Silvio Done
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BigBad said:
Hope at some point they do not rule we used an ineligible player and the final four banner comes down.
That would be a tough argument given that, at least according to what we know right now, there were facts that were disclosed only at trial.
Of course, the NCAA has a habit of picking a scapegoat to selectively enforce rules, so nothing is guaranteed, especially since KU didn’t win the title last year.
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The comments from Self about having already talked to the NCAA and continuing to work with them suggest that there may be a quick resolution to this for Silvio. I hope?
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I imagine that the result of the FBI trial will in part help speed up the process. As far as I can tell the only thing that was “somewhat” proven in court is that Silvio’s guardian received $2,500 for on-line classes but he did not testify and has maintained all along (for what its is worth) the he did not receive any money. If this is all that can be proven the I imagine restitution and 2-3 game suspension would be the outcome. Now, if the NCAA has solid evidence of additional payouts and that Silvio was aware then it could go a different way.
Are we in a Billy Preston wait - Part Deux? Will the decision come any time now?
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Woodrow said:
https://twitter.com/garyparrishcbs/status/1055112282022297600?s=21
Well, Parrish has a hate boner for KU so this is expected.
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http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kusportstv/2018/oct/24/big-12-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-comments/
Good ole KK…
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BShark said:
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kusportstv/2018/oct/24/big-12-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-comments/
Good ole KK…
Couldn’t hear it. What did he ask or say?
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Woodrow said:
BShark said:
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kusportstv/2018/oct/24/big-12-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-comments/
Good ole KK…
Couldn’t hear it. What did he ask or say?
Typical bs from him. He wants KU to fall to badly.
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My biggest concern with this is that he is being withheld from the exhibitions. Those games don’t count so reading the tea leaves you could say it’s because Self expects Silvio to never play for KU again this year.
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@BShark I think you have to be eligible to play in exhibitions. Our transfers played in the overseas tourneys, but not in exhibitions, I think.
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mayjay said:
@BShark I think you have to be eligible to play in exhibitions. Our transfers played in the overseas tourneys, but not in exhibitions, I think.
Billy played the exhibitions when he hadn’t actually been cleared by then. Not saying it’s 100%, but things definitely don’t look good.
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I kinda figured the exhibitions would be Silvio’s swan song. Maybe he can/will get cleared. I hope the NCAA actually does something unlike the Preston case.
Remember Ayton played last year. Will Arizona have to forfeit games? …Will KU?
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@BShark And we’ll see KJ at the 4 for a stretch tomorrow, I’ll bet.
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@dylans Sexton was withheld 1 game.
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark And we’ll see KJ at the 4 for a stretch tomorrow, I’ll bet.
I think he starts tomorrow night along with Dedric. Doke off the bench.
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@KUSTEVE Did Alabama get him cleared or did they just say to heck with it and play him? And if he was cleared how did they get it done so fast? KUs eligibility issues seem to drag in and on. Maybe because they aren’t clearable, but not convict able either.
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@Woodrow KK was looking for a sound bite. Asked about it being a level playing field and how KU has won 10 years in a row.
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If I understand correctly, the admitted evidence and testimony under oath at the trial indicated that KU was not aware of any of the payments and it followed the NCAA ruling that Silvio was eligible and cleared to play.
This reminds me of a time I was in California driving on the Antelope Valley freeway off the 405 and headed to the Palmdale/Lancaster area. The speed limit was 55MPH and traffic was moderate and moving at a steady 70 MPH; I was driving at a conservative 60 MPH on the right lane. I noticed on my side mirror a CHP motorcycle with flashing light coming fast in between the two lanes (motorcycles are allowed to do this in California) and I looked at my speedometer and saw I was driving slightly over the speed limit but considerably slower than the rest of the traffic so I did not think much of it. The CHP office pulled next to me and motioned to lower my window and when I did he told me using the motorcycle speaker…speed it up buddy, you are holding up traffic. I pointed to the speedometer and he repeated the warning to speed it up which i promptly complied. I always wondered whatt he outcome would be if a few miles down the road I was stopped and given a ticket for speeding…would it hold in court?
This seems to be a similar case where KU was given the go ahead by the NCAA to play Silvio and KU followed the decision and rules carefully. Can the NCAA rule against KU after having cleared Silvio and given KU the go ahead to play Silvio, particularly when there is no evidence that KU knew of the alleged violation? I would think that any penalty the NCAA levies would be on Silvio and not on KU. Thoughts?
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Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season
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BeddieKU23 said:
Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season
At least we all saw this one coming.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season
At least we all saw this one coming.
