Sean Miller & Will Wade to be Subpoenaed at upcoming Trial
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We are going to be the only team that suffers from this some way some how
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âThe evidence establishes very clearly that Sean Miller is paying players at Arizona," Haney said during Friday morningâs hearing.
When asked by reporters following the hearing about that statement, Haney said, âYouâll have to be here to hear the evidence.â
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I hope itâs as damning as that indicates.
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BullshitâŚ
Yet Self and Townsend get screwed? And the NCAA uses all the Adidas desperate claims against KU coaches?
KU must fight this and Emmert needs to resign. He is a joke for college b-ball. Heâs creating a mess and the courts will not allow any of the FBI evidence against the remaining programs?
And Silvio didnât play. He was also declared ineligible and likely will not be overturned? Bray is concerned about credibility? Sorry, youâre all a bunch cheating idiots. Coach K is the biggest cheat of all. Duke lawyers are protecting the Duke program, and doing a damn good job too. No investigation and ineligibility against Zion? Yet Silvio gets screwed?
This is a farce and a joke.
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@truehawk93 Silvio did play ⌠helping us to a FF. But youâre right, something better happen on the Zion/Duke front.
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@HighEliteMajor He didnât play a game and will likely not play another game in a KU uniform because the so-called NCAA canât seem to get their information and clearinghouse figured.
Heâs eligibleâŚ
NoâŚheâs not eligibleâŚ
WaitâŚheâs not only ineligible this year, heâs ineligible next year too.
Wow, what a bunch of morons that have no clue how to treat student athletes. They are not credible at all and I donât trust them at all.
Wait, Zion was named in the Grand Jury pay for play? Oh well, letâs just ignore that little information and oh by the way, letâs not even investigate. Letâs let Zion play and take Duke deep in the tourney. - NCAA
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@truehawk93 Iâm sorry, but if SDS took $20,000 as Gatto admitted, then heâs getting exactly what he deserves. The term âSDSâ includes his agent ⌠er, guardian.
The NCAA provides student athletes more opportunity than any other forum in the world. What would a rower, or softball player, or swimmer, or wrestler, etc do otherwise? Add in 95+% of golfers, BB, baseball, tennis, and football players, and the NCAA provides them free (or partially free) education and unparalleled opportunities to compete in the sports they love.
Are you really this unaware of what the NCAA does, or just so hyper focused on our little CBB world that you donât care about the accuracy of what you say?
If SDS took the $20,000, we should be ashamed that KU is appealing this and making a mockery of the rules. In such a case we should just move on â instead weâre investing further resources into a cheater.
Self said in November that he was not aware of any improper benefits ever provided by third parties to his players. Well, his trusted recruiting partner, Mr. Gatto, said he paid SDS $20,000 to come to KU. So Mr. Plausible Deniability knows of that now. Yet we fight to get that player eligible? Embarrassing in my opinion.
Oh, and he got $2,500 cash from a KU recruiting partner and just donated it to charity? You know, because he wanted to make sure SDS didnât violate any rules. Right.
According to Falmagne, this is all made up? Thatâs what youâd have to believe. Unreal.
Gatto is going to prison.
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@HighEliteMajor I trust Gattoâs testimony as far as I could throw him. Gatto was going to say what he needed to say to claim he didnât defraud KU which is why he was on trial.
TJ Gassnola is the one whose testimony I trust because he wasnât trying to prove his innocence. Gassnola testified that he didnât make the $20,000 payment because the investigation was announced before Gassnola could make the payment.
I also donât see Silvio ever getting cleared because the reason for the $20,000 payment that Gassnola said was never made was because of a $60,000 payment from Under Armour.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I understand why you might think that on Gatto.
But do you understand that Gassnnola was a cooperating witness for the prosecution that offered testimony so he was not prosecuted?
From reports on the trial â âGassnola was testifying for the prosecution to try to avoid prison, he acknowledged.â A touch of motivation there I would think ⌠they went after the Adidas exec. And Gatto didnât testify, so you donât have to trust his testimony. It was a stipulation made by his attorney to the facts alleged by the prosecution. Maybe you donât trust that, and thatâs fine.
