2019 Recruiting
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Unusual for Kansas to have even one top 100 prospect let alone three.
Looks like Sunrise is becoming a player in the basketball prep school world. I believe Buddy Hield went there.
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dylans said:
3 top 100 HS players in the state of KS in the same year?!? Cool. Hope JRE bleeds crimson and blue. Really hope Harvey gets his stuff taken care of. Hall gonna ball at KU? The 6ā11ā guy from Wichita is gonna be a load for someone to handle a few years from now too.
Yeah not worried about JRE.
Hall isnāt really a KS kid like JRE or Harvey. Born in CA and spent a lot of his childhood in Illinois too.
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Picked up a CB pick for RJ Hampton.
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So Matt canāt say much but he did let me know that the already committed player is a player that KU hasnāt been publicly mentioned/linked with before. Interesting.
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@BShark Iām not following. We have a commit for 2018 or 2019?
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@BShark This feels like Matt making up info so people stay off his back for the next two weeks waiting on the Romeo decision.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark This feels like Matt making up info so people stay off his back for the next two weeks waiting on the Romeo decision.
I would think that if I hadnāt seen this rumor elsewhere before Matt.
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If we do have a commit, wonder why they havenāt announced it.
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@KUSTEVE nah, this is supposedly a guy that could be a fallback option for KU if we miss on Langford. This mystery person has already committed elsewhere but not signed. If true, it would actually explain why KU hasnāt been chasing anyone else.
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RockkChalkk said:
@KUSTEVE nah, this is a guy that could be a fallback option for KU if we miss on Langford. Supposedly he has already committed elsewhere but not signed.
Correct. I believe it is all but done if Romeo goes elsewhere. Of course the name canāt be mentioned now or it could screw the kid out of his current situation.
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Is it supposed to be a ranked player, say top 30-50 or just a program player with potential? Isnāt talking to a committed player frowned upon? I remember Calipari getting a lot of flack for having Terrence Jones decommit fro Washington and sign with UK immediately. I believe he also got Enes Kanter who had also committed to Washington the same year.
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Did Kevin Porter sign an LOI with USC?
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@BeddieKU23 Yes, in November.
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Boy Matt is really making us think with this one.
I canāt figure this one out. Almost think its someone who signed in Nov
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@BeddieKU23 Yeah I agree. Assuming they arenāt signed could be incorrect. Schools will pretty much let kids out of their NLI.
@JayHawkFanToo Iāll wait to pass any judgment on it until we see who it is if it happens.
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I will guess it is a player that has not signed a LOI only a financial aid package since coaches cannot recruit players with signed LOIs.
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Memphis and Louisville getting involved with Hurt. That recruitment is going to be a dog fight to the end. I sure hope he takes visits and commits early.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Memphis and Louisville getting involved with Hurt. That recruitment is going to be a dog fight to the end. I sure hope he takes visits and commits early.
UCLA just visited him a couple days ago as well.
Consensus top 5 player, great fit for the modern game, seriously considering staying more than a year. Def going to be a knock down drag out.
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For clarification, Memphis worries me because of Mike Millerās relationship with the Hurts.
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I canāt help but think this FBI cloud will really hurt us until it is over or it completely blows up and everyone else gets pulled in.
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@Kcmatt7 nothing will happen major long as ku itās not directly implicated Sean Miller still has a job in Arizona and they have him actually on tape doing a lot of legal stuff
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Sean Miller is taking scraps right now because his entire recruiting class fell apart after the FBI probe.
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Iāll believe the tape when the DOJ actually uses it as evidence. There is no proof of that tape existing at the moment. Well, other than Miller not filing a lawsuit against ESPN for defamation.
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He are the players ranked 25 - 65 that have not signed LOIs
(30) Shareef OāNeal - PF, UCLA, (31) Jordan Brown - C, unsigned, (35) Elijah Weaver - PG, USC, (37) Brandon Williams - PG, unsigned, (40) Khavon Moore - SF, Texas Tech, (41) Taeshon Cherry - PF, Arizona State, (55) Jairus Hamilton - SF, Boston College, (56) Courtney Ramey - PG, unsigned
Thatās eight guys. Iām going to discount OāNeal and Brown right off the bat. OāNeal has already switched commitments once. Brown hasnāt seriously considered any non-Pac 12 schools. Taeshon Cherry considered Texas A&M, but other than that, heās a California kid that considered west coast schools.
