Game Day Chat room
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16 point loss. 11 point differential from 3.
What did we do philosophy wise defensively to change that? Especially knowing they are 3 point shooting team.
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kuballin10 said:
@BigBad so why can’t bill see it lol
Because some teams still helped/doubled on Doke.
It’s taken 32 years for college coaches to FULLY grasp what the 3 pointer and having all 5 guys be able to shoot it does.
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This off season will be long… no summer games no nothing. The last drama to care about will be Romeo or no Romeo
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@BeddieKU23 wish he stayed with Dotson, grimes, Langford, Garrett and kj Lawson for our guards
Vick can leave. Good player but not great. Makes too many turnovers same for Devontae this year.
Nova handles it so well even being an older team we were junior high sloppy with the ball all year
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BeddieKU23 said:
This off season will be long… no summer games no nothing. The last drama to care about will be Romeo or no Romeo
I live in Ohio so Id love to land Romeo just to stick it to my buddies who are IU fans
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@BShark vick too?
Man we will be weak at guard next year
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BigBad said:
BeddieKU23 said:
This off season will be long… no summer games no nothing. The last drama to care about will be Romeo or no Romeo
I live in Ohio so Id love to land Romeo just to stick it to my buddies who are IU fans
It sounds as if we have a good chance. Just a matter of timing now until Newman and Vick leave
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kuballin10 said:
@BeddieKU23 wish he stayed with Dotson, grimes, Langford, Garrett and kj Lawson for our guards
Vick can leave. Good player but not great. Makes too many turnovers same for Devontae this year.
Nova handles it so well even being an older team we were junior high sloppy with the ball all year
Our starting 5 is gone. Will be interesting to see who steps up to fill the void
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bottom line our perimeter d did what it does—not defend.
we didn’t rebound.
the only chance Kansas had to win was try to match their scoring and Self held them back and instructed them to play in the paint.
regardless, we couldn’t have kept pace with 18/38 threes anyway.
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kuballin10 said:
@BShark vick too?
Man we will be weak at guard next year
Charlie Moore is no joke. Dotson will be solid. Marcus Garrett should improve his shot…lets hope Grimes looks solid.
Maybe we land Langford.
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@BigBad some is irrelevant the good teams are what matter and Bill should know how they will play us. No way u ever double doke force a guy who doesn’t score 20 a game to feel the mental stress when he has a quick 8-10 down low to continually scoring which mentally makes u feel selfish and letting ur team down when u miss
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@kuballin10 Pretty sure Vick will go too, but Newman is 100%.
And idk, young at guard is different than weak. Might take some time but I really like Grimes and Dotson long term. Moore I am not high on at all.
Romeo Langford would be a game changer.
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@kuballin10 Post ups are not efficient offense period.
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Romeo could be our 2nd leading scorer next yr. Kid will light it up wherever he goes
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@BigBad Charlie isn’t better than anyone we’ve had. He can’t beat me off the dribble he’s a streaky volume shooter not the answer just stop gap in case we missed on recruiting
Love love love Dotson quickest cat…will remind everyone of mason
Needs to chuck 1000 threes a day in the offseason
Grimes is tyler Dorsey on steroids
Romeo we have to have if Vick leaves otherwise we are gonna struggle
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@BShark Nope. But its hard to convince old school guys and Im 44!!!
- Corner 3
- Any other 3.
- Cutting layup
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@BShark why so certain on Newman
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kuballin10 said:
@BigBad Charlie isn’t better than anyone we’ve had. He can’t beat me off the dribble he’s a streaky volume shooter not the answer just stop gap in case we missed on recruiting
Love love love Dotson quickest cat…will remind everyone of mason
Needs to chuck 1000 threes a day in the offseason
Grimes is tyler Dorsey on steroids
Romeo we have to have if Vick leaves otherwise we are gonna struggle
True but if Doke stays Self will go HARDCORE high low with Lawson/Doke.
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@Blown Worst kept secret in Lawrence.
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BShark said:
@kuballin10 Pretty sure Vick will go too, but Newman is 100%.
And idk, young at guard is different than weak. Might take some time but I really like Grimes and Dotson long term. Moore I am not high on at all.
Romeo Langford would be a game changer.
Agree on all accounts. Have to have Romeo cause duke is gonna be ridiculous next year…mini Kobe with a dog attitude and Zion is a mini lebron. They are gonna be incredible and will defend
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After tonight we might be better off having doke go
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BShark said:
@kuballin10 Post ups are not efficient offense period.
Unless u got a stud down low which kids don’t practice that part of their game anymore. William just thinks close shots higher percentage…he’s not the brightest sometimes
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That sucks. I’d actually love it if Newman returned. He could absolutely lead this team next year. Newman>any incoming freshman. No question
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Imagine
Dotson Grimes Langford Garrett(if his shot improves) Lawson
Small ball…
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kuballin10 said:
@BigBad Charlie isn’t better than anyone we’ve had. He can’t beat me off the dribble he’s a streaky volume shooter not the answer just stop gap in case we missed on recruiting
Love love love Dotson quickest cat…will remind everyone of mason
Needs to chuck 1000 threes a day in the offseason
Grimes is tyler Dorsey on steroids
Romeo we have to have if Vick leaves otherwise we are gonna struggle
Glad someone else sees it with Moore. He’s just okay.
