Sam Cunliffe: MIA
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Can Silvio shoot throws?
I would assume better than Doke.
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@BShark My mother, when stuck in her wheelchair, could have been better at shooting FTs than Dok.
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Seriously, someone google it
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Anybody else watch post game?
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mayjay said:
@BShark My mother, when stuck in her wheelchair, could have been better at shooting FTs than Dok.
PHOF
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I didnāt see Drew, wondered what his excuse was? Did he ask Fran for help w/ blaming refs?
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@justanotherfan wrote: But thereās a cost to that. Iāve written many times on this board that the streak in some ways is a curse for KU hoops because trying to make sure we beat Texas Tech or Baylor in January or February prevents us from getting ready for March. We have yet to find a way to balance those costs.
Self does not believe in good losses as some other coaches atest. I agree with his philosophy.
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Gunman said:
@justanotherfan wrote: But thereās a cost to that. Iāve written many times on this board that the streak in some ways is a curse for KU hoops because trying to make sure we beat Texas Tech or Baylor in January or February prevents us from getting ready for March. We have yet to find a way to balance those costs. Self does not believe in good losses as some other coaches atest. I agree with his philosophy.
Itās different this year though. Cunliffe is the only guy that doesnāt really play and I donāt think him playing some now makes this team better for March.
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Cunliffe can shoot. Shooters get hot. How many times have we fallen victim to a hot shooter in March who averages 5 or 6 points a game, then hits five threes against us? And yet we never seem to have that guy on our sideā¦ wonder why?
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We start 4 shootersā¦
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@justanotherfan A player just wants a chance to prove his worth. If a kid sees the writing on the wall then heās hoping for injuries or foul trouble for his teammates so he gets his chance. Get the kid in for several first half minutes and see if you can afford to let him back in the second half. Itās not like he couldnāt have played while later in the first half. We werenāt sharp anyway. How can a guy sit for a month and come in to save the game especially from a shooting standpoint?
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BShark said:
We start 4 shootersā¦
It seems more like 2-3. It doesnāt seem like Vick and Newman can get hot on the same night. Other nights, neither are hot. If we can get all 4 hot in a big game? Well, lock the door, mama!
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@BShark Garrett is a liability on Offense, his rebounding and D is solid but the kid just canāt score. Yesterday he even missed many FTs, almost cost us the game. One easy way to get Sam on the court is by giving some of MGās minutes to Sam.
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Self isnāt doing it though, for whatever reason. I kind of wonder if Cunliffe is going to transfer again.
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mayjay said:
@HighEliteMajor I was playing golf then. Since that time, I had to get a new hobby. My wife calls this āyour little basketball friends group.ā
Haha. Priceless. My wife says what are the buckets sayin? Lol
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BShark said:
Self isnāt doing it though, for whatever reason. I kind of wonder if Cunliffe is going to transfer again.
Me too buddy. - -I was talking with some friends , and they were trying to figure how the roster was going to shake out next year , like possibly Mitch red shirting and ya da ya da ya da - -ya know? - We got to talking about who might and who might not be back - -and with the way the depth is going to be , kind of agreed that Sam might get buried - -again not really see very few minutes . - - - Sometimes hard to transfer twice ā -seems like a really good kid to me itās just the depth at his spot - -he isnāt taking anyoneās spot/starting for sure right?
I mean he playin in the back court role -well look at the possibilities there if thatās where he is at. - -you look , you gonna have Moore , Dotson at the #1 - - You got Grimes and Garrett at the # 2 right? - -I seriously donāt believe - -well he is not going to play the point for sure so that leaves the # 2 and I think really good chance Grimes has that locked with Garrett relieving him some there.
Then if you go to the # 3 - -We land Langford - - then you would have Langford and a Lawson there whichever the one that would play the 3 KJ? - -is he the one cause doesnāt Dedric play the 4? - - and if Vick comes back then itās Vick & the Lawson so canāt really see him breaking through there either. - just a bad situation for him so if there are any transfers looks like he would probably be the most likely to me anyways. Mitch isnāt going anywhere he loves KU to much. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
Self isnāt doing it though, for whatever reason. I kind of wonder if Cunliffe is going to transfer again.