Our stand up guy Gassnola, testifying against a âgreat friendâ to save his own skin.
On Gassnola, âAt one point, one defense attorney informed Gassnola he had said âI donât rememberâ or âI donât recallâ more than 20 times and reminded him he was under oath.â Also â âGassnola had a larceny conviction in his 20s for writing bad checks. There was an assault charge, later dropped, in which a man claimed Gassnola had pointed a gun at him and boasted of friends in the local mob. There were also âfive or sixâ civil judgments, Gassnola admitted, including one for misleading buyers in a real estate deal. And then there was money he owed the IRS â at least $60,000, Gassnola said.â Further, âIn 2012, the NCAA banned Gassnola from any involvement with âcertified eventsâ â youth tournaments college coaches can attend. He briefly lost his Adidas sponsorship, until Jim Gatto, a friend of Millerâs who worked in the companyâs basketball marketing division, intervened.â
More from Gassnola testify against the guy that intervened to help him â " âAppreciate u man more than you will ever know maybe I donât say it enough your my manâ, Jim, Gassnola wrote. âJimmy was right there for me,â Gassnola explained. âHe was a great friend.â Is that how you felt about Mr. Gatto? the prosecutor asked as Gassnolaâs former boss at Adidas â a 48-year-old father of two with no prior criminal record â sat feet away, stone-faced, staring straight ahead. âStill doâ, Gassnola said."
More on Gassnola â In 2016, Gassnola said, he learned that Kansas recruit Billy Prestonâs mother, Nicole Player, was taking money from other âentitiesâ interested in her sonâs talents. Concerned that these other people, whom he didnât identify, would be âsloppyâ and get Prestonâs mother caught, Gassnola made her an offer: Stop taking money from everyone else, and Adidas would pay her what she needed. Over the next year, Gassnola testified, he paid Prestonâs mother $89,000, in installments. In November 2016, Gassnola took out $50,000, gave $30,000 to Player and used some of the remaining $20,000 to buy Super Bowl tickets for himself and some colleagues at Adidas, he said. Two months later, he took out another $27,500 and gave $20,000 to Player. A prosecutor asked Gassnola what he did with the remaining $7,500. âI kept it in my pocket and went shopping,â Gassnola testified."
Good grief, the guy stole $7,500 from Adidas to go shopping, and deceived his âgreat friend.â
This is the man that Bill Self (Mr. PD - Plausible Deniability) partnered with to get recruits. This should really cause everyone great pause.
Going with your thoughts ⌠âbecause of a $60,000 payment from Under Armour.â As you noted, SDS got money. The fact that the $60,000 payment was made, whether it was to go to MD or KU, created the same âfraudâ, as SDS would be just as ineligible to play at KU regardless of whether the payment was made by UA to go to MD, or Adidas to go to KU.
How can a kid that took money like that every play CBB?
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I understand why you might think that on Gatto.
But do you understand that Gassnnola was a cooperating witness for the prosecution that offered testimony so he was not prosecuted?
From reports on the trial â âGassnola was testifying for the prosecution to try to avoid prison, he acknowledged.â A touch of motivation there I would think ⌠they went after the Adidas exec. And Gatto didnât testify, so you donât have to trust his testimony. It was a stipulation made by his attorney to the facts alleged by the prosecution. Maybe you donât trust that, and thatâs fine.
Our stand up guy Gassnola, testifying against a âgreat friendâ to save his own skin.
