New 2019 Recruiting
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dylans said:
He’s about as successful at buying a roster as the Yankees of late.
OMG
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jayballer73 said:
Really frustrating year recruiting wise … we maybe need new blood injected in the staff.
Whatever the discussion, it seems to me, we need to start at the top.
That said, this all seems largely related to the FBI/Adidas deal. I think we all agree that is the lynch pin in all of this. A storm we just have to whether. It’s impacted two recruiting classes.
I’m supposing that envelopes of cash aren’t being provided by our booster … uh, recruiting partner, Adidas. I’m supposing recruits are considering the fallout from the FBI/Adidas deal and the possibility of probation (no tourney appearance). I’m supposing that having a McDonald’s AA get limited run, Q’s draft stock sinking like a rock, Doke coming back and clearly being the focal point, and a situation where our offensive approach is murky (3/2 vs. 4/1), all play a bit into this. I also think that we are handicapped, always, in recruiting with Self because of how he has handled better players vs. below avg. role players (Brady, Traylor, LL). We can disagree on that last point, but if you’re recruit, and you have choice, why would you want to play for a coach that plays his pets over NBA level talent (that you, as a recruit, think you are)? Of course, there are lots of successes and counter-narratives that have significant weight as well.
The reality is that we have a top 5 roster of talent nearly every season. There is no arguing that. It’s just one man’s job to make those rosters successful.
Heading into next season, my concern is that we repeat this past season – going all in with a scheme focused on Doke, who has proven highly fragile. SDS’s appeal looms, too, for recruits considering KU.
Back to the FBI/Adidas deal, the question is, how long is the storm? And what do things look like after the storm passes?
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dylans said:
@jayballer73 If it makes you feel any better about all those wonderful recruits Calipari gets. He has the same amount of championships as KU and one more NIT appearance. He’s about as successful at buying a roster as the Yankees of late.
doesn’t replace the fact bottom line is he is getting them. - -doesn’t say a thing about his Coaching abilities. - - I’ve seen multiple Great recruiting coach’s that can’t Coach - perfect example was coach Owens back in his day - -recruited many really good players back in his day - just didn’t do squat with them.
Bottom line is UK just continually kicks our ass in recruiting – The thing is in reality the programs NOT that much difference - just UK has a staff that can sell a program - - finish out - -we obviously don’t - -we CAN NOT FINISH. - -it shows year after year after year. - - I’m not talking with this topic about winning National Championships - -this topic is about RECRUITING - -where they whip our ass like a Church House mouse - year - - after year – after year. -Their staff can finish. - Again I’m not talking Coaching ability - -for me Calipari - has NOTHING on Self as far as Coaching - - perfect example was our NC against Memphis
I have NO PROBLEM - - ZELCH about Coach Self and his coaching - perfect examples with his success against Duke - - North Carolina - - -and others - -just simply saying it very well could be time for Coach to bring in new blood for his staff - -the results in recruiting are right there in front of our face - -top quality commits don’t lie
It’s not about wonderful recruits - it’s I’d like to be able to land some of those wonderful recruits. - -you have to get the players to get the results - -were NOT getting the players. I think Coach is the better Coach - -so 1st we need those players to see. - -Job is not getting done
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@jayballer73 Howard is the obvious keeper. We need atlleast one new assistant as a replacement for whoever is the weak link among the others. Loyalty dies hard, but in the end an assistant needs to be able to recruit.
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@Marco who would that be? Pretty sure Howard is looking for a head job.🥴
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@Marco How is Howard the obvious keeper? His recruiting has been less stellar his entire time at Kansas. The two highest rated recruits he’s ever signed have had major issues. Cliff Alexander with the NCAA and Quentin Grimes and Cliff were both busts on the court. He’s only landed 3 top 50 recruits ever as an assistant coach.
To me, Howard has always been the weakest link on the coaching staff. Recruiting slipped under him as he has had a lot of high profile misses.
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@jayballer73 I don’t think it is anything the staff is doing or not doing…Totally related to the uncertainty of the FBI thing.