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@BShark is he projected very high ?
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I see Moore as a Russel Robinson type for Self.
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BigBad said:
Imagine
Dotson Grimes Langford Garrett(if his shot improves) Lawson
Small ball…
KJ at the 4 works too.
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Moore will be nice in future years
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And Nova just hit another 3.
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kuballin10 said:
BShark said:
@kuballin10 Post ups are not efficient offense period.
Unless u got a stud down low which kids don’t practice that part of their game anymore. William just thinks close shots higher percentage…he’s not the brightest sometimes
If Doke had more effective moves and was a great passer I’d feel differently. I think Dedric actually fits that bill…
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@BigBad I know I’m gonna puke when Nova comes in and pounds us by 15 in Allen…I know they lose a lot so we probably win but duke will destroy us next year playing what I call golden state ball
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BigBad said:
I see Moore as a Russel Robinson type for Self.
I don’t think he can defend at that level.
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will self win a second title…ever?
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BigBad said:
Imagine
Dotson Grimes Langford Garrett(if his shot improves) Lawson
Small ball…
Exactly!!!
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BShark said:
BigBad said:
I see Moore as a Russel Robinson type for Self.
I don’t think he can defend at that level.
That probably true. That is what kept Sherron on the bench. Drove me nuts Rus Rob started over him for so long.
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Blown said:
will self win a second title…ever?
Yes
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kuballin10 said:
@BigBad I know I’m gonna puke when Nova comes in and pounds us by 15 in Allen…I know they lose a lot so we probably win but duke will destroy us next year playing what I call golden state ball
I don’t see duke being any better then this year. Even younger no knock down shooters a lot of positionless players
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BigBad said:
Imagine
Dotson Grimes Langford Garrett(if his shot improves) Lawson
Small ball…
Wonder if bill ever wins one again. Watch us be dominate down low like he wants and get beat. The four guards best chance was last year unfortunately utilizing them how bill does with the weave and dump downs
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BigBad said:
I see Moore as a Russel Robinson type for Self.
Yikes u will be really dissappointed. He’s short, not quick, doesn’t produce turnovers. Not sure where u got ur analysis
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BShark said:
BigBad said:
Imagine
Dotson Grimes Langford Garrett(if his shot improves) Lawson
Small ball…
KJ at the 4 works too.
Except he can’t shoot
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I actually think Bill will win a second and third title if not more in the next 7-10 years of he will stay that long
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The hate on Bill Self can stop immediately, do I think Jay Wright is a better coach? Maybe but Idc I’m proud of the job Self has done this season.
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BeddieKU23 said:
kuballin10 said:
@BigBad I know I’m gonna puke when Nova comes in and pounds us by 15 in Allen…I know they lose a lot so we probably win but duke will destroy us next year playing what I call golden state ball
I don’t see duke being any better then this year. Even younger no knock down shooters a lot of positionless players
You might be right. Barrett can score and jones can shoot but he ain’t half as good as his brother. Zion if he can shoot is unstoppable though
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kuballin10 said:
BigBad said:
I see Moore as a Russel Robinson type for Self.
Yikes u will be really dissappointed. He’s short, not quick, doesn’t produce turnovers. Not sure where u got ur analysis
He was a freshman asked to carry a big role on a really bad cal team. His size is what concerns me the most as he’s looked like a middle school player since he got here. He can play and with a possible 4 years here it will be impossible to expect he won’t step up at some point
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@kjayhawks make zero mistake about it. Bill has his faults and has had his failings. It’s just simply that this season as a whole was not one of those. But… It’s also anyones choice to think whatever the hell they want about him honestly. And to say it
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@kjayhawks not hating man stating issues in basketball philosophy. Hall of famer and does great with low talent just needs to put guys in better positions and change some things. Don’t get defensive man everyone loves bill but he’s not infallible.
A week to prepare don’t think we Expected this. Dump it to doke, not guard the three and not shoot threes is not what got us year
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BeddieKU23 said:
kuballin10 said:
BigBad said:
I see Moore as a Russel Robinson type for Self.
Yikes u will be really dissappointed. He’s short, not quick, doesn’t produce turnovers. Not sure where u got ur analysis
He was a freshman asked to carry a big role on a really bad cal team. His size is what concerns me the most as he’s looked like a middle school player since he got here. He can play and with a possible 4 years here it will be impossible to expect he won’t step up at some point
I’m afraid he’s a cunliffe and will transfer or redshirt. He will always get recruited over
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Barrett is a future stud. Jones is going to have some tough moments, Dotson is better then him. They look like a team that will have no bench or size but they might get another 5 star in montgomery… who knows I don’t see it with them