On Gassnola, âAt one point, one defense attorney informed Gassnola he had said âI donât rememberâ or âI donât recallâ more than 20 times and reminded him he was under oath.â Also â âGassnola had a larceny conviction in his 20s for writing bad checks. There was an assault charge, later dropped, in which a man claimed Gassnola had pointed a gun at him and boasted of friends in the local mob. There were also âfive or sixâ civil judgments, Gassnola admitted, including one for misleading buyers in a real estate deal. And then there was money he owed the IRS â at least $60,000, Gassnola said.â Further, âIn 2012, the NCAA banned Gassnola from any involvement with âcertified eventsâ â youth tournaments college coaches can attend. He briefly lost his Adidas sponsorship, until Jim Gatto, a friend of Millerâs who worked in the companyâs basketball marketing division, intervened.â
More from Gassnola testify against the guy that intervened to help him â " âAppreciate u man more than you will ever know maybe I donât say it enough your my manâ, Jim, Gassnola wrote. âJimmy was right there for me,â Gassnola explained. âHe was a great friend.â Is that how you felt about Mr. Gatto? the prosecutor asked as Gassnolaâs former boss at Adidas â a 48-year-old father of two with no prior criminal record â sat feet away, stone-faced, staring straight ahead. âStill doâ, Gassnola said."
More on Gassnola â In 2016, Gassnola said, he learned that Kansas recruit Billy Prestonâs mother, Nicole Player, was taking money from other âentitiesâ interested in her sonâs talents. Concerned that these other people, whom he didnât identify, would be âsloppyâ and get Prestonâs mother caught, Gassnola made her an offer: Stop taking money from everyone else, and Adidas would pay her what she needed. Over the next year, Gassnola testified, he paid Prestonâs mother $89,000, in installments. In November 2016, Gassnola took out $50,000, gave $30,000 to Player and used some of the remaining $20,000 to buy Super Bowl tickets for himself and some colleagues at Adidas, he said. Two months later, he took out another $27,500 and gave $20,000 to Player. A prosecutor asked Gassnola what he did with the remaining $7,500. âI kept it in my pocket and went shopping,â Gassnola testified."
Good grief, the guy stole $7,500 from Adidas to go shopping, and deceived his âgreat friend.â
This is the man that Bill Self (Mr. PD - Plausible Deniability) partnered with to get recruits. This should really cause everyone great pause.
Going with your thoughts ⌠âbecause of a $60,000 payment from Under Armour.â As you noted, SDS got money. The fact that the $60,000 payment was made, whether it was to go to MD or KU, created the same âfraudâ, as SDS would be just as ineligible to play at KU regardless of whether the payment was made by UA to go to MD, or Adidas to go to KU.
How can a kid that took money like that every play CBB?
Had a boss once who had a lot of rules for life, two of which are âf*** the rulesâ and âpeople matter.â And if you really want to be a stickler for the rules and precedent, Silvio should sit 40.5 games. The $22,500 is the amount agreed upon by KU and the NCAA. My suggestion is make up your mind whether the NCAA should follow its own rules or not.
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@HighEliteMajor Gassnola plead guilty to the charges against him. His cooperation was for a reduced sentence, not to avoid jail time. His memory also only went âspottyâ in reference to the coaches he was working with, not when it came to Gatto or Dawkins. The FBIâs case was about Shoe Co. reps defrauding universities, not whether coaches had committed NCAA violations.
Also, please tell me where in my post Insaid or even implied that Silvio should or would be cleared by the NCAA because that would go against everything Iâve said on the matter since Gassnolaâs testimony was made public.
Find me a program thatâs clean and Iâll guarantee that program finishes at or near the bottom of their conference just about every year. College basketball has been corrupted since WWII ended.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I disagree with your opinion on Gassnola, but I did not suggest that you said SDS should be cleared. I just added to your comments.
I wonder why his memory would be spotty only with regard to coaches? Perhaps that would have compromised Gattoâs conviction.
So, regarding your last comment â itâs been made in some manner or form by a lot of folks. You this believe Self blatantly lied in November?
@FarmerJayhawk There is no set penalty schedule, including for such blatant violations. You could also include the $60K from UA.
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@HighEliteMajor I believe Self has no knowledge of the specifics on the dealings between runners and the players/guardians because he wants to keep plausible deniability of potential violations. I believe he has always known it has gone on does what he can to not be directly involved so he can claim innocence.
I do believe Self when he says that he has never cheated at KU l, specifically himself, and has no knowledge of cheating because he doesnât want to be told of what it takes to bring players in. I believe this is how most coaches deal with this issue, essentially burying their heads in the sand to keep themselves from being directly responsible.