That would suck. Play not even half a season, transfer, sit a year, play half a season, transfer. Kids gotta stick it out sometime you would think. Iām sure its on his mind as he sits there and doesnāt play, everyone wants to play. If heās really bought in heāll stick around and work on his game. Iām sure heāll get a fresh slate this off-season to prove himself
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I hope he doesnāt to be clear. I mean how much would he have to hate it here to give up a year of eligibility and sit out again? Thatās pretty rough.
Iām interested to see how it all shakes out this off season.
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I hope that Cunliffeās camp realizes that he has all the potential in the world, mostly due to his athleticism. That if he sticks it out at KU, he will either be a starter or the 6th man at KU in two seasons. And, that his best path to the NBA or a high paying contract in Europe, is staying at KU. He trains with one of the top S&C coaches every day, in one of the best basketball facilities in the country, all while practicing against future professional players every single day. If he wants to transfer, he should really just redshirt next season here at KU, bust his ass and take advantage of the facilities, and then see if he would start or be a rotation player at KU two years from now. If he isnāt, he could grad transfer and play right away somewhere else. Iām sure at that point he would basically be forced out anyways.
Sam does have the option to transfer at year end though, because he didnāt use his redshirt this last transfer. I would not be surprised if that is the route he goes. I do not think it is his best option, as I mentioned above.
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Cunliffe certainly looks cryo iced.
Does he drive a Dodge Charger?
Self can change quickly though.
He could blow cold on Silvio againānot likely but a significant possibility, if the last gameās fouls and TOs habituate.
Mitch seemed to struggle a bit, too.
All non starters are on a micron thin bubble. None of them are shoe ins not to be recruited over. None of them are contributing enough to endure excessive fouls and TOs.
If their fouls and TOs trend up two games, their PT appears to decline.
Or an injury can happen.
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BShark said:
I hope he doesnāt to be clear. I mean how much would he have to hate it here to give up a year of eligibility and sit out again? Thatās pretty rough.
Iām interested to see how it all shakes out this off season.
He could end up being a graduate transfer if he never moves into the rotation or starts.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
BShark said:
I hope he doesnāt to be clear. I mean how much would he have to hate it here to give up a year of eligibility and sit out again? Thatās pretty rough.
Iām interested to see how it all shakes out this off season.
He could end up being a graduate transfer if he never moves into the rotation or starts.
Not eligible for it yet unless heās graduating 2 years earlyā¦
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Kcmatt7 said:
I hope that Cunliffeās camp realizes that he has all the potential in the world, mostly due to his athleticism. That if he sticks it out at KU, he will either be a starter or the 6th man at KU in two seasons. And, that his best path to the NBA or a high paying contract in Europe, is staying at KU. He trains with one of the top S&C coaches every day, in one of the best basketball facilities in the country, all while practicing against future professional players every single day. If he wants to transfer, he should really just redshirt next season here at KU, bust his ass and take advantage of the facilities, and then see if he would start or be a rotation player at KU two years from now. If he isnāt, he could grad transfer and play right away somewhere else. Iām sure at that point he would basically be forced out anyways.
Sam does have the option to transfer at year end though, because he didnāt use his redshirt this last transfer. I would not be surprised if that is the route he goes. I do not think it is his best option, as I mentioned above.
He would have to sit another year and lose another year of Eligibility. Sit one more to play 1 seasonā¦ Canāt see that being something they want to do but who knows weāve seen plenty of dumb choices
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@BShark I would have liked to have seen Sam get a few minutes against Baylor. I love how well Garrett plays defense and hustles, but he is becoming a liability on offense as teams no longer respect his shot (he seems to have no confidence in it either.