That leaves five guys - Weaver, Williams, Moore, Hamilton and Ramey.
Weaver is a big PG (6-5). Heās from Florida and considered schools from all over the country (UConn, UVA, UCLA, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, NC State, Mizzou, etc.). Heās currently committed to USC. He would be an interesting replacement for Langford. Heās a lefty that is more of a pass first PG.
Williams is a 6-1 PG. Williams is more of a score first PG. He would be a bit of a duplicate of Charlie Moore on this roster. Heās a good player, but I donāt know that he makes sense on this roster with Moore and Dotson already in the fold.
Moore is a 6-8 SF that can do a bit of everything. Heās not super athletic like some guys, but heās a very solid player in every aspect. However, heās committed to Texas Tech, and it is generally considered poor form to poach a committed recruit from a league rival. Heās a nice player. I would guess with Smith leaving, Tech will be locking this signing down.
Hamilton is interesting. KU was pursuing him early, but backed off and went after other targets. Heās a really good player. A bigger version of Agbaji in some ways (6-8, 220). Duke, UNC, Florida, Arizona and others were interested, but he ultimately picked Boston College. Heās the type of player that might be interested in switching his offer, and missing on Langford would give KU an opening on the wing. Heās at least a three year player. Probably a four year guy.
And finally Ramey. Heās a 6-3 PG, but he could be considered a combo guard. He was linked to Mizzou, but hasnāt signed. Louisville has started pursuing him again. He was HS teammates with CarteāAre Gordon (SLU commit). KU has never been connected to him, but he has been connected to both Texas and Oklahoma State. Heās unsigned, so he could be in play.
If I had to guess, I would say Hamilton is the mystery man, although I have no insider information on that.
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@Kcmatt7 right and like i said as of right now ku is in good shape unless more damming evidence come to light. I wouldnt worry about it remeber 50 schools were implicated
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Maybe im alone in this but im not sold on matthew hurts game. I mean he shoots it well but hes not very explosive
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Some good research FYI.
I think of the players you listed Ramey, Weaver and Cherry are the only three that KU hasnāt had contact with.
Brandon Williams is announcing soon after his visit to Gonzaga, this is a Oregon/Zona battle. All the recent buzz is Oregon won him on his visit.
Hamiltonās brother transferred into BC as well. I canāt see him leaving that situation with family.
Ramey seems like the most open of all especially since heās not signed anywhere but it looks like Texas, Missouri, Oklahoma St & Louisville have the most attention from him. I donāt think Ramey fits the need KU is looking for.
This makes me think this is a kid signed (LOI) with another program who doesnāt want to risk his current position unless Langford goes to Indiana.
I also wouldnāt be surprised if it was another big with the unknown situations surrounding Doke coming back and De Sousa being possibly ruled ineligible.
I would also assume itās someone the staff would view as an impact player in some way to compensate for what Langford would bring to the table. With our roster there really isnāt a need for development type players. Itās got to be someone that would have a chance to start.
Name Iāll throw out- Jaylen Hoard, signed with Wake Forest early but I hear more and more grumblings. We recruited players in his HS area (Aaron Wiggins, Dotson, Ian Steere) among others.
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Your right heās not a quick fast twitch athlete. I wasnāt as high on him last summer. His Jr film looks much improved though. Such a skilled player inside/out. His shooting numbers this year were rare for a player his size.
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Well if you believe what has been said so far, itās a player that is committed so that automatically writes off Williams and Ramey.
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@BeddieKU23 Iāll do a cartwheel somehow if itās Hoard.
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@BeddieKU23 tru and im not sure if hes a good ball handler, but he is a good player im just not sure hes the 5th best player in the country.
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Hurt might not be able to win you a game by himself, but he would make everyone else on the floor better the entire time he is on the court. He should stretch the floor, pass well and rebound effectively. He is the type of player that has the quietest 12 ppg, 3 assists, 2 blocks and 7 rebounds youāve ever seen. But then he also leads the team in +/-
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Hurt is my top want among players I think KU has a real shot at.
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Matthew Hurt is a really skilled guy, but as @ReggieKansas and @BeddieKU23 say, heās not a great athlete. I wish he were a bit bigger. Heās basically a slightly taller Mitch Lightfoot with ball handling ability. Iād even say Mitch is probably the better athlete of the two. Heās not a statue, but he isnāt a mobile guy. He canāt punish you with his strength.