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According to Zagsblog.com, Lester Quinones (6’6” SG) is down to Indiana and Memphis. If he chooses Memphis, what are the ramifications for Hampton and others? Announcement Friday, 5/10.
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Gorilla72 said:
According to Zagsblog.com, Lester Quinones (6’6” SG) is down to Indiana and Memphis. If he chooses Memphis, what are the ramifications for Hampton and others? Announcement Friday, 5/10.
The pick is expected to be Memphis fwiw.
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Gorilla72 said:
According to Zagsblog.com, Lester Quinones (6’6” SG) is down to Indiana and Memphis. If he chooses Memphis, what are the ramifications for Hampton and others? Announcement Friday, 5/10.
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How many scholarships does Memphis still have open?
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@Woodrow 4 or 5
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@Crimsonorblue22 Just a thought? Townsend…
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@Texas-Hawk-10 But who else is outrecruiting him? I might be out of the loop. I’m not sure that Howard knew that the players, all highly regarded, would be busts.
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Let’s not forget Howard had the scout against dook last year, where Self had one of the finest coaching performances I can remember from him. I agree that if anyone should go (which, no thanks), it should be Townsend. Remember Howard also got the Lawson’s via his connection to Memphis when he was lead on Vick. SMU connections and all that jazz.
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@Marco who would we replace him with?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think that Aaron Miles, as some have said, would be a great fit. Those Washington/West Coast ties are intriguing, to say the least.
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Agree about Miles. Have to figure that helps with PG recruiting as well
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I have Memphis with 3 open slots unless his son isn’t on scholarship
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Marco said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 But who else is outrecruiting him? I might be out of the loop. I’m not sure that Howard knew that the players, all highly regarded, would be busts.
He’s only landed 3 top 50 recruits, not especially impressive considering how long he’s been here at this point.
Norm and KT both have a better track record in recruiting than Howard does. Howard is KU’s weak link in recruiting.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Marco said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 But who else is outrecruiting him? I might be out of the loop. I’m not sure that Howard knew that the players, all highly regarded, would be busts.
He’s only landed 3 top 50 recruits, not especially impressive considering how long he’s been here at this point.
Norm and KT both have a better track record in recruiting than Howard does. Howard is KU’s weak link in recruiting.
If we count transfers, the number is 5 or 6. Dedric and Malik were pretty good here.
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Looks like Georgia just dropped their 5th bag of cash off this cycle to 4 Star PG Wheeler. Former Texas A&M commit is deciding between them and Iowa St. Iowa St insider dropped a CB for Georgia so that sounds like a wrap.
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Unreal what’s going on at Georgia right now. Tom recruiting 10x better than he ever did at Indiana and nobody appears to be batting an eye and it’s hystercal
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BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Georgia just dropped their 5th bag of cash off this cycle to 4 Star PG Wheeler. Former Texas A&M commit is deciding between them and Iowa St. Iowa St insider dropped a CB for Georgia so that sounds like a wrap.
That’s when you know it’s really over.
@Kcmatt7 NOTHING TO SEE HERE
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KU BUMPSSSS BOIS
McBride up 51 slots in 24/7 ranking and Braun up 99…
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BShark said:
KU BUMPSSSS BOIS
McBride up 51 slots in 24/7 ranking and Braun up 99…
Didn’t Braun grow an inch or two? I thought he was listed at 6-5 or so, and now is more like 6-7. I may be remembering wrong, though. That would be reason to bump him up.
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justanotherfan said:
BShark said:
KU BUMPSSSS BOIS
McBride up 51 slots in 24/7 ranking and Braun up 99…
Didn’t Braun grow an inch or two? I thought he was listed at 6-5 or so, and now is more like 6-7. I may be remembering wrong, though. That would be reason to bump him up.
24/7 was way behind the other services on them fwiw. These rankings feels about right. Both are still sub 100 it’s just that 24/7 had them 200 or lower in Braun’s case.
I’m seeing conflicting heights on Braun. Will be interesting to see where he ends up.