Still disappointing. It’s obvious the NCAA has contacted KU saying his eligibility is being reviewed
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If KU played Silvio they’d basically be taunting the NCAA, imo.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season
4 out of the last 5 seasons KU has had a big man out with eligibility issues!
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
The comments from Self about having already talked to the NCAA and continuing to work with them suggest that there may be a quick resolution to this for Silvio. I hope?
Quick Resolution isn’t in the NCAA’s dictionary.
I do however applaud the optimistic view at this news
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BShark said:
My biggest concern with this is that he is being withheld from the exhibitions. Those games don’t count so reading the tea leaves you could say it’s because Self expects Silvio to never play for KU again this year.
That’s how I see it! Even Preston played in exhibitions while not cleared to play
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Woodrow said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Another season, another big man ineligible. Rinse Repeat to next season
4 out of the last 5 seasons KU has had a big man out with eligibility issues!
Hmm. that’s a coach issue. But yeah its bad optics every year
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Wow.
https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1055115116658618369
Vecenie knows basketball, btw. Like he is quite smart.
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Maybe after Danny left we had to pay the big men to come.
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Self is on with Petro right now.
Paraphrasing… Self is confident in the way KU conducts their business. It is uncomfortable to have his name and KU’s name in a federal trial , but he also is not as concerned because he knows how he conducts his business.
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@BShark At some point I think Silvio develops a 3 ball. Also, I think Silvio moves better on D than Mccormack or Udoka. This doesn’t help us on the defensive end chasing 3-chucking bigs.
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This has had no effect on the team other than Silvio not being able to play tomorrow.
It has certainly effected recruiting.
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Self thinks this could help the teams focus.
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Doesn’t think losing Silvio really affects the team because of the depth.
Reiterates he is totally confident on how they conduct their business.
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Woodrow said:
Self thinks this could help the teams focus.
Not to play devil’s advocate but he would never say the opposite to the media. He knows he lost a very talented player and has 30+ games to narrow the gap of his loss
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That was a pretty good interview with Self. He seems loose, and knows he has a talented squad. There is no doubt in my mind he would love nothing more to win it all this year to stick it to everyone.
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Silvio just invented the quarter season and done!~
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approxinfinity said:
@BShark At some point I think Silvio develops a 3 ball. Also, I think Silvio moves better on D than Mccormack or Udoka. This doesn’t help us on the defensive end chasing 3-chucking bigs.
Part of the point is that Sam and Aaron don’t think you can play Silvio along side McCormack or Doke. They are all back to the basket C type bigs. It’s three guys for one spot, essentially. Very crowded.
I’ve heard a lot of really positive things about McCormack so this will be very interesting.
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Woodrow said:
Doesn’t think losing Silvio really affects the team because of the depth.
Reiterates he is totally confident on how they conduct their business.
I’d agree with this.
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I caught the last part of the interview. Coach Self does not seem too worried or at least does not sound like he is.
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Where’s @stupidmichael when we need him …
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I caught the last part of the interview. Coach Self does not seem too worried or at least does not sound like he is.
It’s just PR 101. He’s not going to talk to the media and paint KU or himself in a negative light. It would be an extremely bad look to do so
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@BeddieKU23 It was definitely more than just “No comment” though in my opinion.
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BeddieKU23 said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
I caught the last part of the interview. Coach Self does not seem too worried or at least does not sound like he is.
It’s just PR 101. He’s not going to talk to the media and paint KU or himself in a negative light. It would be an extremely bad look to do so
Yes I fully understand that.
However, even Soren mentioned how well and smooth he handled the interview.
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Hard to explain but you can always catch glimpses or key words when someone is worried or hiding something. Coach Self sounded pretty relaxed, open and very positive.
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He said Silvio would not have started as Dedric Lawson and Udoka Azubuike have separated themselves a bit but, where he would plug in Silvio, he said he can plug in McCormack and play KJ Lawson at 4.
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Self was pretty upfront with how this is really effecting recruiting. We all assumed that, but thought it was noteworthy he said that.
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“Done” lol ok. If you’re going to go there might as well say the FF banner is coming down too.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
“Done” lol ok. If you’re going to go there might as well say the FF banner is coming down too.
You don’t think it’s possible that he doesn’t play for KU this year and the banner stays up? I think it’s possible.
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Unless the NCAA has a lot more evidence than the FBI it is not happening.
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If they go full Cliff and he doesn’t cooperate, I could totally see a scenario where both happens. As in he doesn’t play AND the banner stays up.
