Grimes
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Could happen. Just posting what I’ve read about Grimes. I think KU would be his choice if he had to pick today. UK is more in it than the crystal ball suggests, that’s for sure.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 and Langford isn’t a risk?
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Kcmatt7 said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 and Langford isn’t a risk?
Langford did legit just LOVE Louisville. Grew up a huge fan. Went to their games, including football. He was their BMac if BMac had lived in like, Topeka. Point being, good chance he wasn’t paid.
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@jayballer54 keep it up and the FBI will be investigating you and your boy!
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@BShark I know your are buddy, and I’m not trying to act like some ass, I understand what your saying - -and maybe he could end up there , but like you I too am just going off what a lot of Kentucky people are saying also. - A lot of them feel like with the very decent chance of Green & G- Alexander returning and then Quickley coming in they just don’t see it as much as they would love to have him
I think more then anything what I was actually trying to bring out was that the way these aggorant shits come across was that OH well since Cal has offered him and recruiting him then it’s a done deal we got him and KU sucks and ya da - ya da - ya da, and they hinging so much on since slater or Daniels hasn’t made a pick yet that automatically thatwhen they do it’s going in Kentucky’s favor lmao - -why of course it is lol, not trying to say you are wrong by any means.
I dunno I just have a feeling about Grimes like I did McCormack remember? - -When I ha a little discussion with another poster here about McCormack, he was asking what I was basing why I thought McCormack ended up here? - If I was going off anything other then His statements that he had made about KU - cause the CB was not showing KU in the lead at all?- -Where did he end up landing? - - KU. Again the other guy and I apologize to him as I can’t remember who that was either but He actually was just as right about his thoughts as I was mine – but I just got that same kind of feeling
Hmmm let me go out on the branch here and say - - Again for some reason I’ve just got this feeling my gut is saying Grimes commits to KU. - -Just like with my boy Devon you know by now for sure how I feel on him - - this wrinkled up old man just feels that in the end - -We end up Getting Grimes and my boy Devon to commit with maybe a slight possibility of Zion - -but ehhhh wouldn’t hold my breath on that. Then again it might just be I overdosed on my meds and my Crimson and Blue Blinders and can’t see or think straight lol - -we can always hope lol - -I feel good about Dotson and Grimes - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Crimsonorblue22 LOL, well they can come on and investigate lol, I sure am in no position to pay my boy any monies lol to go to the Big Crimson & Blue hell couldn’t even afford to get him a car – maybe a Bike lol - But hey if Big Brother wants to come invest me on my Boy then come on - -hell I’ll even fix them some breakfast - little French Toast , Hash Browns , Sausage , Some Coffee , Juice it’s all good come one - -come all lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Kcmatt7 I don’t see him being the risk that Zion Williamson is. True or not, there were rumors that Adidas was going to funnel Zion to KU and pay him 100k to do so. No such rumors have popped up about Langford that I’m aware of.
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Hope you’re right. Remember the excitement around the recruiting class of Rush, Chalmers, Wright and Downs?
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I have an alternate theory. If Zion is squeaky clean, then KU might be the logical destination because there would not be anything seedy to uncover and would be vindicated. Now, if money was discussed or worse yet, delivered, then KU would want nothing to do with it.
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I still feel really good about Dotson (especially now that Florida is out) and Grimes. Grimes knows he’s a college 2 and wants to play with a good PG. And if we get Dotson we’ll have two. Both are looking to sign early too. I’m also pretty optimistic about getting one of Zion and Langford. I think both will sign late, so there’s plenty of time to make an impression, and they’ll be our only major targets.
Can we also talk about how insane it would be if we signed 10% of the top 40 in the early period? That’s a hell of a class right there.
