Whiff City
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The real problem is Turge would still be coaching this theoretical fab five.
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I just want Grimes. This is where I’m at with it. Then find some random guard to fill the roster.
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BShark said:
I just want Grimes. This is where I’m at with it. Then find some random guard to fill the roster.
Agreed, the more this process has played out Grimes is the real cornerstone to the class. If we miss on him, its time for some shakeup in the assistant ranks
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@BeddieKU23 Who goes? Howard landed McCormack. Towns was the lead on De Sousa. Norm was the lead on Dotson, but Norm isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
At least our coaches aren’t getting popped for something like this.
Also, @jaybate-1-0 proof that brands do in fact pay high schoolers. Adidas rep caught paying $100k to a kid so he signs with Adidas. On the bright side, at least Adidas is trying. Just clearly not as good at is as Nike. Although, 3 of the coaches arrested were Nike schools… So maybe not.
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I don’t see how Maryland lands any sort of “fab five”. Maybe a “kinda okay five”, but that doesn’t have the same ring to it.
The original Fab Five were ranked the following: #1 (Chris Webber), #3 (Juwan Howard), #5 (Jalen Rose), #9 (Jimmy King) and #84 (Ray Jackson). Some services had Jackson ranked higher than that - perhaps in the 30s. Either way, to equal that, Maryland would need 3 guys in the top 5 and four in the top 10, plus another from the top 100.
Here are the top players in the class that are undeclared right now:
- RJ Barrett (not considering Maryland)
- Zion Williamson (considering Maryland, but Terps are not considered a frontrunner)
- Cam Reddish already signed to Duke
- Bol Bol (not considering Maryland)
- Romeo Langford (not considering Maryland)
- Simisola Shittu (not considering Maryland)
- Keldon Johnson (not considering Maryland)
The rest of the top 10 is already committed.
Maryland has two commitments so far - Jalen Smith, the #15 player in the country, and Aaron Wiggins, the #39 player in the country. The only other five star considering Maryland is Moses Brown, the #17 player. Dotson is ranked 26. Weaver and Nembhard are in the 40s. Jarius Hamilton is in the 50s. Noah Locke is 64. Eric Ayala is 91. If they got their best possible group (Smith, Wiggins, Brown, Dotson and Weaver), we are still talking about guys ranked 15, 17, 26, 39 and 42. Not exactly the “Fab Five.”
It bugs me when teams sign five ranked guys and then want to call it the “Fab Five”. If you don’t sign at least three top 10 guys, those words shouldn’t be coming out of your mouth. Maryland does not have a Fab Five class. They just have a class that might end up with five guys in it.
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Bugs me too.
That’s why I said whatever water they are drinking, I politely decline.
FYI Johnson visits Maryland this weekend…
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@BeddieKU23 Lol that’s funny, I think to a degree this is the way it is on almost everyone’s board isn’t it? - -some obviously worse then others right? - -lol - -what board was this insane talk on- fill me in I wanna see lol - -is it a premium board or free let me know I love reading this kind of stuff . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAB
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@BeddieKU23 Aren’t these the same delusional people that thought once they got the supposedly most talented Pg Melo Trimble didn’t they think he was the 2nd coming and thought guaraunteed NC with him at the leadership? - -This should be fun lmao. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Honestly I don’t know who goes and I wouldn’t want to make that decision but Townsend/Roberts are not getting any younger.
I feel there is value to Howard that he’s starting to find that he relates to this younger generation (Newman, McCormack among others).
I just view it was as unacceptable if we can’t close on the guy who’s got so many things pointing in KU’s direction.
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Not sure its free but its the Maryland board on 247.
Trimble was a very good College PG. If they thought he was the 2nd coming of something they just had unrealistic expectations. Even KU is guilty of that.