Iâm also not arguing that Gassnola is a high character person because I donât believe that. What I do believe to be true in most cases is that after a person has already plead guilty to charges and still testifies, he has very little reason to lie under oath. Guys who plead not guilty do have more reason to lie by deflecting blame off of themselves the way Gatto and Dawkins did in their trials.
Most people consider Jose Canseco to be a scummy person, but he was proven to be right about a lot of things regarding steroids in baseball during the 90âs.
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@HighEliteMajor there are, the NCAA just doesnât follow them.
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@FarmerJayhawk Iâm unaware of a penalty schedule â meaning a certain amount of games vs dollars paid a player. Each is a case by case basis I thought. But if you have something contrary, let me know.
http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-penalties
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think your summary may be close to the truth regarding Self. It is a sad commentary in my opinion. I perhaps had a naive view of our coach before this.
I would suggest that that witness for the prosecution, via a plea deal, has great motivation to stick to the prosecutorâs narrative. Or risks further consequences as part of the deal.
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Talk today in the trial about an obscene number of college football players being paid between 2010-2014. I FOR ONE AM TOTALLY SHOCKED.
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BShark said:
Talk today in the trial about an obscene number of college football players being paid between 2010-2014. I FOR ONE AM TOTALLY SHOCKED.
No way. You have be joking!!!
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@BShark - where did you see this? Link?
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Iâm stunned I tell you. Stunned. https://twitter.com/pinepaula/status/1121120828459036674?s=21
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So maybe Miller wonât survive after allâŚ
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Matt Norlander tweeted that the prosecution would again ask the judge to allow Miller to testify. Iâd love to hear the tapes!
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Not a soul clean in CBB.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Not a soul clean in CBB.
Lol at ANYONE that thought Izzo was just getting DUDES and they werenât paid.
And yeah recruiting is about relationships.
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Kcmatt7 said:
NO ! ! ! ! 1 - - not MR excuse me - -squeaky clean - -TOM IZZO - -SURELY NOT? lmao - that would mean - -drum roll please - -everybodyâs all American COACH - - - - umm - - umm - why yes - -also plays games lmao
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Kcmatt7 said:
Not a soul clean in CBB.
NOBODY - - -AGAIN NOBODY just close it down lol
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Not a soul clean in CBB.
Lol at ANYONE that thought Izzo was just getting DUDES and they werenât paid.
And yeah recruiting is about relationships.
just said myself - - WHAAAAAAA? - -OL TOMMY? - - SURELY NOT - -does that mean his hand got caught in the candy jar - -FULL of Money lmao
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After reading 3-4 stories on what happened yesterday I donât see how Miller doesnât get fired. Nothing in college athletics surprises me but I think Miller will be fired when this is all over.
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I had the same thoughts. Iâm sure this gets spinned real quick. If he takes the stand I wonder how much heâs willing to lie to protect himself
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These stories well the one I read from Adam Zagoria this morning sounds like Miller and Richardson are in a would of S- - - .
Talks about how he was bragging about his relationship between Miller and himself. - -Talking about how Miller like taking care of things himself. - That he was taking care of Ayton.
In a secret recorded Video on June 6th 2017 was with Dawkins talking about how he planned to Pay Richardson & have a business arrangement between him and Miller.
Dawkins talking about how Richardson was worth paying 4,000 a month feeling he was worth that - because Arizona had the # 1 draft pick in Ayton and always having top notch players⌠- At least 13 phones calls between Miller and Dawkins from May of 2017 to June of 2017 - - - - -major of those calls took place in May. - Dawkins connected with Richardson at least 16 times from May 5th 2017 - - -to June 16th 2017.
