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Kcmatt7 said:
I will say that all previous cases, the athlete was caught by the NCAA. With no real way to prove that the school or a coach wasn’t directly involved or aware.
This case may very well be different because the FBI has came out and declared that KU had no knowledge of either situation. KU has proven as well that they will go to great lengths to not play someone when they do have knowledge. To punish our program because of Silvio would shock me. Especially if he is ruled eligible to play this next year. If Quinerley and Nas Little can get cleared to play, Silvio will as well, and at that point there would be no vacating of wins. I’ll be surprised to see us vacate anything.
This is where I’m at with it.
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@Kcmatt7 You know what I’m sick of? The soft bigotry of low expectations. I’m sick of the media and fans bad mouthing the value of an education. I’m sick of these players going to 2 plus years of college and not being able to speak proper English. You hear coaches talk about holding them accountable on the court, well how about in the classroom? How about teaching these kids REAL life lessons that most if not all of them are not going to make enough money from basketball to provide for themselves until they die at 85. The idea that you get a valuable degree first to set yourself up, then if you are good enough, playing pro ball as a bonus is gone. Whats even sicker is a lot of these kids have parents who teach them to grab the first pile of dough they can and dont worry about the future.
College basketball is becoming gross. I need a break.
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Did our coaches know that Preston was driving around in a car he couldn’t afford?
It seems like if he didn’t have the little accident, Preston would have played all year and nothing mentioned of the car.
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BigBad said:
@Kcmatt7 You know what I’m sick of? The soft bigotry of low expectations. I’m sick of the media and fans bad mouthing the value of an education. I’m sick of these players going to 2 plus years of college and not being able to speak proper English. You hear coaches talk about holding them accountable on the court, well how about in the classroom? How about teaching these kids REAL life lessons that most if not all of them are not going to make enough money from basketball to provide for themselves until they die at 85. The idea that you get a valuable degree first to set yourself up, then if you are good enough, playing pro ball as a bonus is gone. Whats even sicker is a lot of these kids have parents who teach them to grab the first pile of dough they can and dont worry about the future.
College basketball is becoming gross. I need a break.
Are you 80 years old?
Completely disagree with this take except the last bit about the parents. Most of the kids are majoring in basketball, no need to be delusional about why they are there. Kids like Mitch are the exception at major programs.
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drgnslayr said:
Did our coaches know that Preston was driving around in a car he couldn’t afford?
It seems like if he didn’t have the little accident, Preston would have played all year and nothing mentioned of the car.
lol
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drgnslayr said:
Did our coaches know that Preston was driving around in a car he couldn’t afford?
It seems like if he didn’t have the little accident, Preston would have played all year and nothing mentioned of the car.
It’s a good thing he stubbed his toe (i mean tire) then.
What would have been worse is KU not investigating the car after the incident and ignoring the flags right there. We have to feel pretty good now that KU will always put its program above a single player in that regard.
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I wasn’t able to read all 140 posts. Obviously if Billy Preston is involved, and it was known (due to him being suspended) that he accepted money, I find it hard to believe Self would be naive about this happening to others on his team, given that he’s been around the block a time or two before. I’ll argue he may not have done enough to stop this systemic (perhaps 3 players already identified over the course of the last few years) influence of agents within the program. He may not have known anything directly, so can take the stance of a victim, thankfully.
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@BigBad Oh your argument is beyond tired.
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@Kcmatt7 What is my argument that is so tired?
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Does anyone still actually think college basketball is amateur athletics?