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Welp read from the Maryland site about if they get Dotson the fab five - -So it’s a done deal guys, just mail the NC to Maryland lmao - -anyone up for a game of Badminton lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Welp read from the Maryland site about if they get Dotson the fab five - -So it’s a done deal guys, just mail the NC to Maryland lmao - -anyone up for a game of Badminton lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
What about pin the tail on the donkey?
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BeddieKU23 said:
Not sure its free but its the Maryland board on 247.
Trimble was a very good College PG. If they thought he was the 2nd coming of something they just had unrealistic expectations. Even KU is guilty of that.
Ya I just got through reading off there 247 - your right - actually pretty amusing. welp might just as well cancel the season -Maryland has the NC wrapped up now - -you play badminton or maybe Croquet lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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According to ESPN we only have 4 games this year, must have been in response to the Fab Five coming to Maryland.
Hopefully we are tournament ready…
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
Welp read from the Maryland site about if they get Dotson the fab five - -So it’s a done deal guys, just mail the NC to Maryland lmao - -anyone up for a game of Badminton lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
What about pin the tail on the donkey?
Sure that’s a fu game. - -hope we can make it a team sport lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 WOW - -really short season, got a shotof going in-defeated though. - -what ya think? - -wonder how many games Maryland has? lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Maryland has a full schedule of course.
Yeah maybe we should print those 10-0 shirts early…
Going to need that badminton league going to fill the gaps… That last game in January is going to leave both the players and fans a little rusty
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@BeddieKU23 @jayballer54 Pin the tail on the turtle.
Incidentally, UMd people who are so excited seem to forget that the original Fab 5 did not ever win a NC, and eventually the school was put on probation for NCAA violations. Sure, go for it, Maryland! (To be fair, I don’t see Turgeon as countenancing anything bad, but as Coach Calimari knows, you can get into all types of trouble when players feel entitled to cheat.)
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Self and Howard checking in with Grimes today. Yeeeehaw.
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This is two visits within a week. Wonder if we are trying to close here.
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BShark said:
This is two visits within a week. Wonder if we are trying to close here.
would be greeeattt ( frosted flakes voice)
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@BShark and Dotson.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@BShark and Dotson.
Busy busy busy. Would love to see some early guard commits.
If I were advising a recruit right now, I would say “no early commits anywhere”.
Way too much uncertainty about what schools will be allowed to compete in which games with which players and which coaches.
Not to mention these top recruits may already have accepted money and are waiting for the badges to knock on their doors…
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@ParisHawk Very fair point.
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If we are clean, our pastures: green.
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@approxinfinity Was just going to say that. If somehow we get out of this completely unscathed, lookout.
With Pitino being fired, I’d have to say the Romeo sweepstakes are going to heat up. KU would have to look like the favorite at this point I would think.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@approxinfinity Was just going to say that. If somehow we get out of this completely unscathed, lookout.
With Pitino being fired, I’d have to say the Romeo sweepstakes are going to heat up. KU would have to look like the favorite at this point I would think.
Sounding like Romeo will be a spring time decision, lots of people saying that now. Would make sense. See how rosters shape up, if any other programs get murdered by the FBI etc…
Dotson should decide within the next week or so.
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I would agree with most of what’s in that article. I would probably go a step further and start talking to Grimes about playing in the backcourt with Langford. There’s a video of a shooting contest between Grimes and Langford on youtube. Langford’s stroke is much cleaner - it’s also notable that he’s at least an inch or so taller than Grimes, which matches up with the reports that Grimes is 6-4ish, while Langford is between 6-5 and 6-6.
Grimes’ best future is playing on the ball. If he’s a wing player, he’s a dime a dozen at the next level. At 6-4, he’s a big PG that could be a game changer. It all depends on whether Grimes wants to peak as a very good college player, or as a very good NBA player.
If Grimes and Langford both come to KU, look out. I didn’t really have Langford on the radar because he was headed to Louisville, but if he flips, this whole investigation could really turn college hoops on its ear because there could be more changes coming.