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@JayHawkFanToo The story I read on Zion was that Adidas was paying him $100k to go to KU, but KU was unaware of that part of the story. The story came from a non KU site (don’t remember right now). It would explain KU kind of coming out of nowhere with Zion and fits the Adidas MO of funneling their top prep player to Adidas schools and signing them after college
This is a story I’m inclined to believe because the logic is sound and fits with what’s known about the case so far. As great a player as Zion Williamson is, I would be pursue anymore because if this story. I would focus solely on Langford as the prized wing in the class because his name has been nowhere to be found even in the whispers of who might be involved.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Some kid with a blog. I understand the apprehension but his word is no more relevant than that of Zion’s family and they deny it of course.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@JayHawkFanToo The story I read on Zion was that Adidas was paying him $100k to go to KU, but KU was unaware of that part of the story. The story came from a non KU site (don’t remember right now). It would explain KU kind of coming out of nowhere with Zion and fits the Adidas MO of funneling their top prep player to Adidas schools and signing them after college
This is a story I’m inclined to believe because the logic is sound and fits with what’s known about the case so far. As great a player as Zion Williamson is, I would be pursue anymore because if this story. I would focus solely on Langford as the prized wing in the class because his name has been nowhere to be found even in the whispers of who might be involved.
Ya I would have to agree with you about Zion I would love him here But - -man with things the way they are - - I agree I think I would have to take a pass and concentrate on Langford a little harder yet. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Why did KU pretty suddenly became a major player for him? For most of past year, Zion to KU was never considered a realistic possibility. Then a couple of months ago, everything changes and KU becomes the front runner almost overnight after being a total after for much of his recruitment and you see nothing suspicious about that in light of what’s happened in CBB this past week?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 it’s only been published on one site so far.
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@Kcmatt7 You can dismiss the story all you want, but then you’re still left with why KU suddenly went from after thought to front runner on Zion Williamson.
Doesn’t sound too far off from the DeAndre Ayton situation and we know he was paid to go Arizona after he was considered a lock to Kansas.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Where does it say Ayton was paid? Not saying he wasn’t…I’m sure he was.
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KUSTEVE said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Where does it say Ayton was paid? Not saying he wasn’t…I’m sure he was.
I Read off one of the wonderful UK threads the other day, that Ayton had gotten paid 500,000 well his parents and already spent. - -ROCK CHALK ALL ADY LONG BABY
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Not a valid source.
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@jayballer54 why do you spend so much time on kentucky sites
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3genhawk said:
@jayballer54 why do you spend so much time on kentucky sites
Lmao, Well really if you truly wanna know - cause I’m a fricken junkie I’ll pick up tidbits from anywhere I can I live on College Basketball.
I look at UK because actually they are one of the truly informational sites - -instead of hearing about who is doing what laundry - -I get to read about basketball , Basketball recruiting , - -I also when I need some laughs I hit their sit up - some of these clowns are really funny.
I look at Maryland Sites , Florida sites , Arizona sites , Indiana Sites , Louisville sites , Duke sites , N Carolina sites , K-State sites , West Virginia sites , - Any where I can pick up any information on any KU Recruit , - I already got kicked off the Kentucky site under one name for talking smack with them - but it’s ok - just went in under different name I eat , sleep, and Dream College Basketball. I’m tatted up with KU emblems - the Jayhawk what have you. - My man cave is loaded up with KU.
But the biggest reason I am on other sites I think. - - I think the reason I do it is so People like you will ask me why I spend so much time on the Kentucky site. -roflmao - -you have yourself a great night. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 awesome! I really dig the investigative work on other fan sites. Thanks for doing the dirty work. Lol @ getting kicked off the UK site for trolling.
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approxinfinity said:
@jayballer54 awesome! I really dig the investigative work on other fan sites. Thanks for doing the dirty work. Lol @ getting kicked off the UK site for trolling. Ya guess they didn’t like it to much when someone talked some grief about their blessed program. All I know I went to check it out one day and it say I was banned lmao. - -NO - - -BIGGIE – different profile name - - different E- Mail address - -and presto back in lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 sorry for asking. I’m glad you check out all those sites. I like to spend my time with family and friends away from the computer.
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@3genhawk And you should, My wife does her thing & I do mine & we do together soooo it’s all Apples and Oranges. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@3genhawk apparently not all of it.