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At the end of the season we will have 3 years left of eligibility and 3 calendar years to complete them. At the end of the season he will have been in college 2 years, so, if he graduates in 4 years, that is 2 years after the season, he will gave 1 year of eligibility and 1 calendar year leftā¦like Coleby did
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JayHawkFanToo said:
At the end of the season we will have 3 years left of eligibility and 3 calendar years to complete them.
Iām not sure about this. Heard otherwise from other people and he is listed as a RS SO on KU athletics official site. Confusing tbh.
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@BeddieKU23 I didnāt think he used his redshirt on the transfer and just used the 1 year of eligibility.
But perhaps I was wrong. I guess his best options are basically stick it out and see if he can crack the rotation, or be a grad transfer.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
At the end of the season we will have 3 years left of eligibility and 3 calendar years to complete them. At the end of the season he will have been in college 2 years, so, if he graduates in 4 years, that is 2 years after the season, he will gave 1 year of eligibility and 1 calendar year leftā¦like Coleby did
I donāt believe thatās correct. Heās a Soph. currently. He didnāt finish a full year at ASU however lost his freshman status leaving and becoming eligible after the Fall semester this year.
Silvio is in the same camp. He lost his fall semester but is playing the spring and will be a Soph in the fall.
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@BeddieKU23 Yeah. With Silvio it doesnāt really matter at least, because I donāt think he stays more than 3 seasons (2 and a half in this case) tops. Plus this half year should really give him a leg up next year. Possibly getting him to be able to go pro if Self is able to land another killer haul in 19. As Silvio going pro is imo the only way possible to land JRE and Hurt.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Yeah. With Silvio it doesnāt really matter at least, because I donāt think he stays more than 3 seasons (2 and a half in this case) tops. Plus this half year should really give him a leg up next year. Possibly getting him to be able to go pro if Self is able to land another killer haul in 19. As Silvio going pro is imo the only way possible to land JRE and Hurt.
It sounds like Silvio and his camp want him in the NBA after next year. Weāll see whether he is good enough after next season to make that happen
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It does get very confusing. This link lists him just like Moore who after this season will have 3 years of eligibility and 3 calendar years.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I didnāt think he used his redshirt on the transfer and just used the 1 year of eligibility.
But perhaps I was wrong. I guess his best options are basically stick it out and see if he can crack the rotation, or be a grad transfer.
Iām not sure of the exact rules that apply to Cunliffe because transferring mid-season complicates things. I do know that when he transferred from ASU to KU he lost the remaining eligibility he had as a freshman. Sitting the required year per the transfer rules could technically not be considered a red-shirt. If KU had redshirted him for the spring semester of 2018 thereās a chance he would have had 3 years left to play 3 having sat 1 calendar year + another half semester. As it stands heāll go into 2018-19 year with 2 years to play 2 unless he was injured and applied for a medical waiver (something KJ Lawson received for example) or redshirted another full year either at KU or somewhere else.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
It does get very confusing. This link lists him just like Moore who after this season will have 3 years of eligibility and 3 calendar years.
Interesting. It is confusing.
If Sam had sat this semester out I believe that would have counted as a redshirt year (transfer year + half a semester). He could redshirt next season but that sounds silly to play half a season then red-shirt and have to sit another year out.
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As I understand it, after this season he will have completed one season of play (2 halves) and one of red shirt sitting (again, 2 halves) and used up 2 of the 5 calendar years, so he will have 3 years of eligibility and 3 calendar yearsā¦but I could be wrong.
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Just like cf did at WSU. Only 2 1/2 years left then
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Iād be bummed to watch a smaller freshman who canāt shoot 3s, FGs or PTs (Garrett) starting and getting 20 minutes a game while I sit on the bench, maybe to the point of leaving if I was Sam. Again, I donāt see practices, I guess Garrett is a better defender, and Iām not a coach, but sure seems we could find a guard who offers a bit more upside.