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EJ Montgomery has decommitted from Auburn. No surprise there. KU is fine on bigs, provided De Sousa isn’t caught up in this mess. Some shady coach is involved with De Sousa. It’s not the guy he visited KU with but he did move from Monteverde to IMG with this coach.
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The Grimes/Langford duo is a game changer at KU if it happens. Langford has some things he needs to clean up effort wise and defensively. Lots of stuff out there that the game is just so easy for him at this point and he’s bored. Self would definitely change that quickly.
I’ve long maintained Self needs to land these type of guys to compete next year. Some combination of Dotson, Grimes, Langford at guard to go with the transfers and 2 big men we have on board is a dynamite reload
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Is it illegal for a recruit to receive money? As long as he pays taxes on the money it is likely not illegal. Of course he would no longer be able to play college sports but other than that I am not sure there are any other consequences. A cash payment made to a third or fourth or fifth party might be difficult to trace.
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BeddieKU23 said:
The Grimes/Langford duo is a game changer at KU if it happens. Langford has some things he needs to clean up effort wise and defensively. Lots of stuff out there that the game is just so easy for him at this point and he’s bored. Self would definitely change that quickly.
I’ve long maintained Self needs to land these type of guys to compete next year. Some combination of Dotson, Grimes, Langford at guard to go with the transfers and 2 big men we have on board is a dynamite reload
Buckets would rain from the sky.
Also, a defensive line-up of Grimes/Garrett/Langford/SDS/McCormack would be pretty good. And by pretty good I mean stifling. SARAN WRAP. Now I do think Dedric will start, but say you NEED a stop and the other team has taken a timeout, I’d say you go to this line-up.
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@BShark Think through this with me. Who are the recruits we should actually be worried about?
Guys that were possibly affected:
- Oubre - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were UK and KU
- Diallo - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were UK and KU
- Doke - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were KU, FSU and UNC
- Embiid - Not sure who he was recruited by. Down to UVA and UT. Not so worried about him.
- Wiggins - Recruited by Townsend - Finalists FSU and UK
- Bragg - Recruited by Norm - Finalists were UK and KU
- Jackson - Recruited by Townsend - Finalists MSU, Ariz.
- Cliff - Recruited by Snacks - Finalists Illinois and Depaul
Looking at this, I’m less worried. Cliff’s mom took out a loan. Doesn’t seem likely they got paid. If KU were in a bidding war, looks like UK would also be involved in many of these.
If anything, this was Self knowing that Adidas would take care of him without any contact from his staff to Adidas. A sort of unspoken agreement. Bill would do his part, and Adidas would do theirs with no contact necessary.
On a side not, Towns can close top 5 kids and Norm has kicked UK’s ass lately.
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@Kcmatt7 I’m more worried about recruits KU missed out on, but was potentially in a bidding war for. Now if by some miracle KU wasn’t offering to pay Ayton, Tarc etc…and it’s AZ’s money that pulled them to AZ then…well fuck AZ and good for KU…
On some level all the African players worry me a little bit because there is no doubt they have/had sleazy people around them.
Kcmatt7 said:
If anything, this was Self knowing that Adidas would take care of him without any contact from his staff to Adidas. A sort of unspoken agreement. Bill would do his part, and Adidas would do theirs with no contact necessary.
This would be an excellent scenario for KU.
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@BShark I’m far less worried now that I know we lost the recruits. It was always a weird thought how Arizona was able to keep up on the recruiting trail with KU, UCLA, UK and Duke.
I’m fairly confident that Bill was smart enough to have 1000 degrees of separation from the Adidas reps. And to make sure that his assistants knew not to even talk to them. I’m not saying that Adidas wasn’t trying to pay players to go to KU, but Bill probably didn’t know which ones were up for sale. At least, that is what it looks like at the moment.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I’m far less worried now that I know we lost the recruits. It was always a weird thought how Arizona was able to keep up on the recruiting trail with KU, UCLA, UK and Duke.