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@Kcmatt7 YES - - -ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ROFLMFAO. ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF IT. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@KUSTEVE Considering an Arizona coach was one of the people that has actually been charged so far for paying players, it’s not difficult to figure out who thise players are.
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You posit a valid theory but much like mine is still a theory since we really don’t know what transpired during the recruiting process…at least not yet. Of ourse, if he ends up playing overseas the answer will be obvious.
I don’t recall who was considered the front runner before KU became the favorite but, is it possible that it happened because his ascent to the top of the charts made him more appealing to elite programs? I honestly don’t recall if he was always at or near the top or if happened due to excellent off-season/AAU play like many other largely unknown players, whom a good AAU run catapulted them in the rankings.
Back to my original premise, if Zion and/or family did not do anything wrong, i.e. received money or other unapproved benefits that would affect his eligibility, wouldn’t KU be the logical destination since, considering all the sure scrutiny to follow, it would send a clear message that the allegations were false? Just thinking aloud.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree with your theory. Hopefully, it can be proven.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 KU has been in his recruitment sense it started. By your theory of using articles with no sources then KU shouldn’t recruit inside the top 50 ever because they all have a risk of taking money and being targeted by agents. There are plenty of articles that say that. And Adidas could steer Zion without paying him. They could simply be saying, here is your future endorsement deal if you go to an Adidas school. That’s not illegal. To make assumptions with no facts is dumb right now. That author very clearly wrote that article to get clicks. No validity to it. I still expect Adidas to try to funnel kids to KU. Just to do it within the boundary of the laws in our country.
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@Kcmatt7 Hold on now … I could argue that promising a future monetary benefit in violation of NCAA rules, as you suggest, in return for signing with a particular school (and thus not with others) could be corruption and fraud. What’s the difference between putting the money in their hands now, vs. later? If that was reasonable, then boosters could promise say $100,000 once a player left or graduated. It’s the same thing. A “bribe” is a bribe. You would be denying schools that receive federal funding from the chance to sign the player, based on the improper benefit/bribe. Further you would be giving the innocent player corrupted advice and counsel.
Just showing how strained this whole prosecution is, in my opinion.
And why aren’t the players being charged? They know the rules and are participating in this criminal conspiracy, right?
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@Kcmatt7 Adidas funneling kids to schools regardless of money changing hands is still against NCAA rules. This is why none of the players in the report are being charged because they didn’t do anything illegal in the eyes of the law when they accepted payments. Accepting those payments is still against NCAA rules and makes them ineligible according to the rules of the NCAA.
I can legally accept gifts at my job all day long and the FBI and DOJ aren’t going to care one bit about that. My contract with my employer however does not permit me to do so or I risk losing my job.
In regards to Zion, I never said KU wasn’t recruiting him from the beginning, only that KU didn’t become a realistic landing spot for him until very recently.
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The NCAA is a bullshit organization. Love love love love the article @HighEliteMajor posted in the other thread.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Or is it possible he just didn’t really consider KU until KU moved him higher on their board? The staff put in a ton of work this summer watching him and making it known Zion was a priority. Could it be that Zion just liked what he heard?
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@FarmerJayhawk And KU didn’t put in work on him prior to this summer? I seriously doubt the coaches were changing their pitch to him that much because there isn’t that much you can tell a top 5 player that every other program isn’t telling him as well.
Something happened with Zion and I doubt a change in the recruiting pitch made that big if a difference in his recruitment.
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@HighEliteMajor A promise is not a bribe. Both parties could still opt out at any point during the process. If telling someone their potential is illegal, any type of recruiting would be illegal.
The second money changes hands, the criminal act was comitted.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 And why was KU never a realistic option? Did Zion ever say he wasn’t interested in KU? Nobody knows what is going on behind closed doors. It has seemed very much like a normal recruitment so far. Most of the speculation has been tied to the package deal with him to UK. Duke and UK are also both recruiting other wings that would be used the same way as Zion will so why go there and potentially not be featured? Makes way more sense for Zion to go to the place where he will be THE man no matter what. And Bill has done a phenomenal job showcasing wings. Just like Wiggins, of course Adidas has made it clear they want to sign Zion and for him to go to an Adidas school. Doesn’t mean money changed hands.