Prosecution introduced a series of Text Messages from Dawkins with the header: - - These are my MAIN guys - -Sean Miller & Book Richardson. Richardson followed that up with names of: - -Rick Pitino ( Louisville ) - - - -Tom Izzo ( Michigan State ) - - - - Will Wade ) LSU )- - - -Marvin Menzies ( Former UNLV )
Dawkins list also included , check these out other Schools : - - Michigan - - - -Cleveland State - - Texas - - -Depaul - - -Creighton - - USC - - - Oregon - - NC State - - -Miami - - & Illinois
This thing just getting started - -Arizona in a WORLD of hurt. - -Nobody Innocent - -before itâs all said and done - -many many more gonna be brought out - -you watch. - what is the NCAA gonna do penalize EVERY School thatâs in the NCAA?
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Doesnât sound like Miller is going to have to testify.
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Woodrow said:
Doesnât sound like Miller is going to have to testify.
Oh I would have to disagree with that a lot. - - - In this article yesterday has said the Judge said he could change his mind of that a few days back when he made that ruling. - -Now with this secret video with Dawkins saying in the video the things he said. - I would be willing to bet almost anything Miller will have to take the stand - -this is going to get real interesting - - ya you watch - -he gonna end up testifying - to much DAMAGE - -he has got to try and dispute and plug the leak in the Dam thatâs about ready to burst on his Parade
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The judge didnât change his mind today but did mention writing a written petition for it
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@jayballer73 the judge said this morning heâs not changing his mind . So I assume heâs not testifying .
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BeddieKU23 said:
The judge didnât change his mind today but did mention writing a written petition for it
ya Emphasis on " NOT TODAY " itâs coming
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The judge didnât change his mind today but did mention writing a written petition for it
ya Emphasis on " NOT TODAY " itâs coming
Weâll see if they do file the motion after todayâs proceedings.
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ITâS GETTING JUICY!!!
Matt Norlander has tweeted about Steve Smith assistant coach at Clemson discussing potential payments to Zion Williamson.
Also USCâs Tony Bland on tape discussing payments to lure Marvin Bagley Jr.
Hilarious how both ended up at Duke for FREE RIGHT??? RIGHT???
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"Christian Dawkins who was in Las Vegas hotel room caught on video wire tap discussing Zion recruitment: "Duke is gonna have their resources. âUNC is UNC. Kenutcky is gonna have their resourcesâ
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Under Oath Marty Blazer said he understood Dawkins to be saying âDuke, UNC & Kentucky will have people in place to pay whateverâs necessary for Zion Williamson. Whatever Zionâs family needed, we would be able to step in and (help with money) if it was closeâ
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Sounds like Norlander will reveal much more later after court breaks for the day. Wow.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Sounds like Norlander will reveal much more later after court breaks for the day. Wow.
Surely NOT these Schools - - has to be a mistake lmao
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All good news. The more blue bloods in the muck, the more likely the NCAA doesnât target us as an example (when others would suffer the same fate).
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@HighEliteMajor Until there are text messages coming from K, Roy, or Cal like Selfs, we are still prime target #1.
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https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1121456883297079297
This is absurd.
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Not a word about this on the Duke board.
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@Kcmatt7 They think K and there program are both invincible, and I donât blame them.
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BeddieKU23 said:
ITâS GETTING JUICY!!!
Matt Norlander has tweeted about Steve Smith assistant coach at Clemson discussing potential payments to Zion Williamson.
Also USCâs Tony Bland on tape discussing payments to lure Marvin Bagley Jr.
Hilarious how both ended up at Duke for FREE RIGHT??? RIGHT???
I think Nike paid Bagleyâs dad to coach an AAU team or something. Which is fine for some reason.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BeddieKU23 said:
ITâS GETTING JUICY!!!
Matt Norlander has tweeted about Steve Smith assistant coach at Clemson discussing potential payments to Zion Williamson.
Also USCâs Tony Bland on tape discussing payments to lure Marvin Bagley Jr.
Hilarious how both ended up at Duke for FREE RIGHT??? RIGHT???
I think Nike paid Bagleyâs dad to coach an AAU team or something. Which is fine for some reason.
Yea JJs mom was his AAU coach if I recall correctly⌠Very very likely thatâs how money was funneled to him. At least, one avenue.