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StLJhawk said:
Iād be bummed to watch a smaller freshman who canāt shoot 3s, FGs or PTs (Garrett) starting and getting 20 minutes a game while I sit on the bench, maybe to the point of leaving if I was Sam. Again, I donāt see practices, I guess Garrett is a better defender, and Iām not a coach, but sure seems we could find a guard who offers a bit more upside.
From all that we hear the staff loves Marcus which we all know can play a big part in someone playing vs not playing. Continuing to invest minutes in him now seems like an investment in his and the teamās future. We rarely see him making mistakes turning the ball over, or being out of position defensively for a freshman.
He is shooting 57% from the field on 2ās, not all is lost for him there. I do agree though there are times especially recently where his lack of offensive ability is appearing to be a major weakness. Teams have scouted accordingly. Itās definitely a mental thing for him right now. All we can hope is he finds a way out of this
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Cunliffe averaged 25 mpg for a second tier ASU team and probably saw his time not increasing there. Unrealistic to think he would transfer to an elite program and expect equal or more time. No question that missing the fist part of the season where all the experimenting and tweaking is done hurt him, on the other hand, he was not particularly impressive in the Italian tour either.
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@JayHawkFanToo ASU wasnāt particularly good a year ago, but he started and averaged 25mpg/10ppg/5rbg as a freshman - thatās pretty decent production for a frosh at a Power 5 conference school. Not sure why is his mind it wouldnāt have been realistic to think he would start as a sophomore, or at least getting meaningful game time. I really, really doubt he would have transferred if he had any inkling that it would mostly be DNP - Coachās Decision. What is befuddling to me - acknowledging that I donāt see him in practice every day - is that a guy who scored in double digits in games against UNLV and Kentucky (albeit not efficiently) and seems to have some athleticism couldnāt be giving us some decent minutes off the bench, even if just a couple of minutes breather, or when one of the other 5 perimeter guys gets a couple of quick fouls or clearly doesnāt have their head in the gameā¦
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Not efficient and putting up numbers on a bad team are the key. His advanced numbers at ASU were truly awful. They are actually better this year at KU in his very limited time.
I would agree though that not playing at all is a bit odd.
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@DCHawker I agree totally. Wish somebody could ask coach.
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I think he will play soon but the focus now is getting Silvio into the mix. Room to involve Sam later.
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@mayjay yes, Iām quite happy to have us focus on Silvio now too. Still, I feel bad for Sam. Iāll stop whining about it though and trust Self to do the right thing.
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Jesse NewellāVerified account @jessenewell
Bill Self says Sam Cunliffe still has a lot to learn from a basketball standpoint. Self says he hasnāt performed well in his limited opportunities, both in games and practice.
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Poor Sam. The bench it is. Nothing to read from it
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BeddieKU23 said:
Poor Sam. The bench it is. Nothing to read from it
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Sam just got the worst review I have ever read Self reputedly give.
Has Self found another 5-star that wants to decommit, or transfer in?
Is the Jayhawk at center court big?
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jaybate 1.0 said:
Sam just got the worst review I have ever read Self reputedly give.
Has Self found another 5-star that wants to decommit, or transfer in?
Is the Jayhawk at center court big?
I already posted this on another KU site but Cunliffe just doesnāt strike me as the type that succeeds under Self. The fact that he had a film crew following him around during practice was a warning sign to me.
Plus as mentioned before his advanced stats on a really bad ASU team were not good. I think Self would rather have a hard working underrated 3* even. Jmo.
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Sam had what???
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@jaybate-1-0 If you end up getting your hands on a copy of Beyond the Streak by Jason King you will see many discussions regarding the value of Brady Morningstar. Not just from his teammates, and high praise from coach Self, but from those around the league who identified him as one of the toughest defenders in the league. The book also talks about Selbyās foot injury and how he never came back from that.
As far as what EJ and Releford could have done as sophomores against VCU, we will never definitively know. We do know for a fact, however, that they were key role players to a run at the NC in 2012 and then blew a 14 point lead in 8 Minutes against a Michigan team a year later as seniors. Experience usually helps, but it doesnāt guarantee anything in March.