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@KUSTEVE Ya your right we didn’t. - I need to talk to Coach about that - -I love me some strippers lmao - I mean JUMPIN - - GEE - -HOSSA - -FATS - I bet Granny would be really mad though. - -sorry bud - poor timing on trying to put some humor on this - but if I don’t I sit and think and try and over analyze this and just get super P- - - - - - so I went to my happy place - - thus - -Strippers lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@approxinfinity Clown is putting it mildly. - he is an absolute joke. - The indictment says the University is a Victim - nobody knew about this going on - The University - -The Coach Or Staff is not connected with this in anyway - Now Silvio guardian? - different story - and I’m not so sure about Silvio not knowing anything about this - hope I’m wrong - I’m afraid we have seen the last of Silvio on the floor and that sucks
As everyone knows I do my trolling other boards but NOT TODAY I don’t even begin to want to check UK fan boards - -they like Parrish assuming a lot - an hoping - HATERS HATE- people like him just sit back and wait like a Vulture for anything bad at KU to happen. - as do the UK idiots
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@HighEliteMajor Maybe you had best wear your old worn out golf shoes until all this Big Shoe mess is unveiled. If you plan to buy some Nikes, talk to the store manager to see if an agreement can be made to return fairly new but worn Nikes, just in case that noble outfit goes down, too. Heck, KU might even be a Nike school in the not too distant future. Or perhaps the University will go with Red Wing!
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@mayjay The games would be stripped of would only be the games he played in and not all tourney money would be foreited
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@BShark THANK YOU ! ! ! ! !
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So what are you guys saying? F it pay them? Do you think Self and co. should be involved? Is this where we are?
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@BigBad Well in one aspect of it they already are being paid. - - How? - by getting that full ride schlorship , now fully understand that this is renewable every year as it can be taken but ya their paid that way. Think if it hasn’t already in place that they do receive a small amount for living expense - could be totally off but thought I had heard that some where - but was being tossed around about the possibility of getting more - Different ways of getting quote unquote being paid
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Also the “poor inner city kid” the media always uses as an excuse to pay them are all eligible for a Pell Grant. So they have room, board, tuition, food, a stipend, and a pell grant. Poor guys. I dont know how they survive being so exploited. Oh and on top of that if they end up sucking they can get an education that at least makes them employable and a network of alumni that always helps ex-athletes.
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@BShark no need to get personal, we’ve got people of all ages here, 80 is just a number.
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@BigBad I’m not going to repost my entire response from another thread. But if it bothers you enough, don’t watch it. Simple problem.
If you think the Universities are getting used by these kids, especially the OADs, you have it completely backwards and there is no convincing you otherwise. Put in the same shoes as those kids, you would be making the exact same decision and I guarantee it.
The money isn’t the same as it was in the 90s. The sport has exploded and salaries have nearly quadrupled, completely outperforming inflation. You could earn enough money playing for 5 years at league minimum now to live comfortably the rest of your life. And some of these guys only have 5 good years in them. Wasting 3 of them in college doesn’t make sense.
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There is clearly a market for these players. That’s really all that needs to be said.
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If the NCAA would just let them fetch endorsements in the open instead of creating rules that caused this black market for recruiting to take place, we wouldn’t have an issue. People want to pay the players, let them get paid. It would cost the school, literally, nothing.
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Kcmatt7 said:
If the NCAA would just let them fetch endorsements in the open instead of creating rules that caused this black market for recruiting to take place, we wouldn’t have an issue. People want to pay the players, let them get paid. It would cost the school, literally, nothing.
Agree.
Also that the rules apply to only athletes is part of what makes it so stupid. There is nothing stopping a music major from performing a concert and making money off that.
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A few salient points to consider.
First, KU is listed as a victim which at first sight would indicate lack of culpability or perhaps it is the FBI’s way if saying we will call KU a victim until we can prove someone in the programs was involved.
Second, the indictment mentions that KU has additional steps in place to insure accountability by parents and/or guardians which go beyond what the NCAA requires.
Third, KU chose not to play Preston even when he was at the time officially cleared by the NCAA which would indicate an abundance of caution.
Fourth, Silvio and/or guardian were not paid to come to KU. Apparently Under Armour paid his guardian to go to Maryland and the Adidas money was used to repay Under Armour so he could go to KU which is whe he wanted to go in the first place and for no pay.
All the above show lack of intent or knowledge by KU despite the steps in place to ensure compliance which bides well for KU, particularly if no one in the program is proven to be involved. Now, if someone connected to the program was involved or aware it changes everything.