All of his plays are skill plays, so itās hard to guess how that translates as the athleticism increases. Heās a really good shooter and a skilled passer. He could be an incredible four year player. He could also be a complete bust. I wish I could say for sure whether his high skill and BBall IQ would translate.
My estimation is his ceiling is Perry Ellis - starts slow his first year, but turns into a really, really good four year player. His floor is that he doesnāt get strong enough to handle the interior and becomes a 6-9 offense only wing off the bench. You donāt not recruit that guy. You just have to recruit around him.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Iāll do a cartwheel somehow if itās Hoard.
Iāll do backflips somehow as well.
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I think #5 is probably correct for him. Heās got such a high skill level. From what Iāve seen he looks like a capable ball handler especially for his size. As @BShark mentioned this could be a player that plays multiple years in College which is the real benefit of possibly getting him. Heāll be good as a freshman but could be a Big-12 POY/All American type as a Soph. Lofty praise I know but guys his size with that shooting/skill level donāt come around every class
I expect heāll have a big AAU year and keep reinforcing his lofty ranking
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@justanotherfan my big question is can he get 2 the rim off the bounce against better athletes
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@Kcmatt7 i wanna see him play againdt the rest of the top talent next year to get a real gage of what he can do
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@justanotherfan i like the lightfoot comparison
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He is worlds better than Lightfoot.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Iāll do a cartwheel somehow if itās Hoard.
Iāll do backflips somehow as well.
Old guys doing backflips and cartwheels, gonna be difficult.
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@BShark in terms of comparable size and athleticism itās pretty close obviously Matthew is a better all-around player
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Iād be interested in seeing them side by side. Iām not convinced Mitch is the 6ā8āā he is listed at.
I would say there is a chance Mitch is more athletic but his offensive game is terrible so it doesnāt really matter. You can easily get away with playing Hurt at C to mask his possible defensive issues.
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Worth an injury or two, its for a good cause
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@ReggieKansas He is not even close to Mitch a lot more talented, like Bshark said light years difference - come on Reggie you just focus on having my steak ready let us focus on the recruiting lmao. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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To Mitchās credit he was serviceable on the court this year. FR year was umā¦we just wonāt talk about his FR advanced offensive stats since he only played 100 minutes.
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guys I realize itās more likely then not - -and by a large amount probably - probably just a lot of unfounded BS BUT Iām seeing more and more from different places that Romeo might quite possibly pull a Harrison Barnes - - skpe his school.
My main question is -where and how do these kind of things get started? - -I mean I see it once and just laugh - - see it different place and blow it off with a little less conviction - -but Iām seeing it multiple - - multiple times. - How would anyone ever know that? - where they getting this from? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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You mean do his announcement on skype? I say let the kids have fun.
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@BShark I think he means where are people finding that info out?
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Hurt is better than Mitch Lightfoot, yes. But letās pump the brakes for a second. Mitch was a darn good player coming out of HS, and has been a solid option at KU. Hurt has more upside than Mitch because heās more skilled, but he also has a lower floor because Mitch is probably the better athlete of the two, although I am basing that purely off highlights, not any measurables.
Hurtās upside (All-Conference, Second or Third Team All American) is much higher because I could see him coming in and being an inside out scoring option capable of averaging 15+ points on a good team, along with 6 or 7 rebounds and 3 or 4 assists. I donāt know how good he would be defensively, but I can see the makings of a very good collegiate player on the offensive end with the BBIQ to be a passable defender once he understands the system and responsibilities.
Hurtās floor (bench shooter substitution in specific lineups) is lower than Mitchās because Hurt may not be as good a defender as Mitch has become. If Hurt canāt defend, I could see a scenario where he just canāt stay on the floor and he never gets more than sporadic minutes. He may still have the occasional game where he goes for 16 or 20 because of his shooting ability, but he might not develop that way.
The thing is, I canāt even tell you which of those scenarios is more likely. Maybe he arrives on campus, gets stronger and is All Conference as a sophomore. Maybe he never adds the weight, struggles with his shot and his confidence, and ends up transferring after a season. Perhaps he lands somewhere in between.
I will be watching his summer very closely to see how he handles his AAU action, and how he does up against some of the springier athletes in the class. If he holds his own defensively against them, that will change his upside. If he starts getting blown away, that will be a big red flag.
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FWIWā¦ I do not think Langford is announcing via Skype. I think that rumor started from someone on another board making a joke, and people thought he was serious.
Also I am brand new to this board. It looks like there is a lot of information and conversation. I hope to add to that!