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BShark said:
KU BUMPSSSS BOIS
McBride up 51 slots in 24/7 ranking and Braun up 99…
Well finally some good news. - - THAT’S A huge JUMP FOR McBride - - rock chalk all day long baby
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@FarmerJayhawk Miles and Manning (after Manning gets fired) - I want both. I don’t want Danny as a head coach but do want him for his recruiting and ability to work with big men, ditto for Miles with guards. Personally, I think our program has suffered since Danny left for Tulsa.
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Marco said:
@FarmerJayhawk Miles and Manning (after Manning gets fired) - I want both. I don’t want Danny as a head coach but do want him for his recruiting and ability to work with big men, ditto for Miles wih guards. Personally, I think our program has suffered since Danny left for Tulsa.
Danny was really good working with the Big’s for sure. - -Thing is and I would love if he came back - - BUT I just don’t see that happening whether he gets fired or not. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 I agree with you. But damn that would be nice, wouldn’t it?
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Well while I’m at it, Mitch is also TJ Holyfields most recent twitter follow and one of the most recent instagram follows.
Gotta love Mitch.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Well while I’m at it, Mitch is also TJ Holyfields most recent twitter follow and one of the most recent instagram follows.
Gotta love Mitch.
100% would not hate Mitch staying on as a grad assistant or something.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Well while I’m at it, Mitch is also TJ Holyfields most recent twitter follow and one of the most recent instagram follows.
Gotta love Mitch.
100% would not hate Mitch staying on as a grad assistant or something.
Dude is absolutely fantastic as a teammate. Truly unselfish. He probably wouldn’t mind staying on as a grad assistant honestly… Life in Lawrence, KS cannot be bad for Mitch.
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FWIW, Adam Zagoria (ZAGSBLOG about all levels of hoops) was suspended on Twitter. Rumor is, he offended some U of AZ fans.
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Gorilla72 said:
FWIW, Adam Zagoria (ZAGSBLOG about all levels of hoops) was suspended on Twitter. Rumor is, he offended some U of AZ fans.
Not a fan of Zag but this is absurd.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Well while I’m at it, Mitch is also TJ Holyfields most recent twitter follow and one of the most recent instagram follows.
Gotta love Mitch.
100% would not hate Mitch staying on as a grad assistant or something
That sounds good to me - - Our Mister do everything - & NO DOUBT he loves KU - -let him speak for/with us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
Honestly, meh and I’ve mostly had that approach since I thought KU was in on him.
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Glad we didn’t get him tbh. Walking sanction
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Kcmatt7 said:
Glad we didn’t get him tbh. Walking sanction
Walking lack of basketball skill and buckets.
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@FarmerJayhawk - that leaves Memphis with 2 open scholarships?
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FarmerJayhawk said:
In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
looks like it - -but if we can land Holyfield and or both him and Enrauna - - -it be all right.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Glad we didn’t get him tbh. Walking sanction
Walking lack of basketball skill and buckets.
But yet IF he would of landed here - -I bet you wouldn’t hear anyone saying much
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jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
looks like it - -but if we can land Holyfield and or both him and Enrauna - - -it be all right.
I’d bet money Enaruna ends up in Omaha.
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Gorilla72 said:
@FarmerJayhawk - that leaves Memphis with 2 open scholarships?
I think 3. They’re turning over the roster at some kind of pace.
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@BShark Me too. He said he wants to play right away. Depending on how the recruiting shakes out he is much more likely to see that happen at Creighton.
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BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
In other news. Precious to Memphis is done.
looks like it - -but if we can land Holyfield and or both him and Enrauna - - -it be all right.
I’d bet money Enaruna ends up in Omaha.
I’ll be disappointed if that’s the case. He would be a great 3-4 year player that could develop under Self at KU. I hope they somehow still land him.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
http://www.kake.com/story/40431717/maize-hs-standout-grill-commits-to-iowa-state
With Braun already in the fold, Grill was never really in play for KU. Good to see that he will get a shot at the P5 level, though.