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Billy Prestons mom only had to wait months!
go to the G league, overseas, get a job, don’t ruin our program for 
. Do the the Mitchell Robinson route. Seems to me billy was enjoying his time at KU, I blame his moms. Go ride the bus in the g league and eat sack lunches and play in little gyms w/ zero fans. Do it! Does KU have any legal recourse on the people that sign those papers illegally? I’d be surprised if Silvio knew anything about that exchange. Jmo
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Hmmm … how about if a recruit takes $50,000 from UA to go to Maryland. Tells them to stick it. Goes to KU. Keeps the money. What is UA going to do about it? Maybe that’s where Guido comes in.
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Bills response last night. Nothing big other than he doesn’t think himself or a coach will be named.
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Yeah I really don’t see how Silvio knew about it, because it sure reads like he put a wrench in the plan by wanting to go to Kansas.
No idea on Billy, but we all pretty much read the bad vibes coming from his mom from the jump.
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REHawk said:
Heck, KU might even be a Nike school in the not too distant future. Or perhaps the University will go with Red Wing!
I think it’s high time Zips makes a play for the college athletic market. Or maybe Kangaroos.
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Kcmatt7 said:
If the NCAA would just let them fetch endorsements in the open instead of creating rules that caused this black market for recruiting to take place, we wouldn’t have an issue. People want to pay the players, let them get paid. It would cost the school, literally, nothing.
Even if the NCAA allowed it how do you resolve the kid wearing NIKE at an Adidas school with Adidas jerseys? Not against it but it would be interesting.
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Oh and BTW I’m only 44 not 80… LOL
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Sorry for getting a little chippy earlier btw.
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@BigBad The structure of shoe deals with the universities would have to change.
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@Kcmatt7 Don’t fool yourself. I think that this is a common mistake. We think if we give a mouse a piece of cheese each day, he’ll be good. He won’t raid our pantry. Then we give him two pieces of cheese, that will suffice. The fact is the pursuit of money is never ending. Folks will lie, cheat, steal, and demand more money, no matter how much they get. Athletes feel aggrieved in the NFL signing a one year franchise tag of $18 million, guaranteed – money that, alone, sets them for life.
So if you think that if we’d, “just let them fetch endorsements in the open instead of creating rules that caused this black market for recruiting to take place, we wouldn’t have an issue”, I think you are sadly mistaken. This is just not the way of the world. And I use the word “sadly” because it is a bit sad.
People always want more, and there will always be voices demanding more. And in their minds, they will always justify the rule breaking because “they deserve it.”
Doing anything more for the players is not a panacea, it is a curse.
The only cure here is competition. This will allow the NCAA to find a tighter niche. It would be much better if there was a league with real pay, as a better option.
I guess my frustration is that folks want to change NCAA rules to fit their agenda. The college game, as is, is more attractive than the alternatives. That escapes most. That’s why they play NCAA ball. An inescapable free market fact.
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@BigBad They do it now in the NBA. The jerseys are Nike but shoes don’t matter. I think it would be an easy restructure honestly. It would end up evening out. Nike would pay some Adidas kids and Adidas would pay some Nike kids and before you knew it, you wouldn’t even think about what shoes kids were wearing.
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Any Chance the NCAA would throw KU’s shoe deal at them as reason to hold them accountable for this?
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@HighEliteMajor They are getting money for those endorsements one way or another and it is ignorant to think otherwise. Right now, it is just behind closed doors, and the NCAA is obviously accepting of it or else Kevin Knox, Miles Bridges, Collin Sexton, etc. wouldn’t have finished the season. It only makes sense to change the rules, if nobody is following them anyways.
It is more like the reason that they just upped the speed limit on Hwy 71. Nobody was following the speed limit anyways, so it was more dangerous for those traveling on it at the speed limit.
This was happening already. Because this was happening already, we now have people potentially going to prison for a crime that most would consider victimless.
Plain and simple, it is no longer a rule if nobody abides by it and you don’t enforce it.
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@HighEliteMajor Again, you want players to stay here for 4 years, yet you don’t want to offer them any reason to pick college over the pros.
