Very very likely that’s how money was funneled to him. At least, one avenue.
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I’m sorry to be broken record on this, but if we are the sole target, if we are the ones that are penalized, we should burn it all down. We know where the bodies are. We should sing like canaries and implicate everyone we can. On the other hand, perhaps we lose some scholarships for the SDS matter, some recruiting limits, and we move down the road.
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@HighEliteMajor With what evidence? Burn it all down with what? You keep saying it, but I don’t see how we could possibly burn it all down considering the NCAA does not have subpoena powers. Our coaches wouldn’t want to implicate themselves in anything illegal.
How do you propose we burn it down?
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@Kcmatt7 We know who got what, we know what Zion got, we know the details. We have the info on any top player. We know the contacts, we know what was suggested to us, we know what we deal failed to meet to get a player. We trying to get deals done. We know what parent got what job, or what house, or what benefits. We are one of the biggest players in the game. Self knows. KT knows. You think that Adidas didn’t let us know what Nike was up to? All assuming that the premise that all of this is wide-spread and rampant is true. Time to break the mafia like code of silence (again, under this narrative).
The NCAA can investigate, and force coaches to cooperate, or get hit for the failing to cooperate. The NCAA does have subpoena like power to member institutions.
This would be in part a publicity item, to apply pressure.
Or we can take it up the a** while others skate in a scheme that, under this theory, covered most of CBB? Not me.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 We know who got what, we know what Zion got, we know the details. We have the info on any top player. We know the contacts, we know what was suggested to us, we know what we deal failed to meet to get a player. We trying to get deals done. We know what parent got what job, or what house, or what benefits. We are one of the biggest players in the game. Self knows. KT knows. You think that Adidas didn’t let us know what Nike was up to? All assuming that the premise that all of this is wide-spread and rampant is true. Time to break the mafia like code of silence (again, under this narrative).
The NCAA can investigate, and force coaches to cooperate, or get hit for the failing to cooperate. The NCAA does have subpoena like power to member institutions.
This would be in part a publicity item, to apply pressure.
Or we can take it up the a** while others skate in a scheme that, under this theory, covered most of CBB? Not me.
This is a pipe dream that’s not based anywhere in reality.
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@jayballer73 Doubtful, my man. Even the NCAA - what was it that the Boz called them, National Communists Against Athletes? - couldn’t be that stupid. They would have to bring down all of college basketball and football.
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@BeddieKU23 No way, Coach K wouldn’t do such a thing Lol.
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Hated Arizona for Josiah Turner (cough BUST) and Tarczewski (useless, stone hands) but what I hate about them the most are the fans that follow them. And man did they like talking sht about Kansas paying players…Welp
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Marco said:
@BeddieKU23 No way, Coach K wouldn’t do such a thing Lol.
I know I take it back. I would never want to assume the obvious
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@CoreyBill Where is the heck do you run into Arizona fans? I’ve never met a single one in KS, other than my grandparents, whom live in the Tucson area, I’ve never even seen anyone claim to be an Arizona fan. My grandparents pull for the Jayhawks too, but think Stumpy is clean as of last year…
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@dylan it’s a joke from the old theshiver vs PGU days. Old school internet trolling nonsense. No different than fans on twitter nowadays. D Seedy underbelly of the fan base used to infiltrate our boards constantly. 7 or 8 years later, it all seems pretty silly
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CoreyBill said:
Hated Arizona for Josiah Turner (cough BUST) and Tarczewski (useless, stone hands) but what I hate about them the most are the fans that follow them. And man did they like talking sht about Kansas paying players…Welp
We lost Turner but that led to us landing Tharpe … perhaps the classic no win situation.
Tarc? Uh, LL.
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CoreyBill said:
@dylan it’s a joke from the old theshiver vs PGU days. Old school internet trolling nonsense. No different than fans on twitter nowadays. D Seedy underbelly of the fan base used to infiltrate our boards constantly. 7 or 8 years later, it all seems pretty silly
Oh jeez, I remember that. That was right about when they got on a recruiting roll and we were in the doldrums. And then 2013 happened and all was well again before 247 bought The Shiver.