And, it isn’t against NCAA rules. It is Adidas hiring an employee. And implicating to them they are more likely to get the job if they go to x schools. Adidas isn’t literally paying them to go to the school. Adidas is paying them for future services. Very clear difference than being paid to go to x school.
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@Kcmatt7 Zion is the best wing in the class, he’ll be the featured player wherever goes regardless if it’s Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, or anywhere else.
And yes, Adidas was paying players to go to specific schools. Part of the condition for Brian Bowen receiving the money he did was that he went to Louisville. Nas Little was in a bidding war between Nike Arizona and Adidas Miami that Nike was going to win. It doesn’t matter where the money is coming from whether it be an assistant coach or ShoeCo, those players accepted payments which is a violation of NCAA rules and why any player in that DOJ/FBI report will never play college basketball. It also doesn’t matter where the money was coming from because it was all going for the same cause in the end. Player takes money from ShoeCo, ShoeCo tells player where to go and who to represent him after college and what shoe to wear. Assistant coach pays player to come to gets in school, assistant coach tells player who to represent him after college and what shoe to wear after college.
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@Kcmatt7 Actually, bribery law provides that “promises” or “promising” is an act of bribery. Federal link first, Kansas link second. However the scenario we’re talking about isn’t bribery. The issue I was referring to is the claim of fraud/corruption in dealing with violation of NCAA rules, with the legal hook being universities receiving federal funds. Even then, I agree with you … it is not, and should, not be illegal.
Why should a private company not be able to pay an independent actor to further its self interests?
Simply because it violates a private organizations “rules” is a big “who cares.”
My post was more one to demonstrate the absurdity of what the Feds are doing in the current situation, and to show that one could extrapolate illegality even further.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/201
https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/kansas/ks-statutes/kansas_statutes_21-6001
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Not what I said. You didn’t understand my post.
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@HighEliteMajor It’s a fair point, but it could be an argument that it effects another Private organization financially. Essentially, one private organization is corrupting another. If I hired someone to intentionally screw over another organization, that would be corruption. Now I don’t know that the NCAA is getting screwed, but it could be argued. I see what you are saying. I just think the Feds typically charge people when they know they are going to win. Especially something this public. You can’t charge people on shaky legal grounds. That would look really, really bad. Not to mention, precedence is already set. There has been someone already sent to prison for this.
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I agree with you in principle with what you are saying but not knowing everything that transpired is hard to see it one way or another. There well could be another level of corruption they have not disclosed that they are saving to use as leverage.
I believe the links you provided refer to public employees and I am not sure many or any of the participants qualify as such.
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@JayHawkFanToo I don’t think bribery applies to the scenario he had mentioned. And as far as public employees, we know our coaches are public employees. More demonstrative.
I just think this whole thing will be interesting to see develop. And @Kcmatt7, I can assure that prosecutors can and do charge folks on “shaky legal grounds.” That’s what’s called prosecutorial discretion. Charging does not mean winning … many times defendants get their cases dismissed on legal grounds.
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Sorry, I meant to say Public “Officials” not Public “Employees.” KU coaches might be public employees but not necessarily public officials. In any case, under your theory, coaches at private schools would no be subject to the law since they are not Public Officials or Employees, right? This would no make any sense, right?..not that any of it makes sense at this time.
Prosecutors bring charges for shaky cases all the time; I understand it gives them additional resources that migh not be available otherwise.
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@JayHawkFanToo If you look at the bottom of the KS statute, it includes “public employees” under the definition of public officials. Didn’t see that though in the Fed statute though. Just FYI.
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A quick search appears to indicate the Federal government and 29 states make a clear distinction between public official and public employee, the rest have various levels of distinction between the two.
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@JayHawkFanToo All too often, unfortunately, we manage to get (federal and state) people who use these positions to become public embarrassments. We need a statute for that.
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So… this thread is titled “Grimes”?
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@RockkChalkk ya
- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY OLONG BABY