It is a contradicting idea. You literally can’t have it both ways.
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Anyone who thinks playing players for their services probably will end corruption in NCAA sports probably doesn’t understand human nature very well. The shoe dudes, agents, boosters, random overzealous fans are still going to want to be influencers in where whomever goes to college.
We’ll find out that some kids are getting paid more than other kids, some schools will figure out how to pay more than other schools and athletes will still have to make decisions to walk with integrity.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I would prefer she go find a one-way ticket for a long bus ride in Dumbshitistan, or wherever he played his 2 games overseas.
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@JayHawkFanToo Your 4th item simplifies to “addidas money was used to allow him to go to KU”, doesn’t it? That still means it was an inducement.
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@BigBad Well, maybe they would have to stop letting the schools get paid for making kids wear (read: endorse) products they don’t want to use. Are you okay that currently the school gets paid literally millions to endorse a product while the person whose name and image are publicicized with that product gets nothing he wouldn’t get anyway?
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@mayjay how much did he get for that plus his share of, did his mom cut him in or not?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Ay, there’s the rub.
I always wonder how the teammates feel when players get caught and vacating wins is a sanction, voiding all their hard work. I would be really po’ed if I were clean and some selfish SOB cost me my ability to point to my career with pride.
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mayjay said:
@JayHawkFanToo Your 4th item simplifies to “addidas money was used to allow him to go to KU”, doesn’t it? That still means it was an inducement.
Not quite. Apparently Silvio wanted to go to KU in the first place for no pay but his guardian had other plans. Silvio could have gone to KU anyway and his guardian would have been in trouble with the Under Armour “collectors,” so Silvio personally had no say in the Under Armor decision and did not get paid by Adidas.
Moving forward, schools need to be extra careful with all these “guardians of African player since it appears they do it for the money and not necessarily from the goodness of their mercenary hearts.
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@JayHawkFanToo Do you think the enforcers would have targeted the guardian only? Interesting twist. But bottom line, “I didn’t know my guardian took a second batch of money from addidas to pay back the first from someone else so I could go to addidas school KU” is not very convincing against a presumption of ineligibility.
I could be wrong, of course, but I see a lot more wishful thinking going on here today than compelling arguments.
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@wissox Anyone who thinks NOT paying players for their services is still a good idea doesn’t understand human nature very well.
Even if it continues to be “illegal,” it will still happen because it has happened since sports were invented and the NCAA was established. So instead of being a stubborn old fool, the NCAA should find a better way to regulate these payments out in the open so that men never have to go to jail over something this stupid ever again.
If something is happening when it is illegal and still accepted by society, it is NEVER going to stop. Once you accept that, then you can solve the problem and begin to regulate what is happening instead. That is what I understand about human nature. Apparently you do not.
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Playing players is a huge mountain of an issue. We view it from the comfy couch of a blue blood. But take a school like Southern University of the SWAC where we used to live in Baton Rouge. Watch the highlights and see 500 people in the stands. Drive around the crumbling decaying campus and it’s hard to imagine them coming up with the money to pay players. And I would guess that the majority of DI schools play in front of nearly empty arenas too, meaning they have to find a way to pay players.
Where does it end? Do we pay rowers too? Gymnasts? Swimmers? Soccer players? They put in vast amounts of time for practice, travel and whatever else goes with it. If the football player down the hall in their dorm is getting pay for play, they would feel entitled to it as well.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@wissox Anyone who thinks NOT paying players for their services is still a good idea doesn’t understand human nature very well.
There are other options for that. Why must the NCAA change their model? 99% of NCAA basketball players are worth ZERO in a free market of professional basketball players.
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wissox said:
Where does it end? Do we pay rowers too? Gymnasts? Swimmers? Soccer players? They put in vast amounts of time for practice, travel and whatever else goes with it. If the football player down the hall in their dorm is getting pay for play, they would feel entitled to it as well.
How would Title IX play into this? Oh you are paying basketball players? Well you have to pay the female golfers the same amount…LOL