I’m fairly confident that Bill was smart enough to have 1000 degrees of separation from the Adidas reps. And to make sure that his assistants knew not to even talk to them. I’m not saying that Adidas wasn’t trying to pay players to go to KU, but Bill probably didn’t know which ones were up for sale. At least, that is what it looks like at the moment.
Something that I think bodes well for KU is that it’s not like every kid that goes pro after being at KU signs with Adidas. In fact, far from it.
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@BShark I think we have such a great recruiting pitch by itself, I don’t know why we would even think about getting caught up in it.
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In a phone conversation recorded by the FBI, Dawkins told Sood and an undercover agent that “the path to securing commitments from college athletes was through assistant coaches…because ‘the head coach…ain’t willing to (take bribes) cause they’re making too much money. And it’s too risky,’” the complaint says.
Odds are very good Bill isn’t involved in this. And out assistants get paid very well and have bright futures. Not worth $20k. The more I read, the more I feel better.
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Gregg Doyle, formerly of CBS (I think), and now in Indianapolis is reporting that Romeo Langford is down to either Indiana or Kansas. I’m assuming the Louisville situation has convinced him otherwise because wasn’t Louisville the assumed destination for Langford for a long time?
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Yup. Langford also set up his official visit for Oct 27th
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Is it illegal for a recruit to receive money? As long as he pays taxes on the money it is likely not illegal. Of course he would no longer be able to play college sports but other than that I am not sure there are any other consequences. A cash payment made to a third or fourth or fifth party might be difficult to trace.
“Badge at the door” doesn’t necessarily mean being arrested, but being interviewed / investigated / obliged to testify, yes.
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Did not mean to imply an arrest. They can be invited to testify but unless they have leverage, I am not sure they could force them to testify and even then, all they have to do is take the fifth…just sayin’…
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@ParisHawk Do scholarship players have to fill out financial aid forms, even pro forma? I had to (and my annoyed Dad did, also) to receive a minimal $100 honorary scholarship even tho we were not asking for anything needs-based.
If so, maybe there could be charges for unreported assets–if federal or state, unsure.
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@JayHawkFanToo I don’t mean to argue with what you say. My main point was simply that recruits have more reasons than usual to keep a low profile and commit when and if the smoke clears.
That can be true whatever the legal risks.
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Just kind of curious. Wouldn’t you think that with everything that is going on right now with this FBI investigation on the corruption and fraud wouldn’t you think that recruits would have more of a tendency to wait until spring before committing? I mean one reason would be to see what Schools had took a hit in this thing and then another just to see what players had been effected and /or what players were going to return. - -I think this might slow down the commits until the spring period - maybe that is just me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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It could happen. Maybe you see some guys hold out to see the fallout. It all depends on what those kids feel like doing. If any of them are scared the schools they are considering are at risk of getting in trouble I would definitely back off from any immediate plans.
If I was the two kids committed to Arizona I would definitely be looking at my options closely. There is no telling what the fall out for Sean Miller and the program will be with all those allegations they are facing. An Assistant coach is fired, one recruit was paid, at least 1 current player was paid. I wouldn’t be making travel arrangements for Tuscon anytime soon if I was them. The same goes for USC. They have signed what 3-4 Top 100 kids and if any of them were recruited by the assistant I’d be looking elsewhere.
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If it gets any bigger, the NCAA might allow individual to transfer from schools caught in the net; heck, it might allow all recruits with signed LOI to reconsider their destinations. We might end up with a reboot of the entire 2018 class recruiting.
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@BeddieKU23 Ya those are my train of thoughts on this exactly. - -That’s why I am wondering if that’s what we will see, a lot of these kids might just hit the brakes until spring to see what schools take a hit from this. - -Hmmm I wonder what Ayton is thinking? - -I’ve read where his family took 500, 000 and already spent it. - -If this is True then I would think that his amateur status took a SERIOUS hit/ - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
